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    Thailand : Loophole clouds Santika charges

    Loophole clouds Santika charges
    9/01/2009
    Supoj Wancharoen

    The owner of the fire-ravaged Santika pub -- described as a "deathtrap" -- may escape charges for violating the Building Control Act through a legal loophole.

    As the pub was not a ``controlled building'' under the law, it was not required to have a fire control system or emergency exits, according to the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration's public works department.

    Chatnai Navaphut, chief of the public works department, yesterday revealed the building was originally registered as a private residence, but its owner later requested a change in the building type to an entertainment venue.

    Mr Chatnai said he had no idea whether the request had been approved by the Metropolitan Police Bureau which is in charge of issuing entertainment business licences.

    A source from the BMA's public works department said although there were concerns the pub building had a number of safety flaws, the owner was unlikely to face charges for breaking the Building Control Act.

    ``Santika pub's building is neither a large building nor a high rise, therefore it is not required to have fire escapes and exits,'' the source said.

    The City Hall clarification over the building's status came after engineering and architectural experts pointed the finger at Watthana district office, which granted the construction permit for the pub which opened in 2005.

    They said the construction permit issued by the district office held the key for pinpointing who should be responsible for the fire that killed 64 revellers and injured 68 others.

    Under the Building Control Act, buildings categorised as private accommodation are not required to adhere to the same rigid safety regulations as entertainment venues.

    The district's construction permit would reveal if the pub building had been used for the purpose listed in the permit and if the building owner followed safety regulations issued for a certain type of building, they said.

    Watthana district officials yesterday refused to give details about the construction permit, saying the document was issued during the term of the previous district chief.

    One official said the office could not even find a blueprint of the pub building, submitted for construction approval.

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    predictable ....

    and sad

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    surely he can then be convicted of running an illegal entertainment venue
    Fined the revenue from 3 years takings?

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    "The club was not a controlled building" what the f*ck does that mean? It was an entertainment venue although it had been registered as a house. When it was changed was there not a requirement to ensure that it had a Fire Control System and the proper amount of safety exits.
    I can feel a cover up here similar to the Phuket air crash!!
    Smoke and mirrors in Thailand truly f*cking amazing.
    "Don,t f*ck with the baldies*

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    First time I have ever done this but lost for words!


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    They will wheedle their way out through a loophole like the scum that they are. May they rot in hell & the maggots eat their eyeballs!!!

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    Read 3 lines and then burst out laughing.

    This was always going to be the result.

    Wankers.

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    No fuck it......... I can just imagine some of the parents who are burying their children will welcome these rumours/ news.

    If the owner was a 'TRUE THAI' he would be drawn and quartered by now!

    Loopholes.................This country is going to strangle itself with their fucking loopholes.

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    Brilliant - I'll buy a big building, register it as a house, and then make sure to change it to a giant rave club. I'll call it 'The Death Trap', and surely it will be very popular. Seems you have at least 3-5 years before anyone takes notice.

    I love Thailand.

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    Surely this comes as no surprise - business as usual. Lots of money will change hands, and the scumbag will go free. TIT.

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    What did people really expect? Justice? If so I suggest you take your head out of your arse and remember where you are.

    He will have negotiated his 'punishment' which will be a financial payment to the authorities or he will have connected friends that have indicated he is not to be punished for his crimes.

    That's the way it works for the rich and connected here. We've seen it a thousand times before. They don't know the meaning of responsibility, culpability or blame.

    They are the most greedy, deceitful and dishonest people I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
    Mortals you defy the Gods, I sentence you to travel among unknown stars, until you find the Kingdom of Hades, your bodies will stay as lifeless as stone.

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    12 year jail sentences handed down for alleged 'Lese Majeste' and the person(s) responsible for the mass killing of dozens of innocent party-goers get off with a slap on the wrist and a wee greet in front of the cameras at the Police station.

    This is Thailand! You don't like it go HOME!

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    I suppose any suggestion of an 'action group' (most approipriately set up by families blighted by this tragedy) would not get off the ground here due to lack of Thai will and fear? If this new Prime Minister is to stand against corruption (I think this is what I have read) then someone needs to put pressure on him to use this case as a start on such moral high ground.

    I know it is probably just wishful thinking but it needs someone or some group to take a lead. Building erected as a private residence and run as a night club...unbelievable that they could get away with it. In my view the club owner and the appropriate authorities are equally to blame and heads should roll.

    Probably out of my depth here, not being Thai.

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    I know it is probably just wishful thinking
    Yep.

    This mess will be swept under the carpet and they'll promise to sort out all the clubs in the future. And the next time a fire comes along and kills people in a death trap building, the broom will come out again. And so it goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ossies
    If this new Prime Minister is to stand against corruption (I think this is what I have read) then someone needs to put pressure on him to use this case as a start on such moral high ground.
    He's not that bothered about corruption now he's used that accusation to eliminate most of his opponents and get his unelectable party into office. He can't be serious anyway, previous Democrat governments have been riddled with corruption and there's more than a whiff of it in his current administration.

    He's got more important things to worry about with the imminent collapse of the Thai economy, political instability, lack of 'national unity' and unrest in the South. Oh, and there's the all important task of punishing Lese Majeste which seems to be a high priority these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by ossies
    unbelievable that they could get away with it.
    In Thailand it is perfectly believable.

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    ^^^ Agree but will never happen.

    I expect copious amounts of monies has already changed hands!

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    Moral of this story is these people have no concept on the ideals of right or wrong. There corruption knows no bounds!!
    If I had lost any of my children in the night club fire, believe me when I say there would be no hiding place for the owner. I would kill him one way or the other and f*ck the consequences.

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    Will the 64 families affected by this tragedy just take all this lying down, or will a few thousand baht dispel their grief.

    Whatever, it is disgusting.

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    I think it went something like this:

    "But i've been paying bribes to you guys - the police , for over 3 years now. You said it was 'no-problem'"

    Police: "hmmmm, well, maybe we don't have to charge you after all..."

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    ^^
    Pay them off as is the norm in Thailand who gives a f*ck about 60 odd human beings being burnt to a crisp when mummy and daddy are hi-so from Bangkok and have the Police and the local government officials in their pocket.
    Sounds about right though I have no proof.

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    ^But that's exactly what I'm wondering: If the victims parents are hi-so, shouldn't that result in more pressure ? Or will they just ask for substantially more money than poor people ? Difficult to imagine really on a moral level as my parents would raise hell to get some form of 'justice', so would I if I had kids. But I know.. things are different here, and few people really expected anything else than what we read above..

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    With the involvement of Foreign (Farangs) deaths at the scene i should imagine there is a way for the International Courts of Justice to become involved - on their behalf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    The owner of the fire-ravaged Santika pub -- described as a "deathtrap" -- may escape charges for violating the Building Control Act through a legal loophole.
    That law when passed was only for an added leverage for the collection of corruption/graft protection money and to make it easier to get with the threat, and was never designed to be enforced, same as any law that is on the books here.

    Quote Originally Posted by CharleyFarley
    or will a few thousand baht dispel their grief.
    You know it will, As a small amount of money is all that is expected by a Thai, as has been said, You can fuck their wife or daughter or Bugger their son and smash their car, as long as you will pay a tad of money for the privelage..A Thai will do anything for cash.

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    ^^
    Thais dont care about the International Courts. They would give the international courts the run around for years.
    Look at the Phuket plane crash there is still fall out from that which has not been resolved and the airline that was involved is now back in operation.
    I don,t trust any of these people at all.

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    I think part of the problem is that it is in the Thai psyche to just accept their lot. I have this problem with my girlfriend who when something happens where she is unfairly treated at work she just accepts it as the way due to her 'low position'. It winds me up that she does not stick up for herself in that situation even though on a day to day basis she would be considered far from being meek and mild.

    In essence I think that in a situation where a Thai deals with authoirty they need to be 'educated' that they don't just have to accept their lot and keep quiet but how that is done and from where/whom I do not know.

    I suppose it is just in bred in Thai society to the benefit of the supposed powerful classes.

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