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    Siriraj doctor calls for end to Sinovac imports

    THAILAND: The government should stop importing Sinovac vaccines as they are not effective enough to fight the Delta variant of COVID-19, a medical expert said.

    Speaking in a Clubhouse chatroom, Prasit Watanapa, dean of the Faculty of Medicine of Siriraj Hospital, said Sinovac vaccines were not effective enough to boost immunity responses so they were not suited to deal with the highly-transmissible Delta variant.


    “Pfizer vaccines are better. From now on, the government should avoid placing orders for Sinovac vaccines because they have efficacy problems. It should look at vaccines of high quality such as AZ [AstraZeneca] and J&J [Johnson & Johnson], mRNA vaccines and protein subunit vaccines such as Novavax,’” Dr Prasit said.

    “The government should have ordered Pfizer vaccines last year. Thailand was able to control the outbreak back then so it did not order them. Now the government has ordered them, but it has to wait because we were too slow.


    “One should not say that Sinovac vaccines are low quality because each type of vaccine can be used effectively in certain circumstances. But Sinovac vaccines may not be the only solution during the current situation where the Delta variant is rampant.

    “I am not pro-Sinovac. I prefer high-quality vaccines. We should be open to other types of vaccines such as Novavax. They should be considered. This is what we are waiting for. Just order them.”


    Dr Prasit, who is also an adviser to the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), said he has been told that 1.5 million Pfizer vaccine doses will arrive this or next month.


    Initially, plans were to administer the vaccines to at-risk people, with a proposal put forward at a CCSA meeting that the vaccines should also be allocated to front-line health workers who have already received two shots, Dr Prasit said. They should be allowed to choose either AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines as booster shots, he said.


    He also said Siriraj Hospital has placed an order for 20,000 Moderna vaccine doses through the Thai Red Cross Society and paid B26 million for them.


    Meanwhile, several hospitals yesterday (July 17) started mixing Sinovac and AstraZeneca vaccines to increase protection against the fast-spreading Delta variant after the CCSA approved the cross-vaccination method on Friday.


    Siriraj doctor calls for end to Sinovac imports

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    Hoohoo will be feverishly searching the chinky propaganda database for a response.




    I am not pro-Sinovac. I prefer high-quality vaccines
    You and everyone else mate, you and everyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    He also said Siriraj Hospital has placed an order for 20,000 Moderna vaccine doses through the Thai Red Cross Society and paid B26 million for them.
    ^ That is BHT 1,300 a jab

    South Africa’s deputy director general of health, Anban Pillay, said his government had been told that $5.25 was the set price for a country classified by the World Bank as upper-middle income. “The explanation we were given for why other high-income countries have a lower price is that they have invested in the [research and development], hence the discount,” he added.

    That principle has also been applied to the biggest players. The EU financially supported the development of the BioNTech and Pfizer vaccine and has obtained a lower price per dose ($14.70 than the US ($19.50). The Moderna vaccine’s development was subsidised by the US government, and it will cost the US about $15 a dose, while the EU is paying $18.

    The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is much cheaper, although neither the UK nor the US can match the EU’s $2.15 deal: they are expecting to pay about $3 and $4, respectively, per dose.

    The Johnson & Johnson vaccine, expected to announce phase III results imminently, is also much cheaper, costing the EU $8.50, with each dose going twice as far as the other brands, since it is a single shot vaccine.

    AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson have committed to not making a profit from the pandemic, while Moderna and Pfizer did not. AstraZeneca reserved the right, however, to declare the pandemic phase over and take profits from later vaccine sales.
    Covid-19: Countries are learning what others paid for vaccines | The BMJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    “I am not pro-Sinovac. I prefer high-quality vaccines.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You and everyone else mate, you and everyone else.
    Just one thing, Midas

    Beggars can't be choosers


    Thailand is a nice place when you are loaded, ain't it ?

    None of us would stay there if we weren't


    Agree ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Just one thing, Midas

    Beggars can't be choosers


    Thailand is a nice place when you are loaded, ain't it ?

    None of us would stay there if we weren't


    Agree ?
    If you absolutely have no choice and you cannot isolate yourself, go ahead and get the chinky shit. But just continue to act is if you are unvaccinated until something better comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    But just continue to act is if you are unvaccinated until something better comes along.
    Not sure if I understand your point.

    If I can ask:

    Do you think that the shit, chinky snakeoil vaccine will hurt you, apart from possibly not protecting you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Not sure if I understand your point.
    I will attempt an interpretation. Sinovac is better than nothing, if you can not get anything else. But better act as if you are not vaccinated, because the protection is not very good. Keep being very careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Not sure if I understand your point.

    If I can ask:

    Do you think that the shit, chinky snakeoil vaccine will hurt you, apart from possibly not protecting you ?
    No, it has been described to me by our Medical QA team as "like water".

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    Thanks
    FINALLY
    A vaccine without side effects

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    How much do the thais pay per jab? For sinovax

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    How much do the thais pay per jab? For sinovax
    Do you mean the Government or the general population? I don't believe that anyone has actually paid for a vaccination yet, other than those who have registered at private hospitals for future deliveries of types such as Moderna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    How much do the thais pay per jab? For sinovax
    Thought this an interesting piece from the Phillipines:

    MANILA, Philippines — Sharp differences in the pri[at]ces of the Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine in the Philippines and neighboring countries smack of corruption, Sen. Panfilo Lacson said on Sunday.

    CoronaVac, the vaccine developed by the Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech, costs as little as $5 per dose, or about P240, in other Southeast Asian countries, but may be priced at $38, or more than P1,800, in the Philippines, Lacson said.

    “The difference in prices of Sinovac vaccine at $5, $14 and $38 reminds me of an old story about how corruption is committed in three Southeast Asian countries—UNDER the table, ON the table, and INCLUDING the table,” he said in a post on Twitter.

    “Here, it may cost $38.50 (P1,847.25) per dose but is co[at]vered by a confidentiality disclosure agreement,” he added.

    Lacson cited a report in the Bangkok Post on Saturday saying the price of CoronaVac in Thailand was $5 per dose, based on figures from the World Health Organization and from the manufacturer. But a report in India Today on Tuesday said the price of CoronaVac in India was $14, or about P673, per dose.

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    (Weren't these modest people vaccinated by a "chinkie" vaccine? - or not at all?)

    U-turn as Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to self-isolate after criticism
    U-turn came hours after No 10 said PM and chancellor would avoid isolation by joining pilot testing scheme


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    Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak have been forced into a U-turn and will self-isolate after coming into contact with the health secretary, who has contracted Covid-19.

    The UK prime minister and chancellor had initially tried to avoid isolation by saying they were part of a pilot testing scheme, prompting an outcry from members of the public and backbench Conservative MPs.

    Their U-turn came after only three hours amid chaos at No 10 over plans to drop many Covid restrictions for “freedom day” on Monday, and minutes after the communities secretary, Robert Jenrick, had defended their plans to continue working from Downing Street.

    It means the prime minister, chancellor and health secretary will all be isolating, along with hundreds of thousands of others due to exposure to coronavirus, when restrictions are dropped across England from Monday.

    A Downing Street spokesperson said: “The prime minister has been contacted by NHS test and trace to say he is a contact of someone with Covid. He was at Chequers when contacted by test and trace and will remain there to isolate. He will not be taking part in the testing pilot.

    “He will continue to conduct meetings with ministers remotely. The chancellor has also been contacted and will also isolate as required and will not be taking part in the pilot.”

    Sunak tweeted: “Whilst the test and trace pilot is fairly restrictive, allowing only essential government business, I recognise that even the sense that the rules aren’t the same for everyone is wrong. To that end I’ll be self-isolating as normal and not taking part in the pilot.”

    Javid tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday. The prime minister is reported to have had a lengthy meeting with him at No 10 on Friday.


    r only three hours amid chaos at No 10 over plans to drop many Covid restrictions for “freedom day” on Monday, and minutes after the communities secretary, Robert Jenrick, had defended their plans to continue working from Downing Street.

    It means the prime minister, chancellor and health secretary will all be isolating, along with hundreds of thousands of others due to exposure to coronavirus, when restrictions are dropped across England from Monday.

    A Downing Street spokesperson said: “The prime minister has been contacted by NHS test and trace to say he is a contact of someone with Covid. He was at Chequers when contacted by test and trace and will remain there to isolate. He will not be taking part in the testing pilot.

    “He will continue to conduct meetings with ministers remotely. The chancellor has also been contacted and will also isolate as required and will not be taking part in the pilot.”

    Sunak tweeted: “Whilst the test and trace pilot is fairly restrictive, allowing only essential government business, I recognise that even the sense that the rules aren’t the same for everyone is wrong. To that end I’ll be self-isolating as normal and not taking part in the pilot.”

    Javid tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday. The prime minister is reported to have had a lengthy meeting with him at No 10 on Friday.

    'Important everybody sticks to rules': Johnson explains U-turn on self-isolation – video
    Downing Street earlier confirmed Johnson and Sunak were part of a pilot scheme that allows certain people to have daily rapid flow tests instead of having to self-isolate. “They will be conducting only essential government business during this period,” said a spokesperson.

    The shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said many people across the UK would be dismayed by the “special, exclusive rule” for Johnson and Sunak.

    “There will be parents across the country who have struggled this year when their children have been sent home because they were in a bubble and had to self-isolate,” he told Sky News.

    “There will be workers across the country that have to isolate because they’ve been pinged, including in public services, including the NHS. For many of them, waking up this morning to hear that there is a special rule, an exclusive rule, for Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak, they will be saying that this looks like one rule for them and something else for the rest of us.”

    Kate Nicholls, the CEO of UK Hospitality, which represents bars, hotels and others in the sector, said: “It cannot be right that only those on pilot projects are exempt from the need to self-isolate. We need a workable and pragmatic self-isolation policy which keeps people safe but also keeps the economy moving.”

    Jonathan Bartley, the co-leader of the Green party, said: “Hundreds of thousands of young people, including my children, had their education and lives repeatedly turned upside down again and again after dutifully and responsibly isolating. And now this. Anger doesn’t begin to cover it.”

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s former director of communications at Downing Street, described it as the “Johnson-Sunak test pilot scandal” and predicted it would “cut through” to the public even more directly than the controversy surrounding the lockdown journeys undertaken to Durham by Dominic Cummings, Johnson’s former chief adviser.

    Organisations taking part have to have an asymptomatic testing site set up. Individuals who have been “pinged” after being in contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid can go to work on the basis that they are using lateral flow tests, but must self-isolate when not at work.

    The organisations known to be part of the trial have given their consent to be identified, according to No 10, which added that a full list would be published after the results have been recorded.

    A spokesperson said the study was separate from a better known pilot scheme, outlined online by the Department of Health and Social Care, which splits participants at random into two groups. In that study, those in a control group will be given a PCR test and must self-isolate as normal for 10 days, while participants in another group benefit from having a 24-hour release from self-isolation if daily lateral flow tests return negative results.

    Javid was self-isolating on Saturday after testing positive for Covid, as senior public health leaders from across the UK accused Boris Johnson on Sunday of “letting Covid rip” by relaxing legal restrictions.

    The health secretary, who is double-vaccinated, said he had mild symptoms and confirmed the result of a lateral flow test with a positive PCR test.

    “I will continue to isolate and work from home,” Javid tweeted.
    U-turn as Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to self-isolate after criticism | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    (Weren't these modest people vaccinated by a "chinkie" vaccine? - or not at all?)
    They don't have COVID.

    They've been in contact with someone who has COVID.

    That is made clear in the very first line of your C+P!

    Again, you don't seem to be able to read and understand basic facts in articles that you post up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    (Weren't these modest people vaccinated by a "chinkie" vaccine? - or not at all?)

    U-turn as Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak to self-isolate after criticism
    U-turn came hours after No 10 said PM and chancellor would avoid isolation by joining pilot testing scheme

    Boris Johnson is the British Prime Minister. Why the f*ck would he get a Chinese vaccine?

    Of record, he got UK produced AstraZeneca.

    Sorry, but you are pushing retardation to the fucking limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Sorry, but you are pushing retardation to the fucking limit.
    I wouldn't be so sure he has a limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    They don't have COVID.
    .....

    Javid was self-isolating on Saturday after testing positive for Covid

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure he has a limit.
    Sadly, I think you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Boris Johnson is the British Prime Minister. Why the f*ck would he get a Chinese vaccine?
    Sorry, I forgot to add

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    .....
    So don't you think it would help if you made it clear to whom you are referring?

    And do you still think it is impossible for someone who has been vaccinated to catch COVID?

    Your abject stupidity is just mind-boggling at times.

    All you succeed in doing when you troll is to demonstrate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Your abject stupidity is just mind-boggling at times.

    All you succeed in doing when you troll is to demonstrate that.
    The last few days demonstrate that completely. Even when he is proven so be wrong he just keeps quiet and goes on about his idiotic trolling.

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    ^even some of them have been deleted together with your classy language. What a pity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    And do you still think it is impossible for someone who has been vaccinated to catch COVID?
    So, they are vaccinated long time ago - and surely not with some "chinkie" stuff - and they are still in a danger? Even they have to be isolated?
    Actually, BoJo was already once infected, wasn't he?

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    Yes

    Don't care about the TD brits.

    They are a bit sensitive, when it comes to the pride of Oxford:

    The AZ wonder !

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    ...and that's my issue with the concept of creating a vaccine in a hurry for a virus known to evolve quickly (like the flu). Some of the vaccines are based on such a narrow target that they can (and IMHO will) be by-passed by a new strain too easily. Future will tell.

    I can agree to a certain extent (waiting for some compared data between vaccinated/unvaccinated on the gravity of the cases) that current vaccines may lead to milder cases, but I would focus more on treating the cases than trying to prevent them for the part of the population not deemed at risk (elderly, health issues should be vaccinated)
    Last edited by Farang Ky Ay; 22-07-2021 at 08:28 PM.

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