Negative COVID ATK test results, proof of 2 jabs required for Bangkok Loy Krathong

**baldrick** · 23-11-2021, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

claims that vaccines provide protection and significantly prevent the spread.

I am saying this from personal experience

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

And if I'm in the wrong then I'll get a vaccine that has been thoroughly studied both for efficacy and side-effects not a better-than-nothing expedient whith which I would be on my own if side-effects strike (the legal disclaimer you have to sign prior to get the shots)

your choice - but you can stay confined to your home in the meantime as you have not migrated to a cave in the mountains

**armstrong** · 23-11-2021, 05:08 PM

Loy Krathong was ages ago and you fools are still arguing vaccines. The covid thread is that way ---->

**Samuel** · 23-11-2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

you want to do it or you're supporting this then negative test it is

Yep some places allow you to show proof of vaccination or a negative test.

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

No, or at least not yet according to efficacy figures

Yes, the efficacy goes down over time — thus the need for boosters.

There will likely be better vaccines available in the future.

You're waiting for those, perfect ones?

Meanwhile, your chances of dying or being hospitalized are 10-20 times higher without a vaccine — of course.

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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

**OhOh** · 23-11-2021, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

your (you and others) claims that vaccines provide protection and significantly prevent the spread.

Originally Posted by baldrick

I am saying this from personal experience

Your limited experience v verified data.

"Our World in Data relies on data from Johns Hopkins University"

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Cases - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data

If we accept that the 3rd world continents have had less access to vaccines and have poor/non-existent health services available to them, than the advanced "western continents", including all G7 countries.

As is suggested daily here on TD.

The "numbers" graphically illustrate, that the developed "western continents", have had much poorer performance, numbers of cases and deaths, in comparison with the 3rd world continents? Canada being the most efficient of the G7.

Graphs are Asia, Africa, the 3rd world continents. Europe and North America, the advanced "western" countries.

China is included because it is allegedly a 3rd world country and has an allegedly poor/non-existent health service.

Plus the fact that China has been able, with its home produced vaccine, it's citizens acceptance, it's "socialism with a Chinese twist" government and its ability to reopen its industries, to show the world the way forwards, in this particular crisis.

Thailand is included as it is where I am currently. Which is also, by some TD posters, accused of failing its citizens during the crisis.

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**Norton** · 23-11-2021, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

China is included because it is allegedly a 3rd world country and has an allegedly poor/non-existent health service.

Allegedly indeed because it certainly is not 3rd world and it's health care system is damn good. I lived in 2 locations over 3 years in China and unlike Thailand I recieved a bit of health care there at same cost of a Chinese citizen.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Which is also, by some TD posters, accused of failing its citizens during the crisis.

I am one of them and stick to it. They have failed as have the other countries above in your post.

**Farang Ky Ay** · 23-11-2021, 10:20 PM

^^

Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
you want to do it or you're supporting this then negative test it is

Yep some places allow you to show proof of vaccination or a negative test.

You didn't get what I meant entirely, vaccination by itself doesn't clear you from being infectious, so why a proof of vaccination should grant you access like an actual proof of not being currently infected? Looks like they're rewarding compliance, not doing actual prevention.

Regarding waning efficiency of the vaccines, problem is to convince people to get the shots of not fully studied vaccines, they told them they'll be protected (>95%), that they then could "go back to normal"...now they're told they need a 3rd shot, tomorrow it may be a fourth, and no they didn't get back to normal... It's not as if the strategy of a vaccine against a rapidly evolving virus hasn't be debated before, better focus on cure than vaccines unless there's a major breakthrough that will make them efficient in time and against new variants.

Regarding hospitalisations and ICU, you need to take other things into account - mostly age and existing conditions - then you can see a sur-representation of people over 75 (didn't get the numbers for people already having health issues).
Worst, I just read that in the UK double vaccinated people are the majority of covid patients in hospital, while unvaccinated are about 35%...need to ponder that against the respective weight of vaccinated / unvaccinated people in UK population, but still.

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated - Full Fact

Hence my "wait and see" stance, my lifestyle, age and health condition allow me to do that, I'm not saying "don't do it", on the contrary do it if you fear for your safety but I don't totally get it when either those people or authorities tell me to do the same (without any liabilities if something goes wrong btw) as the past months taught me they don't really know either, what was true 6 months ago according to preliminary data isn't necessarily accurate today so yeah maybe be less adamant, admit there's unknown and adjust your decision according to latest data, research results etc...and not restrict rights on a false idea

**Samuel** · 24-11-2021, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay

Hence my "wait and see" stance, my lifestyle, age and health condition allow me to do that, I'm not saying "don't do it", on the contrary do it if you fear for your safety but I don't totally get it when either those people or authorities tell me to do the same

That's your prerogative, of course.

Though, if everyone took your attitude and refused vaccines, the destruction of lives and livelihoods in your community and the world would have been much worse and the world wouldn't be moving towards opening up again.

**armstrong** · 24-11-2021, 06:35 PM

It's still a Lot Krathong thread you fucking idiots.

**Samuel** · 24-11-2021, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by armstrong

It's still a Lot Krathong thread you fucking idiots.

Discussions evolve and move on.

What are you angry about, pray tell?

**armstrong** · 24-11-2021, 06:55 PM

The endless shite about covid and the benefits or not of vaccines and/or masks. If you can keep it in one place I can fucking avoid it.

**Samuel** · 24-11-2021, 07:00 PM

In case you hadn’t noticed, The OP is about requiring a Covid test and vaccination proof at the event.

That is what spurred the current discussion.

**Samuel** · 24-11-2021, 07:02 PM

Don’t worry, Armstrong: king Willy and panama hat will be along soon for you to play with.

**OhOh** · 24-11-2021, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

the world wouldn't be moving towards opening up again.

Tried before without success, why is the 2nd/3rd/4th .... time going to be any better?

Vaccinated can still be super-spreaders, that fact has not changed?

**Samuel** · 25-11-2021, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Tried before without success, why is the 2nd/3rd/4th .... time going to be any better?

Haven't you seen video of life in America — like at university football games with crowds packed together, not wearing masks?

Life IS going back to normal, thanks to the vaccines.

Like mentioned, you not wanting to get vaccinated is your prerogative — thankfully most people around the world don't think like you.

**OhOh** · 25-11-2021, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

you not wanting to get vaccinated is your prerogative

Luckily my choice of abode, being a small farming community, with access to clinics and local hospitals, are performing pretty well.

Plus of course, currently, no compulsion to be jabbed with an unapproved vaccine. But that may change.

**cyrille** · 25-11-2021, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

Haven't you seen video of life in America — like at university football games with crowds packed together, not wearing masks?

Life IS going back to normal, thanks to the vaccines.

That's only part of the story.

The US IS also full of people with a false sense of security and also with people who are just nuts.

Thanks to them being Republicans.

**Samuel** · 25-11-2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

That's only part of the story.

The US IS also full of people with a false sense of security and generally being nuts.

Thanks to them being Republicans.

I think I saw you make a post (yes, my memory is as good as yours and much, much better) a few days ago saying at some point life needs to get back to normal.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by Samuel

like at university football games with crowds packed together, not wearing masks?

The US IS also full of people with a false sense of security and generally being nuts.

No, they are fully vaccinated and young and getting on with life.

Would you suggest they don't?

grumpy old man (snide little shit)?

**cyrille** · 25-11-2021, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

grumpy old man (snide little shit)?

Over reaction much?

**Samuel** · 25-11-2021, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Over reaction much?

they are fully vaccinated and young and getting on with life.

Would you suggest they don't?

**cyrille** · 25-11-2021, 09:39 PM

I was suggesting that you were over-generalising.

I'll leave it there as you're obviously upset about something.

btw - the thread is about Loy Kratong and COVID restrictions.

**Samuel** · 25-11-2021, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by Samuel

Would you suggest they don't?

I was suggesting that you were over-generalising.

I'll leave it there as you're obviously upset about something.

btw - the thread is about Loy Kratong and COVID restrictions.

It looks like you are not suggesting they don't get on with life.

we agree, cyrille.

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