and then we have Chavalit trying to claim some kind of lost leadership (his party was financially rescued and bought by Thaksin in early 2000)
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In Puea Thai, the generals are simply foot soldiers
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and then we have Chavalit trying to claim some kind of lost leadership (his party was financially rescued and bought by Thaksin in early 2000)
WARNING: opinion article below
In Puea Thai, the generals are simply foot soldiers
with so many heavyweight champion in PT leadership, it's not hard to understand that the "official" PT leader is absent and crushed by those heavyweights, like it was previously with brother in law as a proxy
from the horse mouth, even Puea Thai leader Yongyuth Wichaidit can see how ineffective he is. Probably taking order directly from you know who, hardly constructive for change or credible opposition.
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Originally Posted by Puea Thai leader Yongyuth Wichaidit
interesting what you can find on blogs these days :)
PT does seem to lack a certain "unity" needed to be a credible opposition
http://siamreport.blogspot.com/2009/...rty-money.htmlQuote:
The second rumor is that Sudarat Keyuraphan—unofficial Puea Thai leader for Bangkok—may split and form her own political party. Her exit from the party could split the Thaksin camp.
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Whats the point of rumours and hearsay on here base your knowledge on the facts which may give you some credibility until then spend less time with your ladyboys in Bangkok (Soi Nana) and have a look round the real Thailand
^ right, please define real Thailand for me :rolleyes:
is that related to Thainess ? :rolleyes:
I thought ladyboys were real Thailand :p
the small rumours are still interesting, they are not ground breaking, and because they are small enough, they might actually be true or at least raise valid options or possibilities. They are also very logical in terms of typical political events, so they don't need to be discounted completely.
and living in Nakhon nowhere in some peasant shithole in the middle of a rice field hardly qualifies as real Thailand :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighlander959
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Grow a pair!!! if possible.
Its a lot more relevant to Thailand than you sitting in your ladyboy bar in Bangkok bullshitting all the girls and boys about your Thai political and economic knowlwedge.
What you know about the real Thailand you could write on the back of a f*cking postage stamp.
^ please enlighten us, what is the real Thailand, if there is a such a thing
(this should be entertaining)
We all think we live in the real Thailand. Does such a place really exist? A bit like the real world perhaps?:chitown:
Maybe this expatriate republican has become a royalist because he spends his time with so many dancing queens. Who knows; who cares: that is his private life.
But this expatriate republican should understand that Thailand is going down for one simple reason.
The royalist think that they can do anything with impunity and are so stuck in their greedy fairytale world of lies and corruption that they fail to understand reality and what is happening.
Sadly it will only be when the bullets start flying and the bombs starts going off that these people will wake up
oh yes, how many times have we heard that one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gjbkk
yes, tell us again what is the reality and what is happening :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gjbkk
Projecting ? or wishful thinking ? and how are they going to accomplish this ? civil wars are expensive, it takes money to force your freedom onto others :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gjbkk
I think the French boy is a closet republican. Although he has democratic/socialist tendancies among others. He is as disenfranchised as Thaksin.Butterfly my boy I think you are losing it.
No one really cares about your innuendos,rumours and hearsay. Although obviously think that it matters.
Hear is some news no one gives a flying f*ck concerning rumours and hearsay in Thai politics. its a political smokescreen to ensure that the peasants are kept inline by the ruling classes ie. Bangkok HI-SO, the military who hold the reins of power and the puppet who sits as Prime Minister and is their whipping boy.
As for the real Thailand as I told you before you,ve got to drive outside of Sukumvhit Rd. maybe as far as Saraburi. You might get some idea then why the people are not so happy with this puppet government remember you need to try talking to them and not just cut and paste what you see in The Nation.
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Originally Posted by gjbkk
I see you don't disagree with this bit though Butters :)
^ so explain again why people are not so happy with this government ? is that because of the economic crisis ?
how is that related to the government ?
please enlighten us, you seem to be a hardcore "expat" who knows all about the real Thailand :)
hilarious, isn't it ? it's like going to France and expecting to see French citizens with their baguette and beret,Quote:
Originally Posted by crippen
you making silly claims hardly means they are valid or true,Quote:
Originally Posted by gjbkk
you can repeat to yourself that I am a hardcore royalist, but that doesn't make it more true. I don't have a preference for either. More choices, the better, including socialism and communism, which I note is completely absent in Thailand political landscape.
for now, you have been incapable of putting forward any decent arguments in political terms articulating why the present government is so bad for Thailand. I mean valid arguments, not juvenile non-sense you would expect from a tuk tuk driver or motocy taxi.
So you are telling us thet the French don,t eat Baguettes and wear berets?
I am sure that in rural France there are still some older people who will adhere to the dress code of wearing a beret.
I also know that it is quite common to get a baguette from most bakers or at a push Carrefoure.
Oh, Butterfly as soon as I put valid arguments against your posts with valid reliable links you tend to disappear from the thread.
well if you think that old people are the majority in France, then again you are mistaken, and the typical "France" that you think you know might actually be completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighlander959
they probably buy more baguette in NYC than they do in the rest of France. It's a tradition that is going away. French still eat a lot of bread though, but the baguette is becoming a lost tradition. See, things change after all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighlander959
I think the real issue is your incapacity to address or analyze the real cause of the political crisis. You keep barking at the current government and projecting some kind of illusionary Demoracy El Dorado that couldn't exist. Maybe if you could actually understand and assimilate all the books you are reading instead of simply learning them by heart, it would be a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
Hard questions like asking somebody who saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
to name those leaders?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...1319/butts.jpg
This the best you can do by way of a response, Butterfly? How sad :(
^ I think you forgot that part first "what is the real Thailand" ? :p
Thailand, the country, is the real Thailand, you fool. It's not Bangkok, it's not Korat or Yala or Nan or Had Yai, it's all of them and all the rest. I can't believe you need something so obvious explained to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...f_thailand.jpg
Its definitely not where you are staying,thats for sure. But I can bet its a lot closer to where I am staying.
But thats just a bit to much for you isn,t it because you live in Bangkok with your Thai/Chinese and Issan ladyboys.
People in Glass whorehouses (Bangkok) shouldn,t throw stones.
But again your just a bit to thick for that. I dunno if its a French thing or not but you really need to broaden you horizons you have been in Thailand for to long.
A political reality needing to be learned by the Democrats. If they get the votes in the North and Northeast, they win. No great mystery here. Just ask Thaksin.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
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A good point Norton however the democrats will never get that amount of votes from the north or the south.
Maybe in Bangkok though if they send all the taxi drivers and tuk tuk drivers home although I still wouldn,t bet on it.
gee, you are a bit thick, aren't you ? Thanks for providing me with a map of Thailand to answer the question :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
I guess on the map, it excludes Soi nana, since this is not real Thailand, but seriously, some here claim they live in real Thailand, so I ask again for the thick ones "what is the real Thailand" ? :)
You're welcome. It's a two way street, by helping the mentally negligible, such as yourself, I also make merit for my next life. A win-win situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
that would mean bribing them to come to the booth, and since the democrat leader is not a self made cheating billionaire, he is not a model to aspire to. Maybe political honesty doesn't pay after all, that's what Khun T has taught us all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
oh oh that was very funny, didn't know you also had a great sense of humorQuote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
So the democrats never bribed anyone or the yellow shirts? You really are a Nation reader. Anything they print you copy cut and paste.
Did it ever occur to you that all Thai politicians are corrupt even the ones in your home town?
Its just that Khun Thaksin was smarter and has deeper pockets.
Oh and another thing he got the majority of the votes to win an election not just once but twice.
Thats not on Vegemites CV and I don,t believe it ever will be.
Highlander, I agree, both sides are as bad as each other.
My point has and will always be that Thaksin is vile. He is actively hindering any chance this government has of doing anything right. There's no consensus here, just petty infighting. All the while Thailand suffers. Is Abhisit a good choice? No. His policies are becoming more dubious by the day...his loyalties questionable. His motives are clearly to maintain the status quo for the select few.
I want to see Thaksin gone. Out of the picture. Then perhaps democracy can be restored. It needs to be, but I can't see it happening....
Strontium,
Abhisit was the pick of the military the PC and the Deocratic party. He has no interest it what happens outside of Bangkok. He also know that if the have elections he has no chance of getting back into power with the democrats.
This country is being run to suit the few elite and not the majority.
Thaksin showed the majority that their votes counted bribery or not parties were bribing people as I said before Khun T had deeper pockets.
I never said that he is the saviour heis to greedy for that but he gave the poor hope and a chance to vote which would never have come from the elite in Bangkok.
Oxymoron. As it is worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
If buying votes was the only way to win then the Dems would have won the last elections. Much more involved than that. If Abhisit as leader of the Dems wants to win he needs to climb down from his Bangkok ivory tower, meet and show the locals he is committed to their welfare, build a political machine in Isaan and the North which convinces the locals they will benefit if they vote for a Democrat. Same, same as Thaksin. You can deride Thaksin all you want but by doing so you overlook that fact he won and won handily over the Dems and every other party. The one area Thaksin should have included in his tactics was "don't piss off the military". This in the end was a fatal political decision.
The other option the Dems have is change the rules so majority vote is irrelevant. Much better to go the way of winning the vote unless they want a more severe problem in the vein of national disunity than they now have.
Norton
Its like talking to a handkerchief on with some of these people their only agenda is to read spout and cut copy and paste all the bullshit that comes from The Nation and Sondhi,s TV Station, they really as bad as the Bangkok elite which represent them.
Need to think for themselves but thats imposible as they dont get past Rangsit.
nice work bf you've successfully derailed the thread :rolleyes:
In the year since he became Thai premier with no popular mandate, Abhisit Vejjajiva has underperformed on the domestic and regional stage and failed to reconcile a deeply divided nation, analysts say.
as quoted in the OP , in which there is NO mention of PT .
Yes and there are reasons for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
etiquite ain't one of them start another thread .
a bit easy. Let's look at this another way. Would have Thaksin won if he didn't hand out incentives to go to the booth ? probably not with a majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
The division is fueled by one man only, he is a snake, he was divisive the first day he was in power. Khun T played the middle class to get in at the first election (without a majority, Newin was there again to play balance), and when they become disappointed with him, he switched to the NE poor. Not sure who had the idea first of the million THB mooban, probably Newin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton