Thread: Andrew Wallace - Jailed in UK - Sex Trafficking

Originally Posted by Butterfly

he sent me a PM begging me to stop, he was on his knees, being a soft heart I concurred he also sent me a few greens as a bribe, with arguments like that, it's difficult to go for the kill

You being one of the dullest knives in the drawer, I understand his begging.
What a way to go !

To many replies not bothered to read all that, but the guy just helped on moving trade of the most ancient profession in this world, so what ?

Take it or leave it, or leave him, and leave them if you do not need their services.

See that those chaps make a lot of sad people happy to live again... Just seen one TV report about prostitutes specially trained to service disabled people in France, could say that those poor disables have to shag "remedies against love" type of service providers, for sure those sweet Thai girls could be better...

Prostiution is legal in Switzerland, not yet in Engerland ? So it's as for Thailand, sorry not have here ?

Originally Posted by forreachingme

To many replies not bothered to read all that, but the guy just helped on moving trade of the most ancient profession in this world, so what ?

Take it or leave it, or leave him, and leave them if you do not need their services.

See that those chaps make a lot of sad people happy to live again... Just seen one TV report about prostitutes specially trained to service disabled people in France, could say that those poor disables have to shag "remedies against love" type of service providers, for sure those sweet Thai girls could be better...

Prostiution is legal in Switzerland, not yet in Engerland ? So it's as for Thailand, sorry not have here ?

Prostitution is legal in the UK, visiting a prostitute is legal.
Brothels are illegal, pimping is illegal in the UK

Prostitutes are legal in Sweden, visiting a prostiture is illegal !!

^ Malta ?

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by nidhogg

4th looks to be bang on.

England (not the UK) is now the most densely populated country in Europe, per square kilometer it has double that of Germany and quadruple that of France.

Many sites will say Holland is the most densely populated, but that is old data.

Not according to that wikki data (although does not break down to England). But Monaco is waaaaayyyyyyyy out ahead of the other countries.

Originally Posted by nikster

Helping some working ladies set up shop in the UK and splitting the proceeds - well yeah sorry, that is commonly called human trafficking.

I disagree - there are a number of elements which I believe make up the term of "trafficking". Usually you would want to see somewhere in there gross exploitation and compulsion. The term is starting to be generalised to include a lot of things - just like being referred to as a terrorist because you don't agree with a specific policy, government, country etc - in the end, these words tend to be readily used for self-serving purposes.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

True enough, but the he did live off of their earnings, as in, he did them a favour and they returned it with interest. Pimping. Or living off of immoral earnings if you like.

You have to admit that's pretty scummy.

Not defending the guy here, but its not always so black and white out in the real world. By your perspective, anyone receiving money from "immoral earnings" are scum. Interested where you would stand with a UK prostitute who gets a car/home loan from a bank based on her "immoral earnings" - is the bank scum? Should they refuse to lend her money because she is "immoral"? That was certainly the case in the past - but if she is paying taxes and its legal to work as a prostitute then aren't moral arguments simply discriminatory? One perspective of jurisprudence is that the law reflects a country's current norms, morals, culture etc. So if its legal to work as a prostitute then surely its no longer "immoral".

Now pimping is an extension of the act of prostitution (whether its legal or illegal) and because pimping arrangements historically are not always beneficial to the prostitutes interests and thus laws are directed against such an arrangement. But what happens if the arrangement could be considered fairly beneficial to both parties? What happens if its closer to a loan arrangement as opposed to an arrangement based solely on exploitation? We could argue back and forth our different views but the point I'm simply making is that things aren't always so nicely black and white. The only real way of knowing is to get the transcript of the sentencing to get an accurate report of what relevant factors were determined.

^ He pleaded guilty to two counts of arranging or facilitating the arrival into the UK of a person for sexual exploitation and two further counts of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. To me I read that as two counts of trafficking and two counts of pimping, I don't need the transcripts of sentencing to figure that out.

If it is a legal business in whichever country....how can assisiting staff to go there for work be Trafficking ?

Originally Posted by mediamanbkk

^ He pleaded guilty to two counts of arranging or facilitating the arrival into the UK of a person for sexual exploitation and two further counts of causing or inciting prostitution for gain. To me I read that as two counts of trafficking and two counts of pimping, I don't need the transcripts of sentencing to figure that out.

There are many reasons and considerations why someone can elect to plead guilty. Ever pleaded guilty to a speeding ticket (by paying the fine) because its just easier and cheaper to do that than to contest it? (thats a rhetorical question by the way). If you knew a little bit about legal systems, you would realise that while we like to banter up "everybody is entitled to their day in Court", some people simply can't afford to properly exercise such rights. The point that I was making which seems to be lost is that you can go down one path and come to conclusion A. If you think about things a little more critically, you may see other paths are available which may or may not lead you to "conclusion A" and thus by magic, you start to realise that things aren't always so black and white.

Originally Posted by Isee

If you knew a little bit about legal systems, you would realise that while we like to banter up "everybody is entitled to their day in Court", some people simply can't afford to properly exercise such rights.

Yes, but BkkAndrew was making 30,000 Pounds per month, i reckon he could have afforded it.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Yes, but BkkAndrew was making 30,000 Pounds per month, i reckon he could have afforded it.

I don't believe for one minute that you believe that figure. The guy was small time at best...

Originally Posted by Bower

Prostitutes are legal in Sweden, visiting a prostitute is illegal !!

What kind of f**ked up arrangement is that?

It's like owning a car is legal but driving one is illegal--defeats the whole friggin purpose.

Originally Posted by Bower

My opinions are not from rabid propaganda but what i see with my own eyes.

But that is hardly relevant as you cannot see with your won eyes what is happening in Germany, Italy, Spain, France . . . let alone anywhere else. If you were living near the welsh border you would think that there are no immigrants waiting to come to the UK

Originally Posted by Bower

4th in Europe immgration tables, is that not high for a tiny island with 60m pop ?

Originally Posted by nidhogg

4th looks to be bang on.

Not when one considers the fact that there are not many who wish to migrate to Russia.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

England (not the UK) is now the most densely populated country in Europe, per square kilometer it has double that of Germany and quadruple that of France.

Many sites will say Holland is the most densely populated, but that is old data.

Incorrect, Noodles.

trick question: Is England still technically an island ?

^ It's actually joined to France (Channel tunnel).
Phuket has a bridge to the mainland. Does that take it off the island list?

Perhaps we should all chip in and get BKK Andrew a little home-warming gift for his new abode in the gaol... An autographed picture of DD would most likely cheer the place up and give Andrew something to look forward to...

Originally Posted by English Noodles

England is the most densely-populated major nation in Europe.

England is not a major nation

Is the british Empire a minority now....hoorah

Oh the shame......

. . . the shame of what? Honouring our history? How is that shameful.

Trying to make this into a shit-fest is quite disingenuous . . . my remark above was in reference to England not being a nation comparable to others. There is no English citizenship, there are no English embassies overseas, there is no English currency . . . is there an English parliament?

Personally I don't give a flying one if England is a country or not, but for the stake of this discussion, in reality, it is not

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Originally Posted by Bower

My opinions are not from rabid propaganda but what i see with my own eyes.

But that is hardly relevant as you cannot see with your won eyes what is happening in Germany, Italy, Spain, France . . . let alone anywhere else. If you were living near the welsh border you would think that there are no immigrants waiting to come to the UK

PH, Why do you consider what i witness with my own eyes irrelevant? My comments refered to France, i have seen the camps in Sangat full of illegal immigrants, mainly left in peace by the French authorites because they are waiting for a chance to get into the UK.

Should we discount all eyewitness accounts of events and incidents ?