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    Indonesia set to pass new criminal code that will ban sex outside marriage

    Indonesia is expected to ratify sweeping changes to its criminal code on Tuesday, senior officials confirmed, in a legal overhaul that critics say could wind back hard-won democratic freedoms and police morality in the Southeast Asian nation.


    Among the most controversial revisions to the code are articles that would penalise sex outside of marriage with up to one year in jail, outlaw cohabitation between unmarried couples, insulting the president, and expressing views counter to the national ideology, known as the Pancasila.


    Deputy speaker of the House of Representatives, Sufmi Dasco Ahmad, and Bambang Wuryanto, head of the parliamentary commission overseeing the revision, told Reuters on Monday that parliament would hold a plenary session on Tuesday to ratify the new code.


    The government and House of Representatives have agreed on the draft code, clearing a hurdle to its passage.


    Decades in the making, the revision of the country’s colonial-era penal code has sparked mass protests in recent years, although the response has been considerably more muted this year.


    Parliament had planned to ratify a draft new code in September 2019, but nationwide demonstrations over perceived threats to civil liberties halted its passage.


    Legislators in the world’s third-largest democracy have since watered down some of the articles deemed most contentious.


    Revised articles on sex outside marriage and cohabitation, for example, now state such complaints can only be reported by close relatives such as a spouse, parent or child, while insulting the president can only be reported by the president.


    But legal experts and civil society groups say the changes don’t go far enough.


    “This criminal code is a huge setback for Indonesia,” said Bivitri Susanti, a law expert from the Indonesia Jentera School of Law.


    “The state cannot manage morality,” she said. “The government’s duty is not as an umpire between conservative and liberal Indonesia.”


    Articles on customary law, blasphemy, protesting without notification and expressing views divergent from the Pancasila were all legally problematic because they could be widely interpreted, she said.


    Once ratified, the new code will come into effect after three years as the government and related institutions draft related implementing regulations.

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    Cohabitation and sex outside marriage are already frowned upon. So no change there. Maybe the changes are for the better because they are clarifying who can instigate a complaint.

    Revised articles on sex outside marriage and cohabitation, for example, now state such complaints can only be reported by close relatives such as a spouse, parent or child,
    This sounds problematic as Muslims may have more than one wife whereas Christians cannot. So if a Muslim wife complains, she may then end up with a new family member.

    It is also possible that this is a relaxing of the laws. Now "curtain twitchers" cannot instigate a complaint but a pregnant daughter's family can.
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    Thankfully Bali exists in a bubble.

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    Such a lovely country

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Such a lovely country
    It is. Nice people, some beautiful scenery, sunshine and palm trees, but can be a bit grubby in places. Street food is not up to Thai standards, but i don't generally eat that either.

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    I believe you

    My comment was about their "politics", but I forgot the sarcastic smiley.

    Sorry

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    Why?

    Infantile posts get you obviously obvious worked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Why?

    Infantile posts get you obviously obvious worked up.
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    oh yeah

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    From what I have read the new law can be applied to tourists and foreign residents.

    That will be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    From what I have read the new law can be applied to tourists and foreign residents.
    They weren't particularly overjoyed with cohabitation, when I lived there. Had to send the girl home in tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post


    I believe you

    My comment was about their "politics", but I forgot the sarcastic smiley.

    Sorry
    No reason to be sorry, yours was a perfectly reasonable reaction. I thought of exactly the same when I read the article.
    A country can be beautiful and it's people wonderful and still be a shithole. Though I think I would disagree with the "people wonderful" , wonderful people do mot allowed such behavior and laws.
    Some might say , that the people don't have much choice.
    I disagree, some people have no choice but when a preponderance acquiesce... How wonderful can they be?
    Then IMO for the most part they are not wonderful.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    From what I have read the new law can be applied to tourists and foreign residents.

    That will be interesting.
    The first case of an unmarried couple getting prosecuted in Bali under this pathetic law will make a big dent in their tourist industry.

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    It will also mean hotels will be able to ask for copies of your marriage certificates at check in (some already rounded the mistaken belief that Thai already was a law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    (some already rounded the mistaken belief that Thai already was a law)
    ? WTF

    I've had a couple Willy but are you using my Thesaurus?

    As gay marriage of Indonesians banned, this effectively limits cohabitation disproved of by conservative parents etc.

    Will they recognise foreign same sex couples.

    Must be good news for competing places like Vietnam and here, where I read assault and rubbery is in grate demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    It will also mean hotels will be able to ask for copies of your marriage certificates at check in (some already rounded the mistaken belief that Thai already was a law)
    Umm...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The first case of an unmarried couple getting prosecuted in Bali under this pathetic law will make a big dent in their tourist industry.
    They won't kill the goose. These primitives are pretty fukin stupid but there is a limit, of course as Mussies they are excused fukin young boys before either marriage, the age of non-consent or lets face it any time they feel like buggery - dirty medieval cvnts, the Oirish are a close second.

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    Perhaps instead of wedding certs they'll just put bromide with fluorine in all the beverages and no sex at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    They won't kill the goose. These primitives are pretty fukin stupid but there is a limit, of course as Mussies they are excused fukin young boys before either marriage, the age of non-consent or lets face it any time they feel like buggery - dirty medieval cvnts, the Oirish are a close second.
    Bali is not Muslim. Check your biases at the door.


    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    It will also mean hotels will be able to ask for copies of your marriage certificates at check in (some already rounded the mistaken belief that Thai already was a law)
    Some hotels already do ask for copies of your marriage certificate at check in. In my opinion the problem will not be authorities prosecuting an unmanned couple but the wider fallout where every petty little village chief or posse of morality women/men in each village will be emboldened to vigilante enforcement of this new law…



    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    ? WTF

    I've had a couple Willy but are you using my Thesaurus?

    As gay marriage of Indonesians banned, this effectively limits cohabitation disproved of by conservative parents etc.

    Will they recognise foreign same sex couples.

    Must be good news for competing places like Vietnam and here, where I read assault and rubbery is in grate demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Some hotels already do ask for copies of your marriage certificate at check in.
    The wife and I stayed at the Bangkok Christian Guest House(off Silom) two times.

    First time out of convenience, cause she was going to the hospital next door.


    They were somewhat sceptic about letting us in, looking as farang/whore and all.

    Had to explain them about christian hospitality



    Yes

    I insisted on staying there one more time, cause I am a ............contrarian, and I fancied the way all those christian missionaries looked at me at breakfast, well knowing that the wife just finished riding me ...happy !


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    Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist… they all share similar levels of intolerance.

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    Don't forget us atheists

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Don't forget us atheists

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