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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    It’s possible, even probable, ISIS will return to Afghanistan as well as Uighur extremists using Afghanistan to stage attacks on China. I can’t imagine Afghanistan being anything but problems for China.
    Russia and the US learned their lessons. The place is ungovernable.

    It's the chinkies turn.

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    ISIS will return to Afghanistan as well as Uighur extremist
    Already there. It was Isis that staged the bombing on the Shiite girls school a month or two ago. They seem to be more preoccupied terrorising fellow Muslim Shiites than foreign invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    They won't

    Afghanistan is tribal

    Very tribal
    Sure is and until the tribes decide to unite and form a government, no outside force will succeed in "nation building".

    Afghanistan has been a war zone for 100 years. If not with a foriegn nation, a civil war between tribes funded and armed by foriegn nations as they are now.

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I can’t imagine Afghanistan being anything but problems for China
    And China knows it. Any Chinese involvement will be minimal.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Russia and the US learned their lessons.
    I wonder which taxpayers had spent more?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's the chinkies turn.
    Will the "chinkies" taxpayers also pay the trillions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Any Chinese involvement will be minimal.
    Which it has stated in all their communications.

    The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence

    The time-tested guideline of China's policy with neighbours

    The Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence

    Guiding Principles on Financing the Development of the Belt and Road

    https://eng.yidaiyilu.gov.cn/zchj/qwfb/13757.htm

    Unfortunately, many still see the western military enforced, puppet state scenario, as a worthy strategy.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Unfortunately, many still see the western military enforced, puppet state scenario, as a worthy strategy.
    I think you will find far more than "western" states are involved in trying to establish a puppet state and they too will fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I think you will find far more than "western" states are involved in trying to establish a puppet state and they too will fail.
    Exactly, you only have to look at who is propping up the Myanmar junta and North Korea to see that hoohoo is spouting his usual gibberish.

    And his pitiful state propaganda links make no mention of the chinkies putting countries into debt and using it to steal their assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    no mention of the chinkies putting countries into debt and using it to steal their assets.
    Well the Chinese provide infrastructure for these nations whilst the west just rape pillage and bomb the fek out of these countries. so good luck to them.

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    It's the limys turn.

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    They had their massacre back in the late 1800's

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    How are the Chinese going to handle the Taliban?
    they have a border with afganistan - which the cia used to smuggle weapons to the northern alliance 20 years ago

    I am sure they have planned the railway already

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    they have a border with afganistan - which the cia used to smuggle weapons to the northern alliance 20 years ago

    I am sure they have planned the railway already
    or perhaps the mussies have already planned the weapons shipments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Well the Chinese provide infrastructure for these nations whilst the west just rape pillage and bomb the fek out of these countries. so good luck to them.

    Yes yes, borrow money from the chinkies at extortionate rates and give it back to them to build a four lane motorway to an airport no-one needs using chinky labour and chinky manpower.

    Or better still, to build power stations that you can then appropriate and start charging the poor c u n t s for electricity as well.

    It's not called Belt and Owed for nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    It's the limys turn.
    They already had three turns. They got crushed every time.
    Last edited by bsnub; 07-07-2021 at 02:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    The got crushed every time.
    so , just like the world cup then


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes yes, borrow money from the chinkies at extortionate rates and give it back to them to build a four lane motorway to an airport no-one needs using chinky labour and chinky manpower.

    Or better still, to build power stations that you can then appropriate and start charging the poor c u n t s for electricity as well.

    It's not called Belt and Owed for nothing.

    Larry its estimated China has loaned out around 1.5 trillion to around 150 countries, more than the world bank, IMF, OECD creditor govt combined. The world wanted capitalism well now they've got Communist capitalism.

    If the west would of been smart, they could of done the same, though only certain countries are of interest to the west now the Chinese are just doing business, where the west has lost out.

    Just like the rotten banking system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    find far more than "western" states are involved in trying to establish a puppet state
    You have examples of who is looking to force the "puppet state"? Of are you referring to those offering an alternative solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Myanmar junta and North Korea
    If you believe your own propaganda sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    putting countries into debt and using it to steal their assets.
    There is a TD thread on the topic. Read it and post there your opinions on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    I am sure they have planned the railway already
    I suspect "they" have already discussed far more, with both the current government.

    As well as, the probable new democratically elected government, currently taking responsibility of the Afghan citizens pretty bloodlessly by some accounts.

    But:

    U.S. leaves its last Afghan base, effectively ending operations-zhou-enlai-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You have examples of who is looking to force the "puppet state"?
    Sure. Let's start with Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I think you will find far more than "western" states are involved in trying to establish a puppet state and they too will fail.
    Historically, the proverbial learning curve doesn't appear to play a part, regardless of the vassal holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Sure. Let's start with Pakistan.
    If you're referring to the Taliban, Pakistan has supported that group for decades, I believe. Puppets I'm not so sure.

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    Iran offers to help as Afghan govt meets Taliban in Tehran


    Iran on Wednesday told Taliban and Afghan government representatives it stood ready to help end the crisis in Afghanistan, urging the country's people and politicians to make "difficult decisions" about its future.


    Hosting a meeting of Afghan government representatives and a high-level Taliban political committee, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif called "commitment to political solutions" as "the best choice for Afghanistan's leaders and political movements."


    "Iran is ready to assist the dialogue process between the existing factions in Afghanistan to resolve the current conflicts and crises in that country," Iranian state media quoted Zarif as saying.


    Iran hosts several million Afghan refugees and migrant workers and is deeply concerned about the intensifying turmoil in the neighboring country.

    Russia: Afghan situation can swiftly worsen


    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday that the situation in Afghanistan had a tendency to swiftly deteriorate, and Moscow was ready to defend its regional allies if necessary.


    Lavrov, speaking during a visit to Laos, said Russia was ready to use its military base in Tajikistan, one of its biggest abroad, to ensure the security of its allies in the region.


    "We will do everything we can, including using the capabilities of the Russian military base on Tajikistan's border with Afghanistan, to prevent any aggressive impulses towards our allies," Lavrov said.


    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday told Emomali Rakhmon, president of Tajikistan, that Moscow would help his country contend with the fallout from NATO's exit from neighboring Afghanistan if needed.


    Rakhmon has ordered the mobilization of 20,000 military reservists to bolster his country's border with Afghanistan after more than 1,000 Afghan security personnel fled across the border in response to Taliban's militant advances.

    On Tuesday, Afghan authorities vowed to retake all the districts lost to the Taliban as the pullout of U.S. forces neared completion. Hundreds of commandos were deployed to counter the insurgents' blistering offensive in the north, a day after the government troops fled.


    On Wednesday, the Taliban attacked Qalat-i-Naw, provincial capital of Badghis, the first regional seat they have entered since the launch of their latest offensive, local officials said. The insurgents already control all of the surrounding countryside in the western province.


    Meanwhile, the U.S. Central Command announced that the American withdrawal from the country, ordered in April by President Joe Biden, was now more than 90 percent complete, underscoring that Afghan forces are increasingly on their own in the battle with the Taliban.

    Iran offers to help as Afghan govt meets Taliban in Tehran - CGTN

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Former President Hamid Karzai, who remains an influential figure in Afghan politics and internationally, gave a string of interviews with the foreign media recently where his constant refrain has been that Afghanistan is done with the US interference
    I presume because the development money he and his brother and assorted cronies stole in huge quantities, and laundered through Dubai real estate, has dried up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Iran offers to help as Afghan govt meets Taliban in Tehran
    This could actually be quite destabilising. No wonder the Russians are trying to lock up its borders. The chinkies have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. It's one thing slipping Iran a few quid for really cheap oil when they are desperate, but the talitubbies... well I'm not sure they are going to be as financially motivated. If the chinkies think they can build a few mosques and get the mineral rights, they might have another thing coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I presume because the development money he and his brother and assorted cronies stole in huge quantities, and laundered through Dubai real estate, has dried up.
    Who would refuse when it's offered... Would you? It's surely not so huge portion comparing what was generously brought in - and had it disappeared anyway...

    BTW, at the occasion of the obits for the late Donald there came to the remembrance some 2.3 trillion he was supposed to speak about, unfortunately, the events of 9/11 came across, then peanuts forgotten - such peanuts. You surely know something about that, don't you?

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    The Taliban have entered a key city in western Afghanistan as they continue a rapid advance before Nato troops leave.

    All government officials in Qala-e-Naw, provincial capital of Badghis province, had been moved to a nearby army base, the local governor told the BBC.


    He said the militants were moving "towards the centre of the city" and there was heavy fighting with government troops.


    The Taliban gains come as the US, UK and allies withdraw after 20 years.

    The vast majority of remaining foreign forces in Afghanistan have left ahead of an 11 September deadline, leaving the Afghan military in sole charge of security.


    Local sources have told the BBC the Taliban moved on the prison in Qala-e-Naw and freed about 400 inmates, including more than 100 of the group's fighters.


    Taliban battle their way into western Afghan city - BBC News

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