Thread: Indonesia set to pass new criminal code that will ban sex outside marriage

Generally speaking

Generally speaking you are a complete cock

Chicken

Originally Posted by Norton

Indonesia has scores of silly laws but like Thailand no matter cuz it's enforcement that matters innit? Like Thailand just another income opportunity for the local BiBs.

Anyone who has spent anytime in Surabaya where, in spite of the law, debauchery in all flavors abounds know this. Or so I've been told.

I have been told the same.
Reading the full text (translated) it could be up to 3 years before any change is implemented? The rumored 200m Muslims are not all Aceh based hard liners anyway. As Norton rightly points out, enforcement is the main issue.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Not recognized in Indonesia.

Good to know. Never thought of iy in that way before. If you are white and non Indonesian, the authorities just assume you are a christian infidel.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist… they all share similar levels of intolerance.

Anyone who has lived in the sandpit can tell you that, in most of the countries, the only time adultery laws get wheeled out are when

- someone (usually an aggrieved spouse) files a complaint
- the police want a stick with which to beat someone who has pissed them off

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Anyone who has lived in the sandpit can tell you that, in most of the countries, the only time adultery laws get wheeled out are when

- someone (usually an aggrieved spouse) files a complaint
- the police want a stick with which to beat someone who has pissed them off

No lies detected there. Same with alcohol. I've never been in a country where half an aisle at the supermarket is stocked with 100% grape juice. Wonder why? lol

Originally Posted by helge

The wife and I stayed at the Bangkok Christian Guest House(off Silom) two times.

First time out of convenience, cause she was going to the hospital next door.


They were somewhat sceptic about letting us in, looking as farang/whore and all.

Had to explain them about christian hospitality



Yes

I insisted on staying there one more time, cause I am a ............contrarian, and I fancied the way all those christian missionaries looked at me at breakfast, well knowing that the wife just finished riding me ...happy !

What a total weirdo.

Originally Posted by happynz

No lies detected there. Same with alcohol. I've never been in a country where half an aisle at the supermarket is stocked with 100% grape juice. Wonder why? lol

Barbican alcohol free lager used to do very well in Saudi, but I think they eventually tumbled as to why.

Originally Posted by cyrille

What a total weirdo.

Even the Atlanta has reduced its moralistic snobbery to a few pictures.

Originally Posted by david44

Must be good news for competing places like Vietnam and here

I see the Australian press have already labelled it the Bali Bonk Ban. It will surely have some travellers looking to Vietnam and Thailand.

Originally Posted by Switch

I have been told the same.
Reading the full text (translated) it could be up to 3 years before any change is implemented? The rumored 200m Muslims are not all Aceh based hard liners anyway. As Norton rightly points out, enforcement is the main issue.

Agreed, but legal enforcement and vigilante mob enforcement are two different things. I’ve twice seen curtain twitching mobs form to remove a female (one a lady of the night, one a long term girlfriend) from a residents house.

They tried similar years ago. This diluted format relies on relatives to pursue prosecution.

Ideal blackmail opportunity for some Muslims?

Originally Posted by Switch

They tried similar years ago. This diluted format relies on relatives to pursue prosecution.

Ideal blackmail opportunity for some Muslims?

Islam has a temporary marriage. As long as they are shagging fellow Muslims, and the women aren't married, it shouldn't be a problem.

Something to be tested in court.

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Bali is not Muslim. Check your biases at the door


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I know that you arse bandit but I assume Bali is still constitutionally Indo. In any case tourism isn't confined to Bali.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Islam has a temporary marriage. As long as they are shagging fellow Muslims, and the women aren't married, it shouldn't be a problem.

Something to be tested in court.

Never heard of the 'temporary Islamic marriage'. Anyway, even if it becomes law, there will be a 3 year period of legal acclimation before any prosecution is accepted. Still possible it could be reversed. It is aimed at giving hard line Muslims the chance to pursue legal means instead of public floggings etc. (Appeasement).

Originally Posted by Switch

Never heard of the 'temporary Islamic marriage'. Anyway, even if it becomes law, there will be a 3 year period of legal acclimation before any prosecution is accepted. Still possible it could be reversed. It is aimed at giving hard line Muslims the chance to pursue legal means instead of public floggings etc. (Appeasement).

Nikai mutah. Common in Bogor and Puncak, usually for two week holidays, catering for Arab tourists.

Three years for official enforcement but you can bet your last rupiah that the losmens, hotels and AirBnBs will start unofficial enforcement earlier .

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Nikai mutah. Common in Bogor and Puncak, usually for two week holidays, catering for Arab tourists.

Three years for official enforcement but you can bet your last rupiah that the losmens, hotels and AirBnBs will start unofficial enforcement earlier .

Similar to the law they tried to introduce before. As a secular democracy, (officially) the Indonesian Gov would prefer radicals like in Aceh, to go down the legal route. Prevents them using Sharia punishments like public floggings and worse.

No idea if it will work or not, but it's not my country. I think it just tempts corruption.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Err... No. I thought you were more traveled than that, Willy. How many gay men would walk arm in arm comfortably in a predominantly Muslim country compared to all other countries with predominating religions? What countries with an overwhelming religious majority disallows inter religious marriage apostasy or "blasphemy"? How many muslims can walk through St Peters and how many of other faiths can go to Mecca? In which religious countries would you be most unlikely to criticise the local religion? In what provinces in Thailand Indonesia or the Philippines would you be most likely to be in danger as a gay couple or an un married hetero couple or even a self professed atheist school teacher. Rather an ignorant uninformed statement. I will spare you the dreary bs flag.

You're not even safe in Switzerland...


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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Thankfully Bali exists in a bubble.

Many of these laws don't apply to foreigners. Many don't apply to non-Mulsims.

Originally Posted by TTraveler

Many of these laws don't apply to foreigners. Many don't apply to non-Mulsims.

The laws apply equally to all residents. The fact is, they are aimed at appeasement of ultra Conservative Muslims.

If you are not Muslim, and the person checking you and your girlfriend into a hotel is a conservative Islamist, just watch out.

Latest news is the Bali bomb maker involved in the bomb that killed 202 people mostly tourists including 88 Australians has been released from gaol for good behaviour after serving a little over half of a 20 year sentence. Aparently he is now a reformed man. This speaks volumes. Still, like lemmings, my fellow Aussies holiday there as if it cant happen again because the Balinese are such nice people. It's not the local Balinese they need to worry about. Maybe they should holiday in Aceh.