Thread: Phuket Manhunt for Expat Killer: Englishman Knifes American to Death

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

My source isn't wrong

you still on about this...like a broken record...
at least Bobcock identified the source of his information...but I forgot...you're SAS or CIA or some such...carry right on...

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

presented himself to two officers in Heathrow terminal building one

And makes no sense. Why do that when there is just as much a chance of walking out the airport a free man? Defies logic.

Maybe he assumed it could be a trap? Surely he'd not just get away with it that easy?

Maybe he thought the police would be waiting anyway.

He's probably kicking himself now.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by FarangRed

^Like I already said it took them over 2 hours to get to the scene, wont be that interested in 2 farangs

I'm talking about the alleged incident of Aldhouse cutting the throat of another person. Do you know any information about that?

He knew him and said this wasn't the first incident of this nature he was involved in. He actually tried to cut someones throat a few years ago and again fled from phuket, not returning for 6 months. The victim survived but with a large number of stitches.....

Nobody even talks about it, I guess it's history now although I dont drink in that bar

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

And makes no sense. Why do that when there is just as much a chance of walking out the airport a free man? Defies logic.

He would have been arrested eventually, better to front up and get it over with.

As there is no extradition request from Thailand yet he will be released under condition as soon as he's served his term for previously breaching his conditions. He'll probably be inside for a couple of years though.

I understand peoples' emotions are clouding their judgement here but that's what happened.

5555........why on earth would we be 'emotional' about this loser?

Originally Posted by Bobcock

5555........why on earth would we be 'emotional' about this loser?

I don't know, you've gone as far as contact your friend at Wandsworth Prison about him so you tell me.

Nope, never said that, your powers of comprehension are below par.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Nope, never said that, your powers of comprehension are below par.

My powers of comprehension are fine.

The proof of the pudding, twice you have claimed two things I haven't written, so maybe you can comprehend but choose to fabricate things....

Neither are good qualities......

And this is the front page of today's Telegraph.

New powers to block extradition could be given to ministers to better protect Britons wanted by foreign courts, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.


An independent review of agreements with the US and European nations is to be announced by Theresa May, the Home Secretary.

It follows widespread concern that the current system is biased against Britain and follows cases including that of Gary McKinnon, the alleged hacker wanted by the American authorities.



Under the review, which could be announced as soon as Wednesday, the Home Secretary’s hand could be strengthened and foreign authorities could be required to provide more evidence before British courts grant a request. A panel of lawyers and international relations experts, led by a judge, will also examine whether suspects accused of crimes that took place mostly in this country but affected foreign citizens should be tried at home.

David Cameron backed a change in the law before the general election and raised Mr McKinnon’s case with President Obama during his first visit to America as Prime Minister.

Any shift risks hurting relations with other nations, especially America. In the Commons on Monday, Tony Baldry, a Tory, said concerns over extradition were not helping “mutual trust”. Mrs May said: “I reflect on the importance of the relationship between the UK and the USA, but I am also aware of the comments being made outside this House and inside this chamber, that is why I think it is entirely right for the coalition government to agree that we will review that treaty.”

The review will examine five key areas of the 2003 Extradition Act, including the relationship with the US and the operation of the European Arrest Warrant (EAW). More than 1,000 people were extradited from Britain under one or other procedure last year.
The US agreement was drawn up after the 9/11 attacks to help fight terrorism by allowing the swift transfer of suspects. By last year, only one terrorism suspect had been extradited under the rules.
Instead, the law has been used to target businessmen accused of fraud and minor offenders. The review panel, which will report next summer, will also assess whether the treaty with the US should change to ensure a better balance.

Currently, American authorities wanting a Briton need only show that they are suspected of a crime there and provide an accurate description of the suspect. If Britain wants to bring a US citizen here, prosecutors must show some evidence that they committed the crime.

The panel will consider whether other countries should be obliged to produce evidence that an individual is responsible for a crime. It will also examine whether judges should be able to block extradition in cases like that of Mr McKinnon. It has been argued that he should be tried here because his alleged hacking into American military and Nasa computers took place on British soil.

Crucially, the review will look at whether the Home Secretary has sufficient discretion in individual cases. Currently, the minister can only block extradition if there are clear human rights breaches. Another key focus will be how the European warrant should operate.
Last month, The Sunday Telegraph disclosed that the number of people seized in Britain under an EAW had risen more than 50 per cent in a year. Critics say the courts have little power to stop a transfer and that it is being abused to pursue people for minor offences. Foreign prosecutors do not have to present evidence. Suspects can spend long periods in jail – here and abroad – even for offences which are not crimes in Britain.

Last week, David Blunkett, one of the architects of the 2003 Act as the then home secretary, admitted that Britain “gave away too much”.
Earlier this month, a court was told that a millionaire facing extradition to the US over accusations that he tried to sell missile parts to Iran was the victim of entrapment.

The case of Christopher Tappin, a 63-year-old golf club chairman, is continuing.

Last week Malcolm Hay, an antiques dealer, told of his “scandalous” attempted deportation under European extradition laws over claims that he broke a Greek bylaw by selling broken pottery pieces to a dealer at his home in London 11 years ago.
Jago Russell, chief executive of Fair Trials International, said: “Reform of the UK’s extradition arrangements is long overdue. Cases of injustice are stacking up.”

Janis Sharp, Mr McKinnon’s mother, called for all existing US extradition cases to be put on hold while the review is under way.
“I believe the coalition government will stand up for British citizens rather than primarily serving other countries,” she said. “Our government was voted in to uphold, protect and defend our rights that British men and women died in world wars to protect.
“No government has the right to give those rights away.”



New powers to block Britons from extradition - Telegraph

Not that relevant to this case. Its a review of extradition to countries which don't have to provide prima facie evidence to the courts. Thailand has always had to provide this evidence

that's the headline, but reading the article nothing is guaranteed, speedy or otherwise

Phuket murder suspect Lee Aldhouse faces swift extradition from UK

Intranee Sumawong, Executive Director of International Affairs at the Office of the Attorney General in Bangkok

PHUKET: The Office of the Attorney General (OAG) in Bangkok has petitioned UK authorities to place Lee Aldhouse under provisional arrest when he is released from Wormwood Scrubs Prison in London on September 24.

Mr Aldhouse, 28, is wanted for the stabbing murder of former US Marine Dashawn Longfellow in Rawai on August 14. The incident occurred after a brawl between the two earlier that night.

Mr Aldhouse was arrested at Heathrow Airport on arrival in the UK under an outstanding warrant issued after he fled the country while out on bail for a previous offense.

Sources told the Gazette he worked as a bouncer in Spain for a number of years before making his way to Thailand.

Prosecutor Intranee Sumawong, OAG Executive Director of International Affairs, told the Gazette, “To compile the application as quickly as possible, we asked for his provisional arrest as we have a treaty between us, but we need to provide evidence of who Aldhouse is and what he is wanted for.

“We also filed a prosecution order, as they want to make sure we will prosecute him after he is transferred to us.”

She explained the application was made through diplomatic channels, via the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

“The file is probably now at the Home Office. How long it takes depends on them,” she said.

Ms Intranee pointed out that extraditing Mr Aldhouse was a delicate matter.

“The British will not extradite their citizens to any country for charges that include execution as punishment. So in the case of Lee, who is facing a charge of premeditated murder, we have to be especially careful."

“The Thai government probably will have to give assurance to the British government that he will not face execution, but that doesn’t mean he will not be punished,” she said.

Such an “assurance” is likely to be a pardon from execution to “something like life imprisonment,” she said.

Chalong Police Superintendent Wichit Intorrasorn, the leading officer in the murder investigation in Phuket, said, “This is the fastest extradition case in 10 years. American authorities and the victim’s family are happy with our efforts. Right now it depends on England when he will be sent to us.”

Mr Aldhouse’s girlfriend, who has confessed to playing a key role in helping the fugitive escape Thailand, has agreed to testify against Mr Aldhouse and to cooperate with the police in building their case against him, he said.

Phuket Provincial Prosecutor Tawan Sukyiran earlier told the Gazette Mr Aldhouse will likely face assault charges against his girlfriend, whom he allegedly beat while she was asleep in bed. That incident happened at an undisclosed time before the night of the stabbing.

Mr Aldhouse’s girlfriend, from the northeast province of Udon Thani, was left with bruises on her face, broken ribs and damaged kidneys, Mr Tawan said.

Mr Aldhouse also faces a lesser charge of theft from a 7-Eleven store, he added.

The Englishman was caught on CCTV demanding knives from terrified workers at the convenience store before the fatal altercation with Mr Longfellow.

Phuket NEWS: Phuket murder suspect Lee Aldhouse faces swift extra

Originally Posted by genghis61

“The Thai government probably will have to give assurance to the British government that he will not face execution, but that doesn’t mean he will not be punished,” she said. Such an “assurance” is likely to be a pardon from execution to “something like life imprisonment,” she said.

We've already established such a condition will not be sufficient.

If they want him, they will have to change the law.

They will need to accept their responsibility in letting him escape to freedom though, and I expect the usual Thai temper tantrums when their request to extradite is refused even though they are to blame for letting him leave in the first place.

Originally Posted by genghis61

Mr Aldhouse was arrested at Heathrow Airport on arrival in the UK under an outstanding warrant issued after he fled the country while out on bail for a previous offense.

No, he turned himself in to authorities on arrival.