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    Here is a write up of of the day I went to the university to find the professor.
    All I could get out of Tony about the professor after he kept turning up was he was a 'teacher' at the uni. and 'when a tree gets sick, the professor knows what is wrong with it' I had with me a thai guy, Jok , half chinese, a smart cookie, says he was 'learning able'. We fronted up to the faculty of agricultural and said the magic words 'when a tree gets sick', ect. and we were taken straight to his office.
    He had aged 3 or 4 years since I had last seen him and having stayed at his brothers guesthouse I knew straight away he looked like the inspector at the time of the murder. I took 8 seconds of video of him, but it was useless, the sun was coming through the window behind him and I could not see any features of his face. It was of no use, I even deleted it. I now had his name, well Jok did, and I knew where to find him, thats what I wanted. I accused him of trying to kill me like he killed the Welsh girl. He turned to Jok, taking out his phone to get Jocks phone number. I said to Jok 'I have what I want, lets go' The professors hand saw shaking slightly when holding the phone and he starting to get agitated while trying to find out Joks phone number. I left, Jok wanted to play policeman and stayed, I found my way to a coffee shop across the road from the uni. 10 mins. later Jok was on the phone, it was hilarious, Jok is a plump fellow, not fit, and he was running flat out, I could hear his flip-flops pounding the pavement 20 to 1, he was panting and puffing from running flat out, "get out of the university, its not safe to be in the university" he was shouting into his phone. The professor had built up rage until he had gone ballistic 'once again, I say' and put the wind up Jok.

    I need the idiots in the welsh police to tell me if the professor is no longer of any interest to them, then why did the professor go so ballistic as to put the wind up Jok.

    Now that we had his name what we needed to do next was to find out the inspectors name to cross reference him to the professor. Weeks later Jok went back to ch. mai to find the name of the inspectors guest house then went to the Ampur office to get his name. Bingo, the professor is the brother of the inspector at the time of Kirstys murder. What was next to find out to absolutely nail the professor was to find the name of a 'teacher' who went 'witness' in a police report published by Phairath Khampha. You can read that back on page 11. Jok knew a police lady where we were and was able to find out the 'teacher witness' name from Kirstys police records.

    BUT when Jok found out the professor was that 'teacher witness' he would not tell me. Thai 'culture' dictates that no thai rats on one of their own especially when it comes to murder of a farang by a thai. Talk about rubbing salt into a wound, if you thing that the professor going witness is not a contrived part of the tourist police cover up then you can shag me, and that aint about to happen.

    A year or so later I did find out that the professor was the teacher witness, it cost me some. I'ts an essay all of its own, I shall write it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrajpallan
    Thai 'culture' dictates that no thai rats on one of their own especially when it comes to murder of a farang by a thai.
    do you make up other "facts" too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrajpallan
    I need the idiots in the welsh police to tell me if the professor is no longer of any interest to them, then why did the professor go so ballistic as to put the wind up Jok.
    I am sure that they hang on your every word and they will be in touch with you very soon.

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    Mother of murdered Kirsty joins Foreign Office criticism
    Wed 9 Oct 2013

    The mother of a Welsh backpacker killed in Thailand is supporting a demonstration by other families who have had loved ones murdered abroad, about the way they are treated by the Foreign Office.

    Kirsty Jones was raped and strangled at a guesthouse in Chiang Mai in August 2000.


    Kirsty Jones' killer has never been found.
    Credit: Family photograph

    Her mother Sue Jones is upset that about how her Freedom of Information request, to have files on the investigation into Kirsty's murder released, has been treated.

    She says that the Foreign Office keeps telling her it is still considering her request, six months later, citing concerns that diplomatic relations may be harmed by the release of the information.

    More than 20 families from around the UK are travelling to London to demonstrate outside the Foreign and Commonwealth Office today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post

    the Foreign Office keeps telling her it is still considering her request, six months later, citing concerns that diplomatic relations may be harmed by the release of the information.
    WTF ???

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    And just why does this poor woman think the current FO crew are going to be any different to their predecessors?

    The British are all about gesture politics when it comes to expressing their delusional thinking about their international role and influence which in most instances resolves to American cock sucking and little else. In reality, Britain is quite insignificant and it is only in these types of cases does the truth of their powerlessness emerge. The incumbent ambassador, Mark Kent, is as likely to force the issue in this case as I have of flying to the moon - he wants an easy passage and like all of his ilk will do nothing that might rock the even tenor of his career.

    You may recall the Russian tourist and her companion who were mugged and sexually molested by a bunch of lowlife Thai in Pattaya nearly a year ago. She was a well educated woman, respected in her field and of some note in Russian society. Within 24 hrs the Russian embassy weighed in and sent a senior ranking official immediately down to Pattaya in order to personally liaise directly with the police and municipal government. The perpetrators were soon arrested.

    Contrast that performance with the ineffectual, limp wristed antics of successive ambassadors from Britain over the past 12 years in this case.

    Useless tossers and probably all poofs.

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    ^Very well put - could not agree more

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    Well done. You got a mention on AD's site...

    A newbie on Teakdoor has now been flamed on that site by the likes of Dr Andy (32000 posts and counting) and others on their KIRSTY JONES thread. He made some valid points about the case following the announcement that there is to be a demonstration at the FCO in London regarding the the diplomatic reaction to this 11 year old case. Why flame on a thread that is meant to be constructive? At least he is keeping the case on the front burner, as indeed does the Drummond site.

    I wonder what motivates some of these "keyboard warriors" as Andrew calls them. They must spend all day at their computers. Presumably amateurishly typing with one finger of one hand. I will leave others to speculate what they are doing with the other hand.

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    Dr Andy and can123, you are outnumbered four to one, setaputra, Bobcock and david44 have some idea how thailand operates.
    Drummond tells it as it really is about the botched tests issue. It will be interesting to know what information the foreign office is with holding from the mother.

    #302 setaputra
    I agree, Bobcock. It's interesting that Dyfed police are playing this the Thai way by praising what they've done right (however little) and not commenting on the mistakes or obvious cover up. That tactic may work with Thais. Embarrassing them - which Dyfed are advisedly not doing - certainly won't.

    #301 Bobcock
    That's why they invented this 'culture', means you give up and go away.
    Sometimes embarrasing them into action is the best way, but if your gamble doesn't work it's game over as they sit there blaming you.

    #321 david44
    Families who have never lived here do not comprehend impunity.

    @ david44,
    Unfortunately for Kirstys mother this is true. Kirstys mother in an email to me that the DSI promised to her on a visit to thailand, that they would catch the murderer. Looked her in the face and told her a bare faced lie. Whats worst the mother believed them, said she would bide her time until that happened. The DSI were actually complicit in helping the professor evade justice. Drummond yanked his page where he said the DSI conspired with the professor to botch his DNA test.

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    Actually there appears to be an unresolved DNA issue. Certain tests may have been botched. There is a reference on the Drummond site.

    "Subsquently DNA tests taken last year. Initially the University lecturer refused. But he later agreed. But the first set appears to have been botched. The results of the second set have not been revealed publicly. Perhaps they too were inconclusive. This may be an issue."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrajpallan
    Dr Andy and can123, you are outnumbered four to one, setaputra, Bobcock and david44 have some idea how thailand operates.
    Thank God for that ! It's a sobering thought to know that Dr. Andy is like me in some ways but that's better than being like the herd.

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    I hope I am very wrong when I say that her killer will never be brought to justice.

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    Drummond has published that the professor has submitted to a DNA test and is negative. However that is all he knows as the Welsh police refuse to communicate with him.
    "Dyfed-Powys Police never got back to me so I could clear up the matter quickly. It was as usual a one way arrangement."
    For myself I am not going to change my stance until the Brits have announced that they were present and have their own DNA sample for testing. This pair tried to take me out for what I stumbled upon and there aint any rules as to the way I have gone about things. The DSI knew my story well be fore I went public and did nothing. Dealing with the Thai legal system is like dealing with terrorists, there aint any rules.
    Just maybe this is what the mother is trying to find out also with her protest, along with 20 other family's, at the Foreign Office. Are the Brits going along with allowing of botching of the professors DNA for the sake of Anglo- Thai relations.

    Thou it is good to see that the mother is starting to go outside of the official line of inquiry. But alas she wont be looking at Teakdoor as she needs to have the Panarama program have another look at why the Tourist Police went to so much trouble to cover up the murder. Especially the abduction of the tour guide as reported by the French tourists and why the professor needs to go police witness, both of which are just 'rude'.

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    Here are Snippets I have found in forums about Tonys efforts to aid in the cover up.

    too true #29 Thaivisa Chiangmai forum "undercover tony"

    Posted 2007-05-03 08:46:16

    I'm sure I've posted this before, probably under a KJ thread. I've met this Tony guy. He came into a bar where I was sitting and talking to a Thai girl. He came over to us and said to her that he would give her 1000 baht to say that she knew that Andy had something to do with KJ's murder. I think he figured I didn't understand what he was saying, so I just kept my mouth shut and followed along. She had no idea what he was talking about so basically ignored him and he left. When I asked her who he was she said his name was Tony and he was a policeman.

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    Yes I was asked questions .........he was an undercover cop remember.

    But one odd fact was that when he left Aree GH that night he still had her room key in his pocket, which he gave to someone I happen to know but when she heard about the murder, she quickly gave it to someone else to dispose off.

    This one is an absolute GEM I would suggest here that the professor gave the door key to Kirstys room to Tony after he locked the door behind himself, do you think he would have left Kirstys door unlocked after he strangled and raped her. Seeing that the professor has gone police witness saying that he was there and said that he saw Andy Gill come out of Kirstys room when Andy wasnt even there, the Welsh police need to ask the professor where he actually was because Tony was seen outside having a fag by himself.
    The Welsh police must be thinking that Tony plucked the door key out of thin air.

    Here is four coincidences that happened in Chiang mai that add weight to my naming of the professor as the murderer.

    The professors elder brother, retired tourist police Inspector, head honcho for the Ch.mai district, guesthouse was further up the soi I was staying. When the inspectors wife drove past in her Benz she always cork-screwed her head looking at me every time she drove past. One time she even needed to toot the horn at me. At the time I could not work out why she did this as all I knew about her is that she was from the guesthouse that has bar girls hanging out there. Didnt have a clue that it was in connection with giving Tony the floppy about him at the Aree Guesthouse.

    In fact the guest house where I was staying closed down for renovations and I simply moved up the soi to the retired Inspectors guesthouse for a couple of months. Nothing happened while I was there as I was unaware of their connection to the professor and Kirstys murder and at this stage was not a threat to them because I could not work out why the professor kept turning with Tony. The professor stopped turning up with Tony when I repeatedly asked Tony why he was turning up. This relayed to them that I didnt have a clue about the murder hence nothing happened when I stayed at the Inspectors guesthouse.
    (years later when I went to the university to find the professor then I realized the connection)
    The Welsh police need to explain why the Inspectors wife paid all this attention to me out of the blue if they think the professor has nothing to do with the murder.

    2nd,

    As to Police statements that all Tourist Police were DNA tested, well that is just a lie as there are two officers that look like they could be relatives.
    I was sitting outside the Tourist Police office waiting for Tony to finish his shift and a Tourist Policeman (I have seen him many times before but this happened after I gave Tony the floppy and before the professor did his mystery phone call) with a facial features just like the professor came around looking at my bike. He wanted to know what bike it was, then he said he needed to do a message and wanted to borrow it. There were Police bikes lined up at the front of the office and I was baffled as to why he wanted to borrow my bike. He came back about 20 to 30 mins. later. Just enough time to ride to the University to show the professor what bike I ride. For me it is quite obvious why one who looks like he could be a relative of the professor needs to show the professor what bike I ride, I knew too much.

    3rd,

    I went to 'The Nation' office in Chaingmai to find a Journalist to talk to and when I came out another Tourist Policeman came out of a house across the road and wanted to know why I went into 'The Nation.' This Tourist Policeman is No.2 to the present Inspector and has the same facial features as the professor. So for me the professor has THREE relatives, in the Chaingmai Tourist Police at the time of the murder. And yet all of the tourist police were said to have been DNA tested, garbage, who was there to over see the tests when the professor's elder brother was head honcho of the tourist police at the time when the tests took place.
    These 2 coincidences would not have happened if I were not a 'person of interest' to these 2 tourist policemen for handing the floppy to Tony.
    Seeing that the Welsh police say they are no longer interested in the professor I need the Welsh police to explain why I was a 'person of interest' to these two tourist policemen that have a likeness to the professor.

    4th,

    Here's another one, you see if I am drawing too long a bow with this one. While at the guesthouse that closed down, Tony came to my room one afternoon and asked me to come party with him. He had a gathering, about 8, of other tourist police drinking there at the guest house. I didnt stay because I dont drink beer in the afternoon unless there is music and ladies to look at, aka the insidious 'sing a song coffee shops' But I did remember one face there, the marks on his face says he has been in many scraps, he looked like a 'street fighter'. Later on, I was down at Rayong staying at an apartment where a lass that works in the tax office also stays. Wouldn't you know it here is the 'street fighter' bringing her home from work each day. I asked her about him, she spat it out like it wasn't any problem that he has murdered many people and now he collects unpaid tax from people that dont want to pay their tax bill and in the night time he stays in the temple guarding the monks. Tony had set up a drinking party at my guest house in a guise to show me to the 'street fighter'. Hmm, wonder why.

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    this is worth bringing back up, just to compare the two cases of Koh tao and kirsty Jones murders.

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    Is this story recent or from last year?

    Can't find any updates in Brit papers.

    Breakthrough in murdered backpacker Kirsty Jones investigation

    Kirsty Jones 1According to the UK’s newspaper the Daily Mail British detectives have identified the man who raped and murdered Welsh backpacker Kirsty Jones in a Thai youth hostel.

    Two senior officers from Dyfed Powys police made the remarkable breakthrough by matching the DNA found on the sarong used to strangle her with a Thai suspect. It is thought that an arrest could even be made later this week much to the relief of Kirsty’s parents, Glyn and Sue Jones, who have been distraught that no one has been brought to justice for the death of their 23-year-old daughter.



    Armed with the scientific evidence, Superintendent Steve Wilkins and Detective Inspector Steve Hughson will travel to Bangkok tomorrow to meet with the Royal Thai Police detectives who drafted them in last year in a bid to track down the killer.

    Senior police sources told The Mail on Sunday that forensic scientists in Wales carried out DNA tests on evidence taken from Kirsty’s room in the Aree guest house in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand, where she was found dead in August 2000.

    Traces of the killer’s semen and skin cells were found on the sarong that was used to strangle the university graduate from Tredomen, South Wales. They said ‘Thanks to some very complex scientific tests we have a result that is positive. We have got the breakthrough that is needed in seeking the killer of Kirsty Jones,’ said a source. ‘We are taking that evidence out to Thailand where it will hopefully give the police the identity of the person responsible and lead to an arrest. ‘This development can only be good for Kirsty’s family who have waited a long time for this.’

    Kirsty JonesMr and Mrs Jones said last night that they did not want to comment on the latest developments. But a family friend said: ‘As far as they are concerned, this is part of an ongoing investigation. They are staying in touch with the police about developments.’ At the time of Kirsty’s murder, the Royal Thai police were accused of bungling the investigation. Officers failed to seal off the scene of the crime and vital evidence could have been contaminated.

    They arrested Andrew Gill, the British owner of the guest house, and charged him with conspiracy to rape and murder with a person unknown. The 33-year-old had not called police immediately after the discovery of Kirsty’s body because, he later admitted, he was worried about being arrested as his visa had run out. But Mr Gill was later released after the State Attorney decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed to trial. Crucially, there was no DNA to link him to the scene of the crime and he is now back in Britain.

    kirsty jones 4The manager of the guest house, Surin Chanpranet, was also quizzed and another eight suspects were asked to give DNA samples, but all were cleared of being involved. Then, last September, the Thai police accepted an offer of assistance from Dyfed Powys police, in particular with forensic tests. Officers returned from Thailand with samples from the murder scene, including the sarong.

    Kirsty had set off on a round-the-world trip in May 2000 after graduating from Liverpool University. She had always wanted to travel and began her adventure in Singapore and Malaysia before moving on to Thailand. It was there that she planned to meet her best friend, Rhianne Williams, and the two were going travel together for a month.

    Kirsty then intended to go on to Bali and Australia to meet up with her boyfriend who was working in Sydney. But she was alone when she stayed at the cheap and seedy guest house in the hills of Chiang Mai.

    http://www.samuitimes.com/breakthrou...investigation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    That is great news.

    There is also what should be a very worrying message there for the corrupt Thai Police/Govt. Don't even think about trying to fool the police of a developed country, you are decades apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    Two senior officers from Dyfed Powys police made the remarkable breakthrough by matching the DNA found on the sarong used to strangle her with a Thai suspect.
    Yes a truly remarkable turnaround Jacko. Especially given your insistence yesterday the the police observers here for the Koh Tao case, would have their asses handed to them by the RTP, just like they were in this case.

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    Interesting,pleasing to hear these old cases may eventually be solved and possibly lead to the conviction of the perpetrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    There was a whole thread on TV that appears to have been pulled. I wonder what all the sensitivity is about on this case. Would think it would be getting lots of press all over rather than just the Samui rags.

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    The chief suspect is a fairly hi-so local Thai chap, of advancing years, a professor at CMU and well respected.

    He avoided giving his DNA for sample because of his status right at the beginning of the investigation, and has been protected ever since, by Colonel Suthep Dejraksa, of CM police/forensics who claimed that somebody had gone out and acquired some sperm and introduced it into the crime scene.

    Colonel Suthep went on to become Commissioner or Region 5 Police.

    Things might change now if Suthep is further removed from the event.

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    Possibly when he's dead they may charge him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    The chief suspect is a fairly hi-so local Thai chap, of advancing years, a professor at CMU and well respected. He avoided giving his DNA for sample because of his status
    Well it can't be him then as the the break through has come through DNA samples. So if he 'avoided' giving a sample then...........

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    I can't find any reference to this breakthrough in local Ŵelsh papers, Dyfed Powys police media, national newspapers or on Andrew Drummond's blog site. The latter has of course maintained his interest since the beginning and is in touch with Kirsty Jones' mother.

    If it were a scoop then one would expect greater publicity. The professor " suspect " was apparently DNAd and proved negative in comparison tests. Of course there may have been some subterfuge in the sampling but I think the DSI were involved and not CM police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    And just why does this poor woman think the current FO crew are going to be any different to their predecessors?

    The British are all about gesture politics when it comes to expressing their delusional thinking about their international role and influence which in most instances resolves to American cock sucking and little else. In reality, Britain is quite insignificant and it is only in these types of cases does the truth of their powerlessness emerge. The incumbent ambassador, Mark Kent, is as likely to force the issue in this case as I have of flying to the moon - he wants an easy passage and like all of his ilk will do nothing that might rock the even tenor of his career.

    You may recall the Russian tourist and her companion who were mugged and sexually molested by a bunch of lowlife Thai in Pattaya nearly a year ago. She was a well educated woman, respected in her field and of some note in Russian society. Within 24 hrs the Russian embassy weighed in and sent a senior ranking official immediately down to Pattaya in order to personally liaise directly with the police and municipal government. The perpetrators were soon arrested.

    Contrast that performance with the ineffectual, limp wristed antics of successive ambassadors from Britain over the past 12 years in this case.

    Useless tossers and probably all poofs.

    We (the British) are so PC. Kent is on a nice little jolly here, why rock the boat?
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