Of course I remember, because I convincingly showed how it cannot possibly be Legionaires Disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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Of course I remember, because I convincingly showed how it cannot possibly be Legionaires Disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
JHFC Those Thai health jack- offsters are about as moronic as can be. The rods are plutonium. Pot iodine ain' t gonna do squat piss against those slag piles burning holes through the planet.
Well OK, maybe you won't get thyroid cancer but when every cell in your body has been reaaranged on an atomic level a la The Fly, you really won't notice.
Harry B I have to concur with GiT, Legionaire is a respiratory pathogen.
Maybe he doth protest too much?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
^Yes, you are correct. Please start at beginning of this thread and read it in its entirety to see references to Phi Phi deaths as well as links to separate thread discussing Phi Phi deaths in detail.
I never know whether to post stuff like this or not. Does it fall into the category of gossip or rumor or ?
One of the women who passed away had checked into my friend's guesthouse. The woman didn't spend the night because she was already ill when she arrived and went to the hospital shortly after.
Since that time doctors have been to the guesthouse on four occasions, inspecting, taking swabs from different places, and taking blood samples from the owner and workers.
They told her that they suspect this is a new virus and are hoping to find a sample. They do not know how it is being spread.
All viruses so far put forth by authorities as being possible causes have been shown in this thread to be wild goose chases.
OPINION:
Thai officials need to do better
Last updated 05:00 28/03/2011
The circumstances surrounding the death of New Zealander Sarah
Carter in Chiang Mai is every parent's nightmare. Young and full of promise, Miss Carter headed off on holiday with two friends to Thailand. She became ill while staying at the Downtown Inn, and died a day later.
That nightmare has only been made worse by the initial response from Thailand.
No plausible explanation has been provided for her death, and the Thais' initial response seemed aimed more at protecting the local tourism industry and the reputation of the hotel than at shedding any light on a death that was as perplexing as it was tragic.
Miss Carter's two friends, Emma Langlands and Amanda Eliason, also became sick. Altogether seven people appear to have died in Chiang Mai in similar circumstances, five of them with links to the Downtown Inn.
That should have triggered alarm bells in Thailand. It did not.
Instead Thai officials, including the Governor of Chiang Mai, Pannada Disakul, tried to play down the deaths. At a news conference, the governor said: "We have to admit that these deaths, coming one after another, are nothing more than coincidence."
He clearly had no reasonable basis for saying that, with investigations into what caused the deaths still under way. That is why it is hard to avoid assuming that his comments – which echoed those of the hotel manager – were designed more to reassure potential tourists than to throw any real light on what happened to Miss Carter and the others.
Certainly that is what the parents of the New Zealand women involved believe. Understandably, they fear there is a conspiracy of silence, and an attempt to whitewash what happened.
That cannot be allowed to happen. Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully has done the right thing so far in being as direct as he could be within the conventions of diplomatic language.
By publicly saying the early Thai explanations were "unconvincing" he was sending a signal that the New Zealand Government was taking an interest in the matter and that the Thais needed to do better.
The message was underlined by the advisory that the Foreign Affairs Ministry has issued, telling New Zealanders thinking of travelling to Chiang Mai that despite Thai assertions it is safe "in light of the lack of any clear explanation of the recent deaths, it is up to individual travellers themselves to determine the risks of travelling there".The message seems to have been heard. There are signs that information is flowing more easily as work continues to find out what caused the deaths, including laboratory tests overseas.
It is now up to Mr McCully and his officials to maintain the pressure, and ensure the Thais understand the issue is not going to go away till a full – and credible – explanation is provided.
Those grieving Miss Carter's death deserve nothing less.
- The Dominion Post
Thai officials need to do better | Stuff.co.nz
I am not trying to defend the Governor up there BUT to be fair, the,
" ...coincidence.., " statement was made when there were 4 deaths discovered.
And I still believe he was referring to the Thai woman's death as the coincidence, not all of the deaths.
Or he misspoke. We all know Thais that speak English well but on occasion really screw it up so I think benefit of the doubt is worth it.
Obviously the authorities know they have a cluster of deaths and are not saying otherwise.
Is any info about these deaths getting to the general Thai public in Chiang Mai?
If our poisoner gets wind of it, he may stop - or maybe realize his harmless prank is killing people who have pre existing conditions.
Ms Kit do you have a name or nationality of that sick woman tourist?? Symptoms?
There's a bit more bad publicity and maybe you can go there to mention the other deaths. I'm sure they'll be interested to hear.Quote:
The parents of a New Zealand woman who died in mysterious circumstances while on holiday in Thailand are setting up a website to make others aware of the "very real dangers" in the Southeast Asian nation....
...Her mother, Anna Carter, said she was no closer to finding out what killed her daughter.
"Initially I believed it to be an infection, that maybe there was a staff member there (at the Downtown Inn) who had the virus. But of course they haven't tested any of the staff members and, if they did, and they found it, then they haven't made that available to us," she told Campbell Live.
Ms Carter said she and her husband were launching the website thailandtraveltragedies.com to list all fatalities and serious illness of visitors to Thailand, as well as providing health and safety advice.
"Its intention is to make all travellers to Thailand more aware of the very real dangers they face in a country which appears a tropical paradise on the surface but in fact has very low health and safety standards and an undercurrent of drug and human rights crimes covered up from exposure to the rest of the world," the website said.
The Carters invited all travellers to Thailand to post their own experiences when the website launches in the next few weeks.
As far as I'm aware they know about all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan B
We can add the 90 passengers on 1-2 GO that died as a result of Thai inability to regulate its airline industry.
Parents seek answers in Thailand death
Tue, 29 Mar 2011 7:00p.m.
It has been nearly two months since the death of Sarah Carter in Thailand and her parents are still searching for answers.
On February 2, Sarah Carter, Amanda Eliason and Emma Langlands flew in to Thailand on the final leg of their big OE.
They checked in at the Downtown Inn and shared a room - room 518.
On their first night a woman across the corridor in room 516 died in her bathroom
She was victim number four.
Victim number one was a French woman who died mysteriously on January 4. It is reported she used the Downtown Inn facilities.
A week later Soraya Pandola died. She did not stay or visit the Downtown Inn but her husband says her death was identical to Carters.
A fortnight on, Canadian tourist Bill Mah died. He had used the swimming pool at the Downtown Inn.
Sarah Carter was number five, she died on February 6.
Victims six and seven are Eileen and George Everitt. They died a week later and stayed in a room underneath Sarah Carter's room.
So what killed these people? Thai authorities say the deaths are not linked but five of the families involved say they are.
Campbell Live talks to Sarah Carters mother who travelled to Thailand to get answers.
Parents seek answers in Thailand death - Campbell Live - Video - 3 News
It makes sense they are linked.
'Thailand tragedies' website started - Newstalk ZB
'Thailand tragedies' website started
30/03/2011 11:32:01
The parents of a woman who died mysteriously in Thailand have set up a website to warn people of the very real dangers of visiting the country.
23-year-old Sarah Carter got sick at the Downtown Inn in Chiang Mai and died of heart inflammation the next day. Six other people have also died in similar circumstances.
Her father Richard Carter says the website thailandtraveltragedies.com has been set up because of the cover-ups the family has experienced in Thailand.
"All travellers from New Zealand and even from any other countries who have experienced a disaster in the way of severe food poisoning or even fatalities to list their experiences," he told Newstalk ZB.
Richard Carter says the website will go live in 7 to 10 days.
It was the French woman. I didn't ask about her symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPPA
I haven't found many locals who know about this. The ones who have heard about these deaths are people who live downtown and are around tourist. They are very afraid of becoming ill.
Thailand holiday fatalities & serious illness cases | Sarah Carter New ZealandQuote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
PS
That link is a sign up page for notification when site goes up. Under development I would say.
Miss Kit,
One patient a women traveled with another person,- not ill, was reported by DDC Bulletin "sick before arrival," was it her?
Ask, please ? Name , sex of companion ??
Sounds important if it is a valid source.
Search for why it is happening. Not how.
I think this poison cluster is over. All the known cases were well over a month ago. I wonder of Mah was gay, men who kill women usually hate gays, too. ( er, unless they're gay, then they really, really hate em..)
While it may be an annoyance, it will be largely ignored by the Thai authorities. As for the parents and their trips over here trying to get media attention - the Thai media will ignore them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
Recall Leo Del Pinto story and the father coming here or the British parents of the girl killed in Kanchanaburi by the cop (ran her and boyfriend down with a pickup) then shot them.
Or any number of Burmese, Khmer and Laotians who are routinely beaten, raped and murdered here. We usually hear about these from foreign media. Only occasionally do these stories ever get reported in the mainstream Thai national media (though more so lately - especially migrant worker abuses).
Well a few snippets from recent weeks:
(1) The Downtown (a.k.a. DoomTown) Inn is virtually empty. When I went in for a chat about making a booking, and mentioned it, they all scurried away like rabbits and claimed they knew nothing about the situation, obviously all under orders.
(2) The regular Taxi drivers parked between the hotel and the cultural centre were all very depressed, business is virtually non-existent. My suggestion that they'd make more with an ambulance than a taxi sadly did not tickle their ribs.
(3) Some enterprising seppo pulled up alongside me as I walked past one day, and ask me if I was staying in the hotel. Seems he makes a habit of informing tourists of the situation. I congratulated him for his efforts.
(4) Looking for somewhere else to stay, I jokingly mentioned to the manager of a nearby hotel that I was looking for an alternative to the DoomTown, and she berated me for believing "what they put in the news". When I said to her "So Mayor owns this hotel as well?" with a big grin, she laughed and said "Oh, you know Chiang Mai good". It was the River View Lodge. Won't be staying there either.
(5) Kalare Food Court was completely empty every time I went through it.
Otherwise, the silence is deafening.
The 'Thailand Tragedies' website is 'open for business'
From the site:
This website has been set up to list all occurrences of fatalities or serious illness contracted while visiting Thailand.
The idea for this site originated from the circumstances surrounding the mysterious passing of Sarah Carter, a healthy, intelligent and sensible person who took all available precautions in terms of injections & tablets, and yet came home in a coffin. Two months on, and her passing is still unexplained.
The intention of this site is to alert all travellers to any potential dangers they face in a country perceived as a tropical paradise on the surface but which in fact has health & safety standards substantially below those of developed nations. The frequently heard stories of corruption and cover-up, of an undercurrent of sex, drug and child trafficking, and an environment of political instability may indeed not affect the average traveller, but leave potential travellers wondering if Thailand is indeed the destination of their dreams, able to provide an enjoyable and safe holiday.
This site will present unaltered and directly reported stories of travellers to Thailand, and allow all potential travellers an opportunity to judge for themselves whether or not the risks and potential pitfalls outweigh the surface charm and beauty of Thailand’s beaches, rainforests and markets.
Anyone is welcome to tell their story, which will be listed chronologically on the first page, but with the ability to sort by geographical location.
***********
Sarah Carter Tragedy
Sarah Carter (23), Amanda Eliason (23) & Emma Langlands (23) story as told by Amanda and Emma.
We arrived in Bangkok on 25 January 2011 and spent our first three nights on Koh Samet. We then flew to Koh Samui for two nights, travelled by ferry and bus to Krabi for three nights, and flew from Phuket to Chiang Mai on 2 February.
We arrived in Chiang Mai around 5pm and took a taxi straight to the Downtown Inn. Our impression of the room was that it was clean and comfortable. Before we headed out for an evening at the Night Bazaar, we had a look at the pool, and all tested the water temperature with our feet.
At the Night Bazaar, we ate at an indoor food court. Amanda ate a chicken pita kebab, and Emma and Sarah ate red pork curry. Both Amanda and Sarah drank a passionfruit shake. Later at the hotel, we drank the bottled drinking water provided for us.
We woke up early on 3 February, and within half an hour of each other, we all fell ill. We called a doctor to our room mid-morning. We began to feel better in the afternoon and ate a little food provided by the hotel. By evening our symptoms had deteriorated, and we were admitted to hospital around midnight.
The manager of the hotel was very attentive when he found out that we were ill, and he later visited us in hospital. During the day we spent in the hotel room, we were aware that people were concerned about a guest in the room next to ours, and were attempting to enter that room. On one of his visits to hospital, the manager told us that the person had passed away.
We have provided information and samples to the on-going investigation, and we hope this process can provide some answers for those involved.
We would like to thank the New Zealand public for all their messages of support. Our thoughts are always with the Carter family, and other families affected by recent events in Chiang Mai.
Link now connects to the working site: Thailand holiday fatalities & serious illness cases | Sarah Carter New ZealandQuote:
Originally Posted by KAPPA
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Lost smiles in LOS as Thailand travel tragedies website goes live
Posted on April 13, 2011
by John Le Fevre
Follow the link to view John Le Fevre's blog comments about the website - plus pics and background info.
I looked at the 'tragedies' website this morning, see it has been edited already the first contributed posts have gone, they were not as fact-based maybe as the site owners intended, missing 'tragic events' include reference to the airport crash at Phuket and subsequent cover-up, and a murder on March 15. Thought the murder may have had some news, googled and found it was March 2008. Do they want to drag up every death, ever, or just the suspicious/unsolved ones?
Maybe they could link to our 'farang deaths' thread each year.
Their broad definition of tragedy may well include being overcharged by a tuktuk in Patong, jetskis etc
unaltered and directly reported stories of travellers to Thailand, and allow all potential travellers an opportunity to judge for themselves
Facts? runs the risk of being filled with unsubstantiated stories/rants, there should as a minimum be a requirement for links to an accepted media source - although even these have been proven to be wrong at times.
How come I never died in Thailand eating local food. I think this australian and nz crap is just another insurance scam.