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    Norwich sex trade victim tells her story

    Norwich sex trade victim tells her story
    SARAH BREALEY
    07 December 2009


    Mai Ling as a younger woman


    When Mai Ling was growing up in Thailand, she dreamed of being a vet.

    She won a place at the University of Bangkok to study animal science and had a bright future. But she ended up being forced into prostitution in Norwich.

    The story of the victims of sex trafficking is rarely heard. In April last year the Evening News reported on how an international vice ring had been broken after raids on Norwich, Great Yarmouth and King's Lynn, and in May this year the woman who ran the Norwich brothels, Yi Yuan Geng, was jailed.

    Now a team from BBC Inside Out has followed the story of how Geng was caught after a hunt lasting more than a year, and also of one victim who was terrified of the work she had to do but ended up finding love with her driver.

    Mai Ling - not her real name - began working in the sex trade to pay off huge family debts in Thailand. She was trafficked into the UK and had to pay back £24,000 to those who brought her here, as well as sending money home to pay off large family debts. She now wants to turn her life around and restart her education, and then get a job.

    She told Inside Out she was “really, really shocked” when she was offered the chance to work in the sex trade, but felt she had little choice, because her father was in hospital and needed an expensive liver transplant.

    She said she was scared of “nearly everyone” in the first couple of months, “but after that you get used to it.” She would see four men a night on average, but at weekends it would rise to seven or eight. She recalls painful experiences, but used the money to come to terms with it.

    She said: “If you wake up in the morning and count your money it make you feel better - that's right, that's what we try to do, we count the money - this is how much my mum, my family going to have, that make me feel better.”

    She fell in love with her driver, who was himself trapped in the world of sex trafficking and had to take her to meet clients. Now they want to start a new life together.

    Women who are trafficked into the UK are usually moved around the country to work in different brothels to give customers something new. They usually travel by train with just a small suitcase full of the skimpy underwear that is their working uniform.

    Geng ran brothels in Queen's Road and Wherry Road in Norwich, and another in Ispwich. She was sentenced to 18 months in prison and was deported to China in September.

    Det Sgt Stuart Bailey, who was in charge of the operation, said: “Geng was just the start. Norfolk police are now going to add more resources to tackling forced labour, domestic slavery and sexual exploitation - all that human trafficking brings with a view to prosecuting those that are far higher than Geng.”

    Inside Out is on BBC One tonight at 7.30pm.

    eveningnews24.co.uk
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    I'm very cynical when I hear claims of enforced prostitution in the UK, it's a story that most illegal immigrant prostitutes use to avoid prosecution and allows them to stay in the country.

    This girl had plenty of chances to fun to the police if she wanted to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
    I'm very cynical when I hear claims of enforced prostitution in the UK, it's a story that most illegal immigrant prostitutes use to avoid prosecution and allows them to stay in the country.

    This girl had plenty of chances to fun to the police if she wanted to
    Exactly, feminists just won't accept that a lot of women go into prostitution voluntarily, hell i'm sure quite a few even enjoy it. But also a very quick way to get British citizenship is to claim what she has in her story, which she was probably advised to do by a lawyer.

    Now the story could be factual, but my worthless is opinion is a load of bollox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Mai Ling - not her real name - began working in the sex trade to pay off huge family debts in Thailand. She was trafficked into the UK and had to pay back £24,000 to those who brought her here, as well as sending money home to pay off large family debts.

    She said: “If you wake up in the morning and count your money it make you feel better - that's right, that's what we try to do, we count the money - this is how much my mum, my family going to have, that make me feel better.”
    Victim? I don't think real victims get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    She won a place at the University of Bangkok to study animal science and had a bright future. But she ended up being forced into prostitution in Norwich.
    Pity there is only Bangkok University and they dont have a school of animal science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    She fell in love with her driver, who was himself trapped in the world of sex trafficking and had to take her to meet clients. Now they want to start a new life together.
    Sif you would wanna get involved with some whore who has willingly had a train run on her ass 24/7/365.

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    Big bullshit flag on this tale of alleged woe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sdigit View Post
    I'm very cynical when I hear claims of enforced prostitution in the UK, it's a story that most illegal immigrant prostitutes use to avoid prosecution and allows them to stay in the country.

    This girl had plenty of chances to fun to the police if she wanted to
    Exactly, feminists just won't accept that a lot of women go into prostitution voluntarily, hell i'm sure quite a few even enjoy it. But also a very quick way to get British citizenship is to claim what she has in her story, which she was probably advised to do by a lawyer.

    Now the story could be factual, but my worthless is opinion is a load of bollox.
    I know two Thai girls (as friends) who are here illegally and working as whores, both have said they will use the enforced prostitution story if caught, its common knowledge amongst these people what lines to come out with if caught.
    We're suckers for it every time mate

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    Here's a secret. I used to work as a driver for these types of organisation, and I'm not saying that in every case this is true but all the agencies I worked for were well run and would take care of the girls very well. I don't believe for a minute that she was forced by people into prostitution but more by circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    Here's a secret. I used to work as a driver for these types of organisation, and I'm not saying that in every case this is true but all the agencies I worked for were well run and would take care of the girls very well. I don't believe for a minute that she was forced by people into prostitution but more by circumstances.
    I doubt if there are more than a handful of unwilling whores in the whole damn country, it's a story put about primarily by Diesel dyke's and feminazi politicians.

    There was a good story about the myth of enforced prostitution in the UK on Radio 4 last year, I'll try To find it and post the link here if its still available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post



    She won a place at the University of Bangkok

    But she ended up being forced into prostitution in Norwich.

    Mai Ling - not her real name - began working in the sex trade to pay off huge family debts in Thailand. She was trafficked into the UK and had to pay back £24,000 to those who brought her here, as well as sending money home to pay off large family debts.

    her father was in hospital and needed an expensive liver transplant.

    She recalls painful experiences, but used the money to come to terms with it.

    She said: “If you wake up in the morning and count your money it make you feel better”


    The whole thing just sounds dodgy and pre-meditated.

    Those Thais who 'win' places at somewhere like Bangkok University are usually of a much different class to those who need to use the sex trade to survive.

    As for the excuses, heard that all before.

    Counting the money? Typically Thai. Money first, feelings, conscience and well being second.

    Sorry, but I think she knew what she was getting into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    began working in the sex trade to pay off huge family debts in Thailand. She was trafficked into the UK and had to pay back £24,000 to those who brought her here
    She wasn't forced. She chose to do it to earn money.

    Nowhere did she say she was forced to go to the UK either.

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    i wonder if Sarah Brealey is just a pen name for a cetain Bangkok based 'journalist'.

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    So who is going to contact the BBC to tell them that they've run a fallacious story?

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    You dont win a place to Bangkok University its private. You show up. Breath on a mirror or window to show you are alive, then pay. Its really quite easy.

    Mai Ling is a shitty alias as well Thitiporn Nobsuchalot would be much better.

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    Hope her dad is better now.
    Come to think of it, I may even know this young lass. I seem to recall talking to a young lady in Bangkok some time ago who told me she was only in the game to help her sick papa.

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    Lot of that about oldbugger

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    So who is going to contact the BBC to tell them that they've run a fallacious story?
    The Thai girl will have lied to to the Police when caught. The BBC is merely reporting her side of the story, which most of us here have decided, based on experience, is probably hugely exaggerated, or fictitious.

    Over the years I have met many Thai women going to the UK voluntarily to be prostitutes. I know several Westerners, including posters on this board, that have been involved in this as well.

    I have never met a Thai that has admitted they were forced into being a pro in the UK. Funny that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    I know several Westerners, including posters on this board, that have been involved in this as well.
    BB went home to sell his ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    The Thai girl will have lied to to the Police when caught. The BBC is merely reporting her side of the story, which most of us here have decided, based on experience, is probably hugely exaggerated, or fictitious.

    Over the years I have met many Thai women going to the UK voluntarily to be prostitutes. I know several Westerners, including posters on this board, that have been involved in this as well.

    I have never met a Thai that has admitted they were forced into being a pro in the UK. Funny that.
    Well then possessed of such information and personal experience as you are and being a citizen of the UK yourself then surely it's your obligation, no, your duty to expose this for what it is to the relevant authorities.

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    You can believe what you want, but there are tons and tons of police-reports and traffickers admitting to their crimes in courts of law in Europe, not just the words of prostitutes.

    There are different levels, this girl admits she knew that she left to work as a prostitute, what they usually don't know is that their passports gets taken away and the huge debts the traffickers make them pay off usually over several years of work, the girls that want to leave are often (not always) threatened by reprisals towards their family's in the home country.

    And most places in Europe the usual procedure was just to arrest the girls and send them home if they went to the police, that policy have been changed with some levels of protection in some cases.

    Others unlike this girl, are not told what their job will be and are beaten and coerced into prostitution on arrival, that happens regularly in the mafia controlled brothels on the continent, groups like Hells Angels are also into trafficking and the profits are the next biggest after drugs so we are talking about huge profits, billions every year.

    A Thai girl can be tricked in the way that she thinks that it will be a bit like working in a bar in Pattaya, but when she realises that's it is 5-7-10 costumers a day, and that she can not refuse a costumer or special wishes that she working back home would have done, some of them want to leave, but they cant because off the debts they have to pay off for their trip to Europe, the false marriage they often use to get visa or other ways like showgirl visas, so paying of the debts + interest + the usual fee detracted from the handlers for every costumer it can take as long as 5 years for a girl to have worked her way to freedom.

    By that time they are usually more or less used up anyway or hiv infected.

    Make no mistake this is serious criminal business and many many girls get murdered every year, especially by the Eastern Mafias the Russians Bulgarian and Albanians, others get beaten so badly that there is no chance whatsoever that the other girls dare give their pimps up to the police.

    You should read a book called McMafia by Misha Glenny a distinguished Historian and Journalist, who was the Central Europe correspondent for the Guardian and since for the BBC, he is regularly consulted by the US and European Governments on Central European policy issues, and assisted with the reconstruction of Serbia Macedonia and Kosovo, he now lives in London.

    I can understand the reasons for men not wanting to believe these things, and try to ridicule the problem, because the story about the rich happy hooker's is much more comfortable, but the facts of the matter is that if you frequent prostitutes in Europe and Israel and the middle east you are likely to be part of the problem and complicit in forced prostitution human trafficking and the horrors that come with that. Every fuvck is likely to be a rape that's just the facts of the matter.

    Eastern European and Asian girls are pressing the "good old home-grown" slappers out of business in most European countries and there are reasons for that.

    On my last visa trip to Penang there where 10-12 Kazakhstan prostitutes guarded by two big Russian Mafia guys, they held all the girls passports and they where commanded like soldiers, it was quite obvious what was going on, they service the Asian-Arab punters in Walkingstreet and is here on a turnover, when they cant stay here any-more they are sent elsewhere and a new lot is imported.

    These Girls will not tell the truth to any punters, and much less the police they are just to intimidated before they are let loose to work.

    Sorry lad's but some times the truth is ugly.


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    That's a sobering read Larv, if it wasn't coming from you I'd dismiss it out of hand.

    But I still find it hard to believe the problem is as big as politicians make it out to be. I'll try to read that book you've mentioned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorTud View Post
    I know several Westerners, including posters on this board, that have been involved in this as well.
    BB went home to sell his ass
    Still waiting on my first punter though, might have to consider lowering my £1,000,000 asking price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    On my last visa trip to Penang
    Pattaya?

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    ^^^^ No doubt there is human trafficking and forced prostitution going on, but the truth of the matter remains; nowhere in the story does it mention criminal gangs or 'mafia', nor does she say she was forced into it or against her will.

    The story states she entered prostitution of her own accord and went willingly to the UK where she paid £24,000 to those who arranged her visa.

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