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    WTF? Is it just the Nation again

    I was reading Nationmultimedia today when the article below showed up.

    Are they just trying to stir up a mess or?

    Coup debate refuses to die - Nationmultimedia.com




    The military has repeatedly denied it, Democrats apparently aren't worried about it. Yet, a coup remains a compelling prospect for many. Here are the caes for and against the possibility of it happening.





    To many observers, a military coup still looms on the horizon, and the question tilts toward when it would happen rather than if it would occur.
    They believe the military was about to stage a coup last Friday but, for unknown reasons, decided to walk away from it at the last minute.

    The timing was tantalizing. "Then Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva was on his way to Switzerland, while General Anupong Paochinda, the Army chief, was making a trip to the South," one source said.

    Activities and comments coming from the the red-shirt movement helped fuel coup speculation. Natthawut Saikua, one of their leaders, kept warning that the public should keep an eye on the period between February 4 and 14 when Army Chief Gen Anupong will make an overseas trip. He said that within that 10-day period a military coup could take place.

    The red shirts are particularly wary of Gen Prayuth Chan-Ocha, the deputy Army chief who has become a focus of serious speculation. Despite his denials last week, Prayuth has remained hounded by rumours that a coup leader has been designated, with preparatory measures ready to be introduced before, during and after the coup.

    "If the coup were to happen, the National United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship will create an uprising to ward off the coup," he said.

    Giving rise to this talk is the question how Thailand will cope with the spectre of bitter conflict and violence in the run-up to the Supreme Court's ruling on the Bt76 billion asset seizure case against former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra on February 26. Thaksin is expected to fight to his death to protect his last fortune.

    In September 2006, the military rolled out the tanks to remove Thak-sin and to prevent clashes between the Yellow Shirt protesters and Thaksin's supporters. The military was said to be far from enjoying unity then, almost shooting at each other.

    This time around, the military is said to be firmly united around the brainy Gen Prayuth, the new Army chief-designated. Proclaimed confidence in Prayuth has to do with the delicate consequences linked to the ruling on Thaksin's asset seizure case, and a belief that the Abhisit government is no longer in total charge of the situation, particularly with a desperate Thaksin on the loose.

    Last Monday His Majesty the King granted an audience for new judges and called on them to exercise their duty with bravery, righteousness and justice. This followed rumours of alleged attempts to lobby the Su-preme Court on the asset seizure case.

    Thaksin has completely lost his support from the military, as seen by last week's gatherings of mid-level commanders and their troops to demonstrate unequivocal backing for Army chief Gen Anupong.

    Virtually all the mid-level military commanders, including rangers from Pak Thongchai, Nakhon Ratchasima, have signalled that they would support Gen Anupong and boycott Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol, one of the outspoken leaders of the Thaksin's red shirts. Maj Gen Khattiya has made veiled threats against Anupong, members of the Asset Examination Committee and judges involved in the asset seizure case.

    A desperate Thaksin may resort to a red shirt uprising to create social upheaval to the extent that His Majesty the King is obliged to intervene for a truce. He also might launch last-minute lobbying efforts targetting the Supreme Court.
    In addition to that, Thaksin could try to embarrass Thailand by taking the asset seizure case to the World Court. He claimed people everywhere knew that his family had been rich before he entered politics
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    I've always wondered if the military stages coups purposely to prevent something worse, like civil war. These coups act like a pressure release valve for Thai society. Problem is it just postpones things and doesn't solve the underlying problems (economic disparity chiefly). For good or ill, Thaksin had a pretty good run at keeping the societal pressure equalized, at least until the last year or so. Seems we may be back to the same old coup cycle again.

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    pre-emptive coup ? I will believe it when I see it

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    76 billion in assets about to go up in smoke. Takki's got nothing to lose by promising a cut of that to whoever wants to contribute action-wise to his comeback. And you know how the locals like to gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
    These coups act like a pressure release valve for Thai society.
    I would think that the opposite is true in that coups generally prove the population impotent by invalidating their democratic 'rights'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith View Post
    Seems we may be back to the same old coup cycle again.
    It's ingrained into the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
    These coups act like a pressure release valve for Thai society.
    I would think that the opposite is true in that coups generally prove the population impotent by invalidating their democratic 'rights'
    So, we have to ask ourselves, Hatters - who really benefits over decades of attempted and successful coups? Hmmmmm......??

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    Precisely, RS

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    I don't understand. What's WTF about this article? It's old news, people have been talking and the media (and us on TD) have been speculating about this for weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by paranha
    Thaksin has completely lost his support from the military, as seen by last week's gatherings of mid-level commanders and their troops to demonstrate unequivocal backing for Army chief Gen Anupong.
    That's right, a united army always orders its soldiers to spontaneously display loyalty to to its commanders. If there wasn't a problem in the military why would they have to resort to such ridiculous actions? Such spontaneous outpourings of loyalty are how we know for sure that Kim Jong Il is the most beloved leader in the whole wide world

    the brainy Gen Prayuth


    Virtually all the mid-level military commanders, including rangers from Pak Thongchai, Nakhon Ratchasima, have signalled that they would support Gen Anupong and boycott Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol, one of the outspoken leaders of the Thaksin's red shirts.
    Of course they would, patronage system again. But that bunch of middle-aged layabouts do not necessarily represent the entire military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith View Post
    I've always wondered if the military stages coups purposely to prevent something worse, like civil war.
    No, they stage them to prevent change in society and to preserve power structures. There has never been a Thai coup which has actually benefited the general population.

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    76 billion buys a lot of friends....promise them the earth and deliver....barely anything...best job in the world... Thailand and Thai people need to start paying attention. Start paying taxes...the average joe never pays taxes or gets his/her accountant to falsify records so that minimal taxes are paid. This country could have alot more than it currently does have...unfortunately the theiving buggers in high positions would just milk even more..

    End the corruption and see the country grow.. problem solved..... never gonna happen that...
    There are no strangers here, just friends you haven't met yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole View Post
    76 billion buys a lot of friends....promise them the earth and deliver....barely anything...best job in the world... Thailand and Thai people need to start paying attention. Start paying taxes...the average joe never pays taxes or gets his/her accountant to falsify records so that minimal taxes are paid. This country could have alot more than it currently does have...unfortunately the theiving buggers in high positions would just milk even more..
    The average joe doesn't earn enough to reach the tax-paying threshold and I doubt the average joe can afford an accountant

    Have you considered that there are richer people in Thailand than Thaksin and that they might have their own agenda?

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    Excellent....need to send some sms's to Knobsy again.

    I saw an armoured convoy heading to Bkk on Friday.....think it has started...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Have you considered that there are richer people in Thailand than Thaksin
    There are...is this before the seizure or after DrB0b???

    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    The average joe doesn't earn enough to reach the tax-paying threshold and I doubt the average joe can afford an accountant
    Ok agreed and stand corrected...but what about many restaurant etc...In Trang there are many business's and when I asked how much tax she paid (via my wife of course) the lady just laughed and said none...I was waiting for the wink...but it never came..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr R Sole View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Have you considered that there are richer people in Thailand than Thaksin
    There are...is this before the seizure or after DrB0b???
    Before. See PM
    Last edited by DrB0b; 01-02-2010 at 11:19 AM.

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    Now you've gone and got me all curious....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    Now you've gone and got me all curious....
    ...you didn't know?

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    I know.....was just being a little obnoxious....just a little.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I would think that the opposite is true in that coups generally prove the population impotent by invalidating their democratic 'rights'
    Does the average urban Thai give a toss about his democratic rights? Food on the table, Lao khaw in the jar is all they worry about and 200 Baht buys their "rights" mai me phan ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    ...you didn't know?
    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    I know.....was just being a little obnoxious....just a little.....
    He didn't know. Soon he'll tell us he was being "ironic" again

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