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    At least 85 killed on flight from Thailand to South Korea.

    South Korea plane crash: At least 85 killed as Jeju Air aircraft crashes as Muan International Airport - BBC News

    The crash took place at South Korea's Muan International Airport in the south of the country.

    The medium-sized international airport opened in 2007, and has routes to several countries in Asia.


    The Jeju Air flight 7C2216 had been carrying 175 passengers and six crew on a flight from Thai capital Bangkok. It landed shortly after 09:00 local time, South Korea's transport ministry said.

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    Now updated to two survivors out of 181.

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    The airport would seem to be very poorly designed for crash landings.

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    Yeah, I got that wrong. I, at first thought, the mound was at the side of the runway but have since learned it was at the end of the runway.

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    Very strange accident. No idea what could have caused this.

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    My wife and daughter flew back from there last year , while tracking their flight I was astonished to learn it was the one of the airport is one endpoint of the world's busiest airline route, Jeju to/from Seoul-Gimpo. In 2023 over 13.7 million passengers traveled on that route.Due to the airport operating far beyond its designed passenger capacity, it was announced in 2023 that Jeju's second airport would be constructed in Seongsan-eup, near the southern city of Seogwipo. This US$5.1 billion project has faced significant delays and controversies due to concerns the airport would negatively impact Jeju's groundwater sources, as well as protected species living in the area.

    RIP

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    Rear undercarriage either collapsed or failed to deploy then it crashed into a brick wall.Video on twitter.
    https://x.com/thestandardth/status/1...koSnZQh0g&s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
    Rear undercarriage either collapsed or failed to deploy then it crashed into a brick wall.Video on twitter.
    https://x.com/thestandardth/status/1...koSnZQh0g&s=19
    It looks like the front wheels weren't down either.

    Only two of 181 survived: one passenger, one crew.

    "Transport ministry officials have revealed a critical six-minute sequence before the crash, reports Yonhap News. At 08:57, air traffic controllers warned the approaching aircraft about bird strike risks. One minute later, at 08:58, the pilot declared a “mayday”. The plane attempted to land at 09:00 and crashed at 09:03.

    One of the two surviving crew members has reportedly corroborated initial theories about the cause, telling rescue workers immediately after being pulled from the wreckage that the aircraft had experienced a bird strike, according to fire officials."

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    ^ I can't see how a bird strike caused this, unless it led to multiple system failures. Single engine failure should not have been an issue.

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    No time to go around and burn up fuel ? That fireball was pretty big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ I can't see how a bird strike caused this, unless it led to multiple system failures. Single engine failure should not have been an issue.
    What about the "Miracle on the Hudson"?

    Dual engine failure due to bird strike.

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    Last edited by harrybarracuda; 29-12-2024 at 05:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Dual engine failure due to bird strike.
    I'm not sure.

    Another possibility is the No2 Engine went into reverse thrust after bird strike and crew had problems controlling aircraft. Perhaps it took both of them to keep it on track and so manual gear override was not possible. However, I'd still have expected flaps extended to get as slow as possible before landing.

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    Bird strike, engine failure, chaos in the cockpit, didn't hear alarm for landing gear, forgot to put the landing gear down. Should have shut that engine down pulled out of the landing, gone around whilst 2nd pilot dealt with failure warnings, third pilot, if they randomly one on the flight and if they didn't then the head of cabin, visually inspect the engine and fuselage from an economy window for damage report, report back to captain, go around, complete all failure checks, landing gear down and land. Meanwhile fire service on the runway and possibly spray the runway and engine as plane comes to a halt.

    Bird strike could have definitely caused as issue with flaps as well.

    Landing gear can be lowered manually as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ I can't see how a bird strike caused this, unless it led to multiple system failures. Single engine failure should not have been an issue.
    Yea if they still had the single engine, they should have gone around and dealt with the failures first but at this stage who knows.

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    ^Someone's been watching too much Air crash investigation.

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    Whatever led to it, they touched down a long way down the runway travelling very fast with no landing gear, and apparently with a fuck off ILS antenna right in front of them.

    Sounds like the archetypal combination of a lot of factors.

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    Some facts from a non-sexpat in the aviation industry...

    I would like to extend my deepest condolences to the victims and offer my heartfelt sympathies to their families.

    Please note, the following account is based on reports from local Korean media, and more accurate details may emerge as additional information becomes available. It seems the media has not yet recognized the fact that the 737 cannot jettison fuel, likely due to the immediacy of the incident.


    Jeju Air Flight 7C2216 Incident Summarized by Local Media

    *Scheduled Arrival from Thailand to Muan Airport at 08:30 AM

    - At approximately 08:20 AM, during the landing approach at an altitude of 200 meters, the aircraft collided with a bird. The right engine caught fire.
    - The captain aborted the landing, raised the nose of the aircraft, and began circling above the airport while communicating with the control tower to attempt a second landing.

    *Second Landing Attempt at Approximately 09:05 AM

    - Dedicated firefighting authorities were on standby near the runway.
    - The engine system deteriorated further, causing a complete loss of electronic and hydraulic controls. The landing gear failed to deploy.

    *Emergency Decision
    - If the landing gear malfunction had been detected earlier, fuel could have been jettisoned, and the runway could have been treated with friction-reducing and flame-cooling materials. However, time was critically short.
    - With the fire from the right engine spreading into the aircraft and smoke and toxic gases entering the cabin, there was no time to attempt a third landing. The captain made the urgent decision to proceed with an emergency belly landing.

    *Final Landing
    - The aircraft's approach angle and manual adjustments by the captain were adequate. However, deceleration depended entirely on reverse thrust from the wings, and the loss of steering control posed significant limitations.
    - The aircraft eventually collided with the protective wall at the end of the runway, which is designed to minimize damage to nearby residential areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    Some facts from a non-sexpat in the aviation industry...
    That's a bit odd, Reg.

    Issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    the runway could have been treated with friction-reducing and flame-cooling materials.
    Too much friction was not the problem ▼

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    The aircraft eventually collided with the protective wall at the end of the runway
    The wall was the problem, should not be there

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    Noddy Holder could diagnose this one.

    The wheels ain't coomin down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    Some facts from a non-sexpat in the aviation industry...
    Who appears to have made a lot of shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molle View Post
    The wall was the problem, should not be there
    You wouldn't say that if you were with Harry in the blowjob joint behind it at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    You wouldn't say that if you were with Harry in the blowjob joint behind it at the time.
    Reg are you only going to post shit in this thread or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molle View Post
    The wall was the problem, should not be there
    Pictures show the wall quite intact.

    There was a fucking great mound in the way with an antenna on it.

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