Thaksin: Thailand Risks Failure

**SEA Traveler** · 20-09-2009, 08:25 PM

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Thaksin: Thailand risks failure

Thaksin's supporters, wearing red shirts, vowed to keep their protest peaceful [EPA]

Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand's former prime minister, has urged his supporters to bring him back to power, saying the country risks becoming a "failed state".
His comments on Saturday came in a live video link to about 26,000 Red Shirts rallying in the capital, Bangkok, to demand the resignation of Abhisit Vejjajiva, the current prime minister.
Three years after he was ousted in a bloodless coup, Thaksin told the crowds: "Our country has deteriorated and risks being a failed state.

"Our country has slid backwards. There is no justice in society." (Full Story:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/09/200991917141603366.html)

**Mr R Sole** · 21-09-2009, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by SEA Traveler

Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand's former prime minister, has urged his supporters to bring him back to power, saying the country risks becoming a "failed state".

As opposed to the police state that it was when he was in charge??? What is this pleb on.... why doesn't he tell "The truth today"? I want my money back beofre it's too late....

Originally Posted by SEA Traveler

"Our country has deteriorated and risks being a failed state.

Newsflash...Toxic my old fella....it always was...

I thought that it would get better after your ass was kicked out..... let's wait and see....you still command herds of sheep...just like the old days...and the P.A.D are a thorn in the side pf progress as well....

Unlikely the country 'is'/has descended into oblivion....and now your tourist industry is getting slated by foreign media.....

Gooooooooooooo Thailand...

**Takeovers** · 21-09-2009, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Newsflash...Toxic my old fella....it always was... I thought that it would get better after your ass was kicked out

That alone shows, how far off you are on reality. It never gets better, if a democratically elected and reelected government is kicked out.

No need to reply with that "bought vote" bullshit.

**Mr R Sole** · 21-09-2009, 01:20 PM

^ He did buy votes???!!!! WTF My wife and her family even took his money and still voted democrat....I don't agree with taking the money in the 1st place.. that's their Karma. Those were the days of TRT...after PPP came round to her house as well...they offered less.

Reality checked, thanks....

**mackayae** · 21-09-2009, 01:29 PM

I think Thailand has been handling failure quite well for quite some time.

**DrB0b** · 21-09-2009, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Originally Posted by SEA Traveler

Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand's former prime minister, has urged his supporters to bring him back to power, saying the country risks becoming a "failed state".

As opposed to the police state that it was when he was in charge???.

Police state? Are you insane? I've got no problem with disliking Thaksin but your hysteria just makes you look ignorant.

**puppy** · 21-09-2009, 03:54 PM

When vote-buying is the only thing that works to get the poor Isaan people on your side, Thaksin had very little choice.

There are 2 things nobody can deny:

1) Thailand was richer and happier under Thaksin

2) Thaksin was far more foreigner-friendly than Mark

Let's bring him back and see what he can do.

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

^ He did buy votes???!!!! WTF My wife and her family even took his money and still voted democrat....I don't agree with taking the money in the 1st place.. that's their Karma. Those were the days of TRT...after PPP came round to her house as well...they offered less.

Reality checked, thanks....

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Police state? Are you insane? I've got no problem with disliking Thaksin but your hysteria just makes you look ignorant.

short memory DrB ? don't you remember the early police raids to NGOs, Universities (Thamasat), newspapers (BangkokPost, The Nation) when Thaksin took the helm back in late 2001 and early 2002 ? that was the great purge, but your memory probably doesn't go that far

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

That alone shows, how far off you are on reality. It never gets better, if a democratically elected and reelected government is kicked out.

No need to reply with that "bought vote" bullshit.

and how much far off you are from Thailand reality ? Denying vote buying, aren't we ?

even though, it's not the sole argument against Democracy ala Thaksin, it does show how gullible a certain population of Thailand is, and that alone should be of concern if one was to believe and defend true democracy.

**DrB0b** · 21-09-2009, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Police state? Are you insane? I've got no problem with disliking Thaksin but your hysteria just makes you look ignorant.

short memory DrB ? don't you remember the early raids to NGOs, universities, newspapers when Thaksin took the helm back in late 2001 and early 2002 ? that was the great purge, but your memory doesn't go that far

What an absolute pile of shite

You got links for these raids on NGO's and Universities, Butterfly? Pictures of the jackbooted fascist thugs marching through the sacred halls of academe? I'm sure that panthamit would love to see them.

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What an absolute pile of shite You got links for these raids on NGO's and Universities, Butterfly? Pictures of the jackbooted fascist thugs marching through the sacred halls of academe? I'm sure that panthamit would love to see them.

ah, DrB, not surprised you don't remember those events ? when did you move to Thailand again ? 2005 wasn't it ?

ok let me google it for you, might be a tough one like that article about the judiciary process manipulation done by Thaksin and friends

**Mid** · 21-09-2009, 04:34 PM

two wrong make a right huh bf ?

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 04:56 PM

ok, DrB, try to learn from real independent sources, not your usual UDD crap, see below those links from scholars, political researchers and research organizations ...

first a nice essay by a French researcher, with a quick summary of Thaksin political success: http://www.ceri-sciencespo.com/archive/mai05/focdc.pdf

then a nice article from some political institute, they did a nice job summarizing the situation: The Downfall of Thaksin Shinawatra's CEO-state — Global Collaborative

third: another report from the lovely and compassionate Thaksin against Burma refugees NGOs

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/thai.../appendixb.pdf

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 05:39 PM

Thank god for ThaiVisa, they have a nice collection of old news, it's better than Google

Thailand Press Censure Debate
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thaila...ate-t4261.html

Press freedom 'eroded under Thaksin'
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Press-...sin-t4155.html

and here a few problems with the 1997 constitution:

PM untouchable under present charter
Pm Untouchable Under Present Charter - Thailand Forum

**DrB0b** · 21-09-2009, 05:46 PM

^None of those have anything to do with police-state raids. Where's the evidence for raids on NGOs, Campuses? Do you know what a police raid is, Butterfly? Do you even know what a raid is? Of course you do, you just prefer to lie.

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 05:48 PM

^ will find them, don't worry, yes a police raid, I am sure you will dishonestly discount them as soon as they will expose your complete ignorance of recent Thai politics

maybe you should focus on the ancient news

did you read the long article from that institute ? they seem pretty accurate in terms of historical events, you will probably learn a lot from it

PS: here is the link in case you conveniently forgot : The Downfall of Thaksin Shinawatra's CEO-state — Global Collaborative

**DrB0b** · 21-09-2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ will find them, don't worry, yes a police raid

Please do find them, I'm surprised you're having so much trouble finding them that you have to post unrelated articles. Also note that you said "raids", that's a plural. So you need to post your evidence of numerous physical raids orchestrated by Thaksin on press premises, campuses, and the offices of NGOs in late 2001/early 2002.

I really don't know why you bother with this mendacious claptrap when the real evidence for Thaksin's thuggery, crookedness, and brutality is so overwhelming. Is it that you're so allergic to the truth that even when it supports your case you have to avoid it?

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 05:54 PM

yes multiple raids together: campus, news room, and NGOs

I am sure you will start bitching and be all apologistic for your king Thaksin, like a battered wife

**Butterfly** · 21-09-2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I really don't know why you bother with this mendacious claptrap when the real evidence for Thaksin's thuggery, crookedness, and brutality is so overwhelming.

in the early days, there was still freedom of press, but after the few raids, the message was clear, and auto-censure was key. Of course, for the weak and lazy mind, they don't bother going that far back, it could expose the truth and their intellectual laziness

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Is it that you're so allergic to the truth that even when it supports your case you have to avoid it?

oh the irony

**DrB0b** · 21-09-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

two wrong make a right huh bf ?

The other bizarre thing is that Butterfly just invents the wrongs he talks about. When talking about a period when the Thaksin government was killing journalists and intimidating press owners and editors, when they were applying pressure to everybody who disagreed with TRT, I don't see the need to just invent stuff the way Butterfly does. Especially when the reality was as bad as it was.

**robuzo** · 21-09-2009, 07:34 PM

Thaksin come back and take power, with the hatred of him among a significant part of the population, suspicion of him amongst even a larger part, and his opposition knowing what kind of scores he'd be looking to settle- the kind of scores he would surely try to settle? I detest the Panthamit, but let's not forget whom we're dealing with here. The best his supporters can- or even should- hope for is that he makes it back one day as some kind of eminence grise. Otherwise, the idea that he could come back without a fight is crazy. It would tear the country apart, and for what? So another small man could find his balcony in SE Asia? Replacing one cult of personality with another, and this one without any moral or spiritual authority whatsoever. Really bad idea. I like my idea better.

**isanyokel** · 21-09-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Takeovers

That alone shows, how far off you are on reality. It never gets better, if a democratically elected and reelected government is kicked out.

No need to reply with that "bought vote" bullshit.

and how much far off you are from Thailand reality ? Denying vote buying, aren't we ?

even though, it's not the sole argument against Democracy ala Thaksin, it does show how gullible a certain population of Thailand is, and that alone should be of concern if one was to believe and defend true democracy.

Regardless of the gullibility of some of the electorate HE was democraticly elected.
' THEIR COUNTRY,THEIR BLOODY RIGHT'
They have been suppressed far tooo long by the BKK elite.They all buy votes,
they all are c---upt,and Butterfly your ranting just sounds like the prickly conceits of egocentric man.

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