Thread: 5 dead after Myanmar security forces ram car into Yangon protest

I've never understood the mechanism whereby the military in countries like this are a force independent of government. This simply could not happen in many other countries.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I've never understood the mechanism whereby the military in countries like this are a force independent of government. This simply could not happen in many other countries.

They ARE the government.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So would the West be wrong to wade in and depose this junta?

Why 'the West'? It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario . . . just look at what Auung did when she finally got into power, due to a great extent with help from 'the West' . . . she helped trample human rights with vigour.

Nearest big neighbours . . . China an India. Their sphere of influence.

^^ Well, yeah....in Myanmar they are, but countries like Thailand, where they seem to run parallel in power, even when there is a civilian government.

I'd say the west ain't in any mood to help the woman after, what happened with the Rohingya.

Did she do anything actively against them ? I didn't follow it closely, but got the impression that she (perhaps unwillingly) felt obliged to turn a blind eye because of popular sentiment against them or because of the military.

Whatever happened she certainly lost the plot, after many years of expressing her right to freedom, she denied the freedom and human rights of many thousands.

Originally Posted by Chico

I'd say the west ain't in any mood to help the woman after, what happened with the Rohingya.

So, in your mind it'd be 'helping the woman' . . .

Interesting concept when thousands have died . . . and she's not been one of them.

Originally Posted by Chico

Whatever happened she certainly lost the plot, after many years of expressing her right to freedom, she denied the freedom and human rights of many thousands.

Christus im Himmel . . . we agree.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

^^ Well, yeah....in Myanmar they are, but countries like Thailand, where they seem to run parallel in power, even when there is a civilian government.

Not really. The Military allow a bit of sham democracy on the basis that it doesn't interfere with their money train. First sign of trouble and Boom! - there's another coup.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Did she do anything actively against them ? I didn't follow it closely, but got the impression that she (perhaps unwillingly) felt obliged to turn a blind eye because of popular sentiment against them or because of the military.

I think you're right on this one. She was very much aware that a certain amount of "following orders" was required to stop the military doing what they've ultimately done anyway.

I feel that, on the Rohingya issue, she wasn't speaking or acting for herself.

Originally Posted by Chico

Whatever happened she certainly lost the plot, after many years of expressing her right to freedom, she denied the freedom and human rights of many thousands.

Yeah, I don't think she did anything of the kind. The military have been running the country all along, overtly or with the implicit threat of a coup.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yeah, I don't think she did anything of the kind. The military have been running the country all along, overtly or with the implicit threat of a coup.

Harry I'm sure she could of walked away, and expressed her utter contempt for the military, though choose to do nothing.

Then again, have the western allied forces been arming the rebels? nah most probably made a deal with the Chinese.

It's a lost cause..... Everything is so fucked up, it would take 2-3 generations to change the political culture.

Originally Posted by Chico

Harry I'm sure she could of walked away, and expressed her utter contempt for the military, though choose to do nothing.

She was the first semblance of democracy that they have had in 50 years of military rule. Walking away would have caused it to collapse. The fact that it did anyway is a sign of how desperate they are to cling onto power.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

She was the first semblance of democracy

And ended seen as part of the military power house.

Well at least the Chinese are supplying the rebels with arms, more than what the west is doing.

Originally Posted by Chico

And ended seen as part of the military power house.

Well at least the Chinese are supplying the rebels with arms, more than what the west is doing.

I have no idea what you are on about, really. Where do you get this shit? Maybe you got confused about them sending "shots"...

Meanwhile...

Aung San Suu Kyi: Myanmar's deposed leader receives four-year jail sentence

The 76-year-old has been charged with a range of offences including corruption, possessing unregistered walkie-talkies, and violating the official secrets act.

Aung San Suu Kyi: Myanmar's deposed leader receives four-year jail sentence | World News | Sky News

are the thai military and police still pushing burmese refugees back over the border or merely imprisoning them as illegal immigrants?

Originally Posted by taxexile

are the thai military and police still pushing burmese refugees back over the border or merely imprisoning them as illegal immigrants?

Depends if they work cheap and they smuggle them without getting caught.