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    Thailand defends COVID vaccine mix-and-match after WHO warning

    THAILAND: Authorities today (July 13) defended mixing two different COVID-19 vaccines to battle a surge in infections, after the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) top scientist warned it was a “dangerous trend” not backed by evidence.

    The kingdom is struggling to contain its latest outbreak fuelled by the highly contagious Delta variant, with cases and deaths skyrocketing and the healthcare system stretched thin.


    Authorities said they will mix a first dose of the Chinese-made Sinovac jab with a second dose of AstraZeneca to try and achieve a “booster” effect in six weeks instead of 12.


    Thailand’s chief virologist Yong Poovorawan said this would be possible by combining an inactivated virus vaccine – Sinovac – with a viral vector vaccine such as AstraZeneca.


    “We can’t wait 12 weeks (for a booster effect) in this outbreak where the disease is spreading fast,” he said.


    “But in the future, if there are better, improved vaccines... we will find a better way to manage the situation.”


    His comments come a day after the WHO’s chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan called the strategy a “dangerous trend”.


    “We are in a bit of a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as ‘mix-and-match’”, she said.


    Thailand has reported more than 353,700 coronavirus cases and 2,847 deaths – the bulk of them detected since the latest wave kicked off in April from an upscale Bangkok nightlife district.


    Healthcare workers were the first in line to receive Sinovac, but authorities said Sunday nearly 900 medical staff – most of them vaccinated with that shot – got COVID-19.


    They will now also get an AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech booster shot, authorities said.


    Virus hotspot Bangkok and nine other hard-hit provinces are now under tougher restrictions that include a night-time curfew and a ban of gatherings over five people.


    Thailand defends COVID vaccine ‘mix-and-match’ after WHO warning

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    WHO chief scientist cautions against mixing COVID-19 vaccines

    The World Health Organization's chief scientist on Monday advised against people mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers, calling it a "dangerous trend" since there was little data available about the health impact.

    "It's a little bit of a dangerous trend here. We are in a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as mix and match," Soumya Swaminathan told an online briefing.

    "It will be a chaotic situation in countries if citizens start deciding when and who will be taking a second, a third and a fourth dose.": WHO chief scientist cautions against mixing COVID-19 vaccines - BusinessToday

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    His comments come a day after the WHO’s chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan called the strategy a “dangerous trend”.
    There may be no evidence over the long term but short term the indications are that mixing and matching may be quite safe and, in fact, beneficial. Canada has been mixing and matching for several months and I think that is true for many other 'western' countries. Dear Ms. Swaminathan has upset many scientists not associated with the WHO worldwide. I believe she should probably rethink her comments. She may be failing to separate the ideal from the necessary. With the Delta variant ravishing many countries, rich and poor people may have to use what they can get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    There may be no evidence over the long term but short term the indications are that mixing and matching may be quite safe and, in fact, beneficial. Canada has been mixing and matching for several months and I think that is true for many other 'western' countries. Dear Ms. Swaminathan has upset many scientists not associated with the WHO worldwide. I believe she should probably rethink her comments. She may be failing to separate the ideal from the necessary. With the Delta variant ravishing many countries, rich and poor people may have to use what they can get.
    Given that the WHO has been a bit of a chinky puppet, I wouldn't be surprised if she received instructions from Mr. Shithole to try and save the chinky vaccines rapidly deteriorating reputation.

    However, it's very much a case of closing the stable door after the horse has long since bolted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    WHO chief scientist cautions against mixing COVID-19 vaccines

    The World Health Organization's chief scientist on Monday advised against people mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers, calling it a "dangerous trend" since there was little data available about the health impact.

    "It's a little bit of a dangerous trend here. We are in a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as mix and match," Soumya Swaminathan told an online briefing.

    "It will be a chaotic situation in countries if citizens start deciding when and who will be taking a second, a third and a fourth dose.": WHO chief scientist cautions against mixing COVID-19 vaccines - BusinessToday



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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    There may be no evidence over the long term but short term the indications are that mixing and matching may be quite safe and, in fact, beneficial. Canada has been mixing and matching for several months and I think that is true for many other 'western' countries. Dear Ms. Swaminathan has upset many scientists not associated with the WHO worldwide. I believe she should probably rethink her comments. She may be failing to separate the ideal from the necessary. With the Delta variant ravishing many countries, rich and poor people may have to use what they can get.


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    I've had my first AZ shot ... still another month before I get my second AZ shot.

    If offered Pfizer shot now ... I'd jump at it.

    The WHO dude is too cautious.

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    A reasonable man would wonder at the sense of mixing experimental drugs in the first place. Secondly waiting for the best of the variations would make even more sense. Moderna is trialing it's improved poison formula. J&J and Fizer have an acceptable product on the market now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The WHO dude is too cautious.
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    Thailand to boost Sinovac with AstraZeneca as Delta variant drives worst COVID-19 outbreak

    Thailand defends COVID vaccine mix-and-match after WHO warning-you-simply-cannot-rely-sinovac-how

    As Thailand faces its worst COVID-19 outbreak, authorities have been forced to change the country's vaccine regime and, in a world first, AstraZeneca will be used to boost immunity among people who have already been given the Sinovac shot.

    Key points:
    • Thailand is moving to administer the AstraZeneca jab as a booster shot to Sinovac vaccines
    • Experts say it speaks to the power of the Delta variant and the desperate situation some countries are in
    • The global supply of the AstraZeneca vaccine has been impacted by India's second wave


    More than 10 million people are under strict restrictions and a curfew as infections of the Delta COVID-19 variant rise in the capital of Bangkok and surrounding provinces.

    The Health Ministry has announced people who have received one dose of the Sinovac vaccine will now get the AstraZeneca shot as their second dose.
    And healthcare workers who have already received two Sinovac doses will get an AstraZeneca or Pfizer shot as a booster.


    Thailand is recording nearly 9,000 new cases a day as well as 80 deaths a day — figures that have been steadily increasing for a month.
    There have also been breakthrough infections in healthcare workers who have been fully vaccinated with two doses of Sinovac.

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    Thailand defends COVID vaccine mix-and-match after WHO warning-screenshot-2021-07-15-11-53-a


    It's just laughable.

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    Nothing like having a born to privilege structural engineer like Anutin being your health minister..

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    I would suggest Thailand is looking at what other countries are doing rather than listening to the WHO; let's remember it was they who helped the chinkies cover the Wuhan virus up until it was too late to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    AstraZeneca will be used to boost immunity among people who have already been given the Sinovac shot.
    Where is all this AZ coming from? There is already insufficient vaccine, of any flavour.
    The average Somchai in this part of Isan is feeling pretty grumpy at having no shot at an, erm, shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I would suggest Thailand is looking at what other countries are doing rather than listening to the WHO
    It would seem that the Thai public won't get fooled again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I would suggest Thailand is looking at what other countries are doing rather than listening to the WHO
    It seems that WHO suddenly are not against Thailand mixing jabs.
    I guess they found out that most Thai's were vaccinated with the Chinesium micky-mouse vaccine

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    They have one everyday...Lao Kao and PlaaDak. And, where has the AZ that they are manufacturing here gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Where is all this AZ coming from?
    The dreams of the politicos running the shit show.

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    I thought the mixing was allowed if the first was non mrna and the second one is an mrna vaccine. For example AZ followed by Moderna etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    It seems that WHO suddenly are not against Thailand mixing jabs.
    I guess they found out that most Thai's were vaccinated with the Chinesium micky-mouse vaccine
    I heard (there we go) that Thailand presented a not insignificant amount of data to WHO and they agreed to Thailands strategy of mixing (or rather stopped objecting). Apparently in the Thai press.

    With lots of handwaving and YMMV....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    I guess they found out that most Thai's were vaccinated with the Chinesium micky-mouse vaccine
    Actually most Thais have not been vaccinated at all. More nice newsie info but atm there is nothing to mix n match.

    When 50% of the population is vaccinated then that will indeed be news worth reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Actually most Thais have not been vaccinated at all. More nice newsie info but atm there is nothing to mix n match.

    When 50% of the population is vaccinated then that will indeed be news worth reading.

    And the manner in which this clusterfuck is operating currently, might be late into the year before even considering the possibilities of 50%, less the worldwide officialdom dreamy standard of attaining 70-75% immunization.

    Yet, the world [even those "civilised" locales] is struggling with their respective programs.....whatever the societal issues or politics might be.

    Who knows, a more potent strain than the Delta might mutate in four-to-six months time, leaving science; conspiracists and governments looking for solutions and answers.

    More alarming, there are particular and influential corners of the world that are declaring a deluded state of victory as if it's over - foolish mindsets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    And the manner in which this clusterfuck is operating currently, might be late into the year
    My thinking is middle of next year if all goes relatively well.

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    The wife and I were discussing next mango season and I said the next season will be as bad as the last. She agreed. Then I added the season after will be even worse for us as we will have 250 new trees that will be fruiting.

    She finds it hard to believe it will be at least 2026 before we get some normality back in our life.

    All the signs are there for all to see there is a Wuhan China virus disaster shaping up. Plus the government strategy so far has shown no signs of getting a better response to the problem. Again I am visualizing headless chooks!

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    Deans of 10 of Thailand’s Faculties of Medicine Support Mix-and-Match Vaccine Strategy


    BANGKOK (NNT) - Deans of the Faculties of Medicine at 10 universities have issued a statement backing a mix-and-match vaccine strategy, to combat the fast-spreading Delta variant.


    The deans cited the rapid increase of Delta infections in Thailand in supporting the National Communicable Disease Committee’s proposal for a first jab of Sinovac followed by a second of AstraZeneca, to increase immunity against fast-spreading variants of COVID-19.


    Their statement said that, in Bangkok alone, up to 69% of patients have the Delta variant, which has a higher mortality rate than other variants. The Delta variant also tends to be less responsive to vaccines, which were developed based on other variants.


    The statement added that one jab of AstraZeneca or two jabs of Sinovac produces a low level of neutralizing antibodies, not enough to protect against Delta infection. However, two studies show that mixing and matching doses boosts immunity.


    The deans also supported giving booster shots (third jabs) to front-line medical staff, as a protection against Delta. Medics given two jabs of Sinovac should get another jab of AstraZeneca, or any mRNA type vaccine, at least four weeks after the second jab


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