Thread: Thailand : Thaksin is back

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ I failed to see the evidence of a judicial coup, unless you are in conspiracy theory of course

like the claim by you and DrB that the reds riot in April was all organized by the government

Certainly Butters, you almost have to understand that the UDD gatherings were underwritten by a more significant influence then the government....

I try to normally attack the content rather than the the poster. But in this case I have to make an exception.

Butterfly is so obsessed with his anti-Thaksin agenda that he fails to see the bigger picture.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

DrB, your only line of defense so far has been to point out the finger to the PAD.

Not defending anything, BF. Relax. Jai yen yen.

Originally Posted by Panda

I try to normally attack the content rather than the the poster. But in this case I have to make an exception.

Butterfly is so obsessed with his anti-Thaksin agenda that he fails to see the bigger picture.

no offense taken, panda

well, that's because he is mainly the source of the problem. It's a political battle about leadership, so logically certain leaders would be the focus of my attention.

there is no bigger picture to have here, I mean it's Thailand.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Panda

I try to normally attack the content rather than the the poster. But in this case I have to make an exception.

Butterfly is so obsessed with his anti-Thaksin agenda that he fails to see the bigger picture.

no offense taken, panda

well, that's because he is mainly the source of the problem. It's a political battle about leadership, so logically certain leaders would be the focus of my attention.

there is no bigger picture to have here, I mean it's Thailand.

On the contrary, there's always been a bigger picture. We just ignore it. is all.

^ God works in mysterious ways

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Butterfly

didn't Thaksin replaced all the judiciary with his own men ?

No. It was the CNS who did that. What all the accusations of Thaksin interfering with the judiciary actually boil down to is that he sued a lot of people for libel. That's it.

Wow, how's that Kool-Aid taste? Do you have posters of Thaksin above your bed as well?

How can a country allow a political party to exist when it is clearly lead by somebody who is;

1] out of the country.
2] has warrants for his arrest.

?????

I'm looking at this at grass root level. My outlaws are simple folk from the North East. They universally agree that Mr Toxin is a good man, a great leader and good in every way for Thailand. When questioned further it seems that they know nothing of the events leading up to Mr T's exile, the current political situation, or the fact that he is struggling to find a country that will have him.
They firmly believe that the people really in charge are the ones who pay the army, and it would seem that understanding the situation is so difficult that it's close to causing dukka.
Polititians controlling the illeducated masses, yes absolutely, but it's easy when the masses want to be controlled because that is the least stressfull of pathes.

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

I'm looking at this at grass root level. My outlaws are simple folk from the North East. They universally agree that Mr Toxin is a good man, a great leader and good in every way for Thailand. When questioned further it seems that they know nothing of the events leading up to Mr T's exile, the current political situation, or the fact that he is struggling to find a country that will have him.
They firmly believe that the people really in charge are the ones who pay the army, and it would seem that understanding the situation is so difficult that it's close to causing dukka.
Polititians controlling the illeducated masses, yes absolutely, but it's easy when the masses want to be controlled because that is the least stressfull of pathes.

You are exactly correct.

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

Polititians controlling the illeducated masses, yes absolutely, but it's easy when the masses want to be controlled because that is the least stressfull of pathes.

Well the least stressful path would seem to be to vote for the government party, that way your area can hope to gain from whatever handouts your MP garners when the budget cake is shared out. But the voters in the last two by-elections seem to have deviated from your script. How odd.

Si Sa Ket by-election goes to Thaksin supporter

By: BangkokPost.comPublished: 28/06/2009 at 09:21 PM The Puea Thai party easily won Sunday's by-election in Si Sa Ket province by a 3-to-2 margin, unofficial results showed.
With most of the vote counted on Sunday evening, the Election Commission announced that Surachart Charnpradit had defeated Chart Thai Pattana candidate Sakulthip Angkasakulkiat by more than 48,000 votes.
With counting almost complete at 9pm Sunday, the EC said Mr Surachart had 123,557 votes, to 75,420 for Mrs Sakulthip. Mrs Sakulthip immediately announced she was resigning from politics.
It was the second by-election win in the Northeast for Puea Thai in a week. The party won last Sunday's vote in Sakon Nakhon province by better than a 2-to-1 margin.
Fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra was credited by local observers with both victories. He remains popular in the region, and reportedly has personally made telephone calls from abroad to encourage local politicians to get out the Puea Thai vote.
Thaksin's sister Yingluck helped to run the Puea Thai campaign in Constituency 3 of the lower Northeast province of Si Sa Ket.
The by-elections were a key test of political strength in the Isan (Northeast) region. Local political powerhouse Newin Chidchob, from nearby Buri Ram province, had put his prestige on the line in the two by-elections in a bid to boost the Bhumjaithai Party, which he took into the Democrat-led coaliation government early this year.
Long considered a protege of Thaksin in national elections, Mr Newin apparently felt he could match and best his old mentor. Instead, Thaksin has crushed him in consecutive votes.

Maybe time to jump ship again for Newin?

Why?

Seems to me that everything is going according to plan, and Thaksin screwed himself, by overplaying his hand, for a rather insignificant little by-election.

This is what they wanted - overtly, everyone's got long faces, but I have a feeling that privately, Newin and Abhisit are high-fiving each other.

Thugsin will be Emperor before too long.

As much as I abhor the person, he's a million times more competent than the clowns currently pushing LOS into the abyss.

From what I can gather this 'election' if it can be called that...was really about two shades pf RED??? do you want Newin a slightly crimson affair..or...do you want a deep burgundy.....Both have a bitter after taste of not living up to promises in their manifesto...and cause horrendous acid stomach..after you realise that the claret was actually MUD..

Many Thai's go on about Thaksin's main achievements eg: the 30 baht health care scheme...Whoop de do...If you are out of your province...and get sick or have an accident...then there goes your 30bht scheme...(the scheming old dog) It no longer applies...SO your not technically Thai in another province then????

As many Issan people work in other provinces..eg in construction, then you'd of thought they would've cottoned onto this shocking blag!!!!

The 30 THB plan is a disaster, economically and for the users, but of course with brain dead people, it doesn't make much difference

if it was anything more than just a political play, it would be free for all Thai

also the previous plan that they had to scratch was only 100THB per month and would cover much more.

^ This is not true. Read my post above.

The fundamental problem with debating Thai politics (if one can call it that) is that neither side is remotely defensible. Their motivations are all corrupt, totally self-serving and morally bankrupt, to the core.

So it becomes a pure buffaloshit slinging match. Pointless.

^ True...

^^^ your post above has nothing to do with what I say above

the 100THB had better coverage, covered all the medicine needed, and you didn't even have pay 30THB for each visit if you were sick and needed multiple visits. The 30THB doesn't cover shit if you get really sick, you will have to pay all kind of small extras like better medicine, as they usually don't bother to medicate you with anything useful.

you might have successfully gone after the hospital for better service, but that's not how they operate routinely, and most Thai don't bother to go the extra mile.

So quoting an exception is a bit pointless as an argument that the 30THB scheme works

^ You don't seem to have seen the system in use, firsthand.

I don't want to belabour the point, but you are uninformed on this topic.

Originally Posted by watterinja

This is totally incorrect. A simple letter from the home-base hospital would allow the THB 30 benefits to be used at even the best government hospitals in BKK. I managed to extract something like THB 250k's worth of medical work for an upcountry lad who was partly lame, all on the THB 30 scheme. All it took was to go to all the trouble of using the scheme multiples of times & reams of photocopies - but, it was achievable. The boy's name is 'At' from Sakhon Nakkon - his family were very grateful - they don't have two beans to rub together... His mom was my deceased wife's sister.

Commendable.

This is interesting thank you....however who in the world knows this info' but you??...My wife had no idea about this and the hospital didn't inform us either...to a cost of 27,000 baht....no photocpoier insight either...

I hazard a guess that the majority of Thai's don't know this either...and doubtless can't use a photocopier either... Sorry had to take the pis* at the end...it's in my nature to try and laugh at this country and others for their flaws and ridiculous laws..

Hey I should be a poet...