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    offer full support as a matter of policy to their own citizens imprisoned in Thailand, once an individual had served an equivalent sentence term to what they would have received if they had been convicted of a similar offence in their home country.
    What does that actually mean?

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    ^Let's say you got pinged in Oz with a large quantity of class 1 drugs, assuming first offence and a guilty plea you'd be looking at (say) 12 to 15 years. If you got buckled in Thailand with the same quantity you're looking at 40+ years. So, if you did 10 years in a Thai prison before getting transferred to Oz they'd take this into account and let you out in somewhere between 2 and 5 years. You wouldn't need to do the balance of what you were sentenced to in Thailand.

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    ^ Let's hope he was just 'playing' dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    pinged in Oz with a large quantity of class 1 drugs, assuming first offence and a guilty plea you'd be looking at (say) 12 to 15 years. If you got buckled in Thailand with the same quantity you're looking at 40+ years.
    Just an extra note about that, different Oz states have different sentencing recommendations. An acqu.... aqu... a bloke I hung out with in NSW got pinged sailing in 400 keys from South America around the 1999/2000, Kiwi lad by the name of Hamish Thompson and our English mate Foxy - James Fox I think. Got 24 with a min of 16. Would have gotten a lot more in other states. Would have gotten A LOT more in Thailand.

    Got out and got pinged doing the exact same thing a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Let's say you got pinged in Oz with a large quantity of class 1 drugs, assuming first offence and a guilty plea you'd be looking at (say) 12 to 15 years. If you got buckled in Thailand with the same quantity you're looking at 40+ years. So, if you did 10 years in a Thai prison before getting transferred to Oz they'd take this into account and let you out in somewhere between 2 and 5 years. You wouldn't need to do the balance of what you were sentenced to in Thailand.
    It's just that, you know, your government says:

    Generally the sentence a prisoner will serve in Australia will be as close as possible in nature and duration to that imposed by the transfer country.

    https://www.ag.gov.au/international-relations/international-crime-cooperation-arrangements/international-transfer-prisoners/transfers-australia-0
    So I was just wondering why you are saying otherwise.

    You seemed to add quite a lot of detail to the phrase "offer full support" without any links or anything.

    I'm sure you can understand my confusion.

    Edmond can't because apparently he can't fucking read.
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    So I downloaded the Oz "Statement of Policy" related to the International Transfer Program, and you are sort of right in a way, but it isn't quite as you described it.

    I mean it says:





    1. Sentence enforcement

    Transfer sunder the ITP Scheme are not intended to provide a more lenient orconvenient alternative for prisoners. As a result, sentence enforcement is an important consideration in all applications for transfer.


    But then goes on to say:


    Incoming transfers (transfers to Australia)



    • Australia applies the continued enforcement method of sentence enforcement to all prisoners transferred to Australia under the ITP Scheme. Under this method, the original sentence imposed on the prisoner by the sentencing country (less reductions or remissions) is enforced in Australia upon transfer.
    And then:

    • A parole eligibility date will be determined as part of the sentence enforcement in Australia.


      • The earliest possible release date in the sentencing country will be enforced as the parole eligibility date.
      • If an earliest possible release date has not been determined by the sentencing country, Australia will propose a non-parole period that is 66 per cent of the original sentence imposed by the foreign country.
      • However, if the original sentence imposed by the foreign country significantly exceeds the maximum head sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similar offence, Australia will propose a non-parole period that equates to 66 per cent of the maximum sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similar offence.
      • Release on parole will be discretionary in accordance with relevant Australian processes and laws.
      • Where possible, the parole eligibility date will be at least 12 months before the sentence expiry date.
      • The parole period will expire at the sentence expiry date.
      • The period of parole supervision will be determined at the time that the prisoner is released on parole and may continue for the duration of the parole period.
    • So although early release is possible, it's still based on the Thai sentence, not the Australian one, but then goes on to say if there is a big difference they can apply it to the equivalent Aussie sentence.

      Apologies for the formatting, it's a shitty word document with tons of pointless attributes that TD takes umbrage with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Let's say you got pinged in Oz with a large quantity of class 1 drugs, assuming first offence and a guilty plea you'd be looking at (say) 12 to 15 years. If you got buckled in Thailand with the same quantity you're looking at 40+ years. So, if you did 10 years in a Thai prison before getting transferred to Oz they'd take this into account and let you out in somewhere between 2 and 5 years. You wouldn't need to do the balance of what you were sentenced to in Thailand.
    It's clearly explained in Hazza's link.

    "if the original sentence imposed by the foreign country significantly exceeds the maximum head sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similar offence, Australia will propose a non-parole period that equates to 66 per cent of themaximum sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similaroffence.
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    Transfers to Australia | Attorney-General's Department
    Pretty clear to non-simpletons, obviously. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    it's still based on the Thai sentence, not the Australian one.
    Learn how to read bud. Then take a wee peek through yer link.

    "if the original sentence imposed by the foreign country significantly exceeds the maximum head sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similar offence, Australia will propose a non-parole period that equates to 66 per cent of the maximum sentence that could be imposed in Australia for a similar offence.
    For minor drug offences, the Thai sentence will often greatly exceed the maximum sentence for a similar offence in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    Learn how to read bud. Then take a wee peek through yer link.



    For minor drug offences, the Thai sentence will often greatly exceed the maximum sentence for a similar offence in Australia.
    Try reading my post to the end.


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    Regardless of what anything says or doesn't say on the net, there's been a shitload of Aussies transferred home out of Thailand to finish their sentences and none of them end up doing 40+ years or whatever they're sentenced to in Thailand. Plenty of them have written books or been on shows like Banged up Abroad who'd have never got out otherwise.

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    Odd that there aren't (or weren't) many takers....


    Tanzanian man arrested at Suvarnabhumi airport for allegedly smuggling 53 cocaine pac-untitled-jpg


    http://www.correct.go.th/eng/transfer.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Regardless of what anything says or doesn't say on the net, there's been a shitload of Aussies transferred home out of Thailand to finish their sentences and none of them end up doing 40+ years or whatever they're sentenced to in Thailand. Plenty of them have written books or been on shows like Banged up Abroad who'd have never got out otherwise.
    Watching Banged Up Abroad suggests that many of the drug mules, even knowing ones, don't serve a full sentence.

    Thai prisons being full, his maj pardons thousands a year even if they haven't asked.

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    I know some TV mods and members have ended up in the penal system for drug offences.

    I wonder if any of our fellow TD staff and customers have had a bit of bother?


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    A body scanner revealed what the authorities believed to be packages of illegal drugs in his abdomen. A total of 53 cocaine cubes, weighing 865 grams, were found after excretion.
    Well, it give me a bit of pleasure knowing one Thai cop had a shitty job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Well, it give me a bit of pleasure knowing one Thai cop had a shitty job.
    I've only just noticed the word "cubes".

    Ouch!

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    Surely this OP could have just been posted in the show. Us. Your dinner thread

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    Must have sounded like a machine gun when he took his final dump as a free man. How in the world can a human handle all that?

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    ^Have seen them do it in a drug documentary. They dip the bags in vegetable oil first so they slide down then just throw them down the back of their throats with their heads tilted back, and they take diarrhoea pills which stops them shitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    ^Have seen them do it in a drug documentary. They dip the bags in vegetable oil first so they slide down then just throw them down the back of their throats with their heads tilted back, and they take diarrhoea pills which stops them shitting.

    I'm gagging just thinking about it...

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