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    Kirsty Jones's killer got away with it!

    It would certainly appear that someone, somewhere, is looking out for the killer of Kirsty Jones...

    Hunt for murderer of backpacker held up by Thai red tape
    By Stephanie Condron

    (Filed: 16/08/2006)

    Red tape is preventing British police from questioning witnesses to the murder six years ago of a backpacker in Thailand, officers said yesterday.
    This year, Thai police relaunched the hunt for the killer of Kirsty Jones, the daughter of a Welsh farmer, who was raped and strangled, after the original investigation was declared incompetent.
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    But eight months after saying that witnesses would be re-interviewed, the Thai authorities have yet to release the paperwork which would allow British officers to question witnesses in this country.
    Miss Jones, 24, from Brecon, Powys, had just graduated from Liverpool University and was on a world tour when she was murdered on Aug 10, 2000, at the Aree guesthouse in Chiang Mai.
    A string of suspects were charged or arrested, and subsequently cleared and released.
    Dyfed-Powys Police, who helped the Thai authorities to secure the killer's DNA, say they now have the "key" to the crime and it is vital that they be allowed to speak with witnesses to get the killer's name.
    According to the genetic profile, the killer is a local Thai man. Any of the British witnesses who were in Thailand at the time of Miss Jones's death might hold clues to his identity.
    Chief Insp Steve Hughson, of Dyfed-Powys Police, said: "There are witnesses back in the UK and we feel, and the Thais feel, there might be some merit in speaking to them now. In order to do that, on the Thais' behalf, we need a letter of request, an official document."
    Royal Thai Police are understood to have written to the Thai attorney-general months ago asking that British police be allowed to question witnesses, but permission has yet to be granted. Police want to question "two or three" Britons. But Mr Hughson said that, without official permission from the Thai authorities to question them, any evidence might not be deemed valid in a court case.
    Miss Jones's mother, Sue, said: "It is extremely frustrating."


    source: Telegraph | News | Hunt for murderer of backpacker held up by Thai red tape

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    Police the world over look after their own.

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    Hunt for Jones killer 'hindered'

    Red tape is preventing UK police from questioning witnesses to the murder six years ago of a backpacker in Thailand, officers were reported as telling London's Daily Telegraph yesterday.



    This year, Thai police relaunched the hunt for the killer of Kirsty Jones, the daughter of a Welsh farmer, who was raped and strangled in a Chiang Mai guesthouse, after the original investigation was declared incompetent.

    But eight months after saying that witnesses would be re-interviewed, authorities have yet to release the paperwork which would allow British officers to question witnesses in the UK.

    Jones, 24, from Brecon, Powys, had just graduated from Liverpool University and was on a world tour when she was murdered on August 10, 2000, at the Aree guesthouse in Chiang Mai.

    A string of suspects were charged or arrested, and subsequently cleared and released.

    Dyfed-Powys Police, who helped the Thai authorities to secure the killer's DNA, say they now have the "key" to the crime and it is vital that they be allowed to speak with witnesses to get the killer's name. According to the genetic profile, the killer is a Thai man. Any of the British witnesses who were in Thailand at the time of Jones' death might hold clues to his identity.

    Chief Inspector Steve Hughson, of Dyfed-Powys Police, said: "There are witnesses back in the UK and we feel, and the Thais feel, there might be some merit in speaking to them now. In order to do that, on the Thais' behalf, we need a letter of request, an official document."
    Royal Thai Police are understood to have written to the Thai attorney-general months ago asking that British police be allowed to question "two or three" witnesses, but permission has yet to be granted.

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    Hang on....

    WTF would the Thai Attorney General have to give permission for UK police to interview british witnesses on UK soil? Or is this just another piss poor piece of Nation reporting?

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    The original case if memory serves me correct was that some farang wanked off some thai guy and then spread his sperm over her naked body, obviously this really wasn't believable to the UK police so they believed it actually was a Thai Rapist and killer, But the Thai police weren't having any of that and believed it was a devious plot to give Thai killer rapists a bad name, thats when they came up with the story of some farang wanking off a Thai guy and spreading the Thai guys sperm all over her.

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    well yeah, makes perfect sense in Chiangmai I suppose....


    But, *WHY* do the UK police need permission from the Thais to interview people in the UK about it?

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    The Uk police dont need permission to question anybody in the UK, they may not answer or tell them to fok off but they can question anybody on a voluntary basis, it is just more Thai bullshite, like are you really gonna wank off some Thai guy before you kill and rape a farang girl?

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    Family to visit Thai murder scene

    Kirsty Jones was on a round-the-world backpacking trip

    The family of murdered backpacker Kirsty Jones is preparing to fly out to Bangkok as authorities announce they are to hold a full review of the case.
    The 23-year-old from Tredomen, near Brecon, was raped and strangled at a Thai guest house on 10 August, 2000.
    She was on a two-year trip round the world at the time of her death.
    Five years on from the murder, Kirsty's killer remains at large following an investigation by Thai police which has been heavily criticised.
    'Major breakthrough'
    Kirsty's mother Sue and brother Gareth will be accompanied by two officers from Dyfed-Powys Police in talks with Thai officials. They fly out of Sunday.
    Initially they will meet the Royal Thai Police and staff from the British Embassy in Bangkok, before visiting the Aree guest house in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand, where Kirsty was murdered.
    It will be the first time that Kirsty's family has visited the country in South East Asia.
    Kirsty was three months into a two-year trip around the world when was raped and murdered at the £1-a-night guest house.
    The police investigation has been dogged by incompetence with Thai officers criticised after the murder scene was contaminated and vital forensic evidence destroyed.
    Kirsty Jones' mother Sue is due to travel to Thailand


    Speaking before making her first visit to the scene of her daughter's murder, Sue Jones said: "We're going to Thailand because it's the fifth anniversary (of the killing) and because the Thai police have agreed to review the case.
    "This is a major breakthrough and one of the reasons why we're going".
    She added: "We're going to Chiang Mai to visit the guesthouse for personal reasons - we're going where Kirsty was."
    It is hoped the visit will spark new evidence which five years on could lead to the killer.
    "We are very grateful they (the Thai police) have agreed to do this", Mrs Jones added.
    She added that the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office had been "very supportive".
    Roger Williams, MP for Brecon and Radnorshire and a family friend, said: "I believe there's a change in Thailand at the moment.
    "The direction given to the Royal Thai Police is to get on and be aware that the murderer could be either a Thai national or a foreign visitor - not to leave any stone unturned and certainly not to draw any conclusions without the proper evidence being provided."
    During the investigation into Kirsty's murder, a number of men have been arrested but released without charge. Dyfed-Powys Police became involved in the investigation in September 2001 after Kirsty's family became frustrated at the way Thai police were handling the hunt for the killer. Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins said the meetings with Thai officials would provide "an opportunity to discuss the case and how the review will proceed."

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    Wasn't there a rumour sometime back that a well-known policeman nicknamed "Tony" was the perpetrator?

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    It was a rumour about a week after the event.

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    This must be a nightmare for the family involved you really got to feel for them.

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    Seems pretty clear. Thai man with connections rapes & kills girl.

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    Old newspaper file.


    Thai police officer 'may have killed backpacker'
    By Richard Savill

    (Filed: 15/01/2002)





    EVERY policeman in Thailand's northern capital of Chiang Mai may undergo DNA testing in the hunt for the killer of the backpacker Kirsty Jones, the head of the Thai tourist police said last night.
    Kirsty JonesMaj Gen Sanit Meephan's comment follows new information that a Thai policeman may have killed Miss Jones, 23, a graduate from Tredomen, near Brecon, who was raped and strangled with her sarong. Her partly-clothed body was found in a guest house in Chiang Mai 17 months ago.
    Mr Meephan said: "If necessary all the police officers in Chiang Mai will be made to undergo DNA testing. But it is better to narrow down a list of suspects first.
    "I believe that within 15 days we will be able to find out who was involved in the murder of Kirsty Jones."
    The new investigation is looking at four Thai tourist policemen and one Thai army officer with a reputation for prowling for Western women in bars near the night market in Chiang Mai.


    More links here. Telegraph | News | Thai police officer 'may have killed backpacker'

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    "I believe that within 15 days we will be able to find out who was involved in the murder of Kirsty Jones."
    How long is a Thai day?

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    Blair to push for justice over murder of Kristy Jones seven years ago

    Blair to push for justice over murder of Kristy Jones seven years ago

    London - UK's Prime Minister Tony Blair vowed Wednesday that the government would do all it could to support the investigation into the murder of a British backpacker in Thailand.



    Kirsty Jones, 23, from Brecon in central Wales, was raped and strangled while staying at a guest house in the city of Chiang Mai, northern Thailand, in August 2000.
    Her killer is still at large, despite the publicity surrounding her death.
    Her local lawmaker, Roger Williams, urged Blair in parliament to ensure fresh impetus for the case, expressing his concern about a "lack of progress" and "failure to follow up certain lines of inquiry".
    He called on Blair to meet him and the victim's family to ensure that "justice is delivered for the parents, and that Thailand is a safer place for young people to visit".
    Blair replied: "We have been closely involved with the authorities in Bangkok in trying to make progress on this case.
    "I know that Foreign Office officials continue to meet the family -- I think weekly -- and we will try to do everything we can to bring this to a proper conclusion.
    "I am happy to try and arrange some form of meeting. I'll have to come back to you as to whether that meeting should be appropriate with myself."
    Police originally took DNA samples from several suspects but said none of them matched the DNA found on Jones' body.
    The university graduate had spent three months backpacking in Thailand and was planning to move on to Australia as part of a two-year world tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Blair to push for justice over murder of Kristy Jones seven years ago

    Meeting the parents is a PR stunt, nothing else.

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    what ever happened about the 2 brits shot, i think, by a thai police .....man? in kanchanaburi a couple of years ago?

    thai justice and british / western justice just don't mix.

    not saying that thai law enforcers are xenophobic. or that thai people are not the most honest you would ever meet

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    I heard the copper did a bit of remand & now he's free.

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    ^^ that's what I read too.

    Wonder if he kept his job under the junta?

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    No unsolved murders in The UK? Shpuldn't they be a bit more concern to the folks living there? Not saying the case here wasn't bumbled and fucked up in every way but fer crissakes man, you wanna do something; clean up your own fuckin backyard.

    Is it an election year in THe UK??
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    ^unfortunately not. But it should be the last year we have Mr. Blair

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    I don't think that pressure to re-open the Kirsty Jones murder enquiry would come about without some new leads coming to light.

    That case was a local cover-up, someone paid for the investigation to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradthai View Post
    ...not saying that thai law enforcers are xenophobic. or that thai people are not the most honest you would ever meet
    You're not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    That case was a local cover-up, someone paid for the investigation to stop.
    Probably not paid, just the old boys in brown network.

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    ThaiVisa bars discussion of the Kirsty Jones case

    ThaiVisa has barred discussion relating to the Kirsty Jones murder case. For those who don't know Kirsty was a student travelling in Thailand. She was murdered in a guest house in Chiang Mai a few years back.

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    Sorry guys & gals, I am now closing this thread. We walk on extremely thim ice when discussion of KJ or Tony takes place. There are too many VIP invested interested interests and such discussion can be extremely bad for the health, even for Thai Visa.
    Chiang Mai's Citylife magazine did a very thorough and honest overview of this case some time back, didn't name any names but didn't pull any punches. Now a crappy internet forum bars even vague discussion.

    "Vested interests" Does this imply he knows who the murderer is. If so why not at least pass this information to the British police.

    "Bad for the health" Lovely, someone is murdered but lets not talk about it incase we upset the murderer.

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