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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I take whatever the company gets, it's a gamble anyway because they only prevent the three or four strains they *anticipate* being the most prevalant.

    However it has always worked well for me.
    So basically you know fuck all about the vaccine being injected into you, but somehow with the COVID vaccines you are an expert epidemiologist. Give us a break

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    No need to ponder who did the heavy lifting!
    which would be the people who won the Nobel prize for mRNA research ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    First to what?

    The UK was the first to approve and use a vaccine.

    What are you trying to say, get it out man.
    Harry get your facts right man, the first vaccines approved for emergency use were the Chinese Cansino vaccine closely followed by Sputnik V.

    I think you must be referring to the first western country to give emergency use authorisation for a vaccine. The UK was indeed the first to approve the “US” Pfizer BioNtech vaccine for emergency use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    which would be the people who won the Nobel prize for mRNA research ?
    oh ffs I don’t want to argue with Aussies, you guys still think you discovered penicillin

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And if your doctor was giving you Sinovac?
    I do not live in Thailand.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    which would be the people who won the Nobel prize for mRNA research ?
    A Hungarian and an American.

    Rosenstiel Award given to pioneering scientists behind COVID-19 vaccines | BrandeisNOW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Moderna. This company had never produced a vaccine of any type.
    The company's only commercial product is the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.
    Moderna - Wikipedia
    Stéphane Bancel has served as Moderna's Chief Executive Officer since October 2011 and as a member of Moderna’s board of directors since March 2011. Before joining the Company, Mr. Bancel served for five years as Chief Executive Officer of the French diagnostics company bioMérieux SA.
    Executive Committee & Leadership: mRNA Science - Moderna
    Alain Merieux is chairman of Institut Merieux, a medicine and public health conglomerate specializing in diagnostics, immunotherapy and nutrition.

    Alain Mérieux received the Reform Friendship Award at a conference celebrating the 40th anniversary of China's Reform and Opening Up on December 18, 2018. The event took place at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, in the presence of President Xi Jinping.

    Alain Merieux receives the prestigious Chinese Reform Friendship Award - Merieux Foundation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    So basically you know fuck all about the vaccine being injected into you, but somehow with the COVID vaccines you are an expert epidemiologist. Give us a break
    What are you wittering on about now?

    I understand how both vaccines work. With the flu vaccine it's just a question of the strains being covered.

    Don't you know anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Harry get your facts right man, the first vaccines approved for emergency use were the Chinese Cansino vaccine closely followed by Sputnik V.

    I think you must be referring to the first western country to give emergency use authorisation for a vaccine. The UK was indeed the first to approve the “US” Pfizer BioNtech vaccine for emergency use.
    I'm talking about proper vaccines, not this russian and chinky shit that no-one with a functioning brain cell would touch with a fucking bargepole.

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    Mr. Barracuda , you are probably the most brainwashed individual I have come across after years of internet wandering.

    You're a goddamned marvel sire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    Mr. Barracuda , you are probably the most brainwashed individual I have come across after years of internet wandering.

    You're a goddamned marvel sire.

    I generally find Harry to be one of the more knowledgeable individuals on here and if you're talking about brainwashing yet not including the likes of Klongdick and OhOh in that equation, well, that weed you're smoking must be fucking strong stuff.

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    Very useful reads regarding ADE for those of you faced with Sinovac as the only option:

    Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines | MedPage Today

    Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and the Coronavirus Vaccines | In the Pipeline

    It's a no from me, but is now the leading vaccine in BRICS nations and much of the 3rd world.
    Last edited by hallelujah; 31-05-2021 at 04:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    In fairness Klondyke is essentially correct in his post regarding Moderna. This company had never produced a vaccine of any type.

    Their first attempt was hastily withdrawn as being an abject failure. Their share price which had risen exponentially also dropped rapidly at this stage.

    The US pumped masses of $ and resources into this company to get a win. No other country was going to be able to supply a vaccine to the US. National pride was at stake here.
    In fairness Harry is correct in his post... you are silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post

    You are both aware that the Pfizer vaccine is a joint effort with BioNtech. Strange that a small German company would be chosen/required to JV with a much larger and experienced company.

    No need to ponder who did the heavy lifting!

    Yep, the US were going to go to any lengths to save face after their disastrous handling of the pandemic.
    In fairness to Harry again "you don't know anything".

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post


    You could post that to klondick and it would still be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Very useful reads regarding ADE for those of you faced with Sinovac as the only option:

    Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines | MedPage Today

    Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and the Coronavirus Vaccines | In the Pipeline

    It's a no from me, but is now the leading vaccine in BRICS nations and much of the 3rd world.
    Only because the chinkies are throwing it around as part of their "debt diplomacy". They'll get a load more useless motorway and unused airport contracts out of that.

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    In case of any issues with their Covid vaccine, drugs companies won't be held accountable as they have a clause shielding them from prosecution.

    Pfizer has been hit hard in pharmaceutical fraud cases in the past, Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson have been found guilty as well. So
    they covered their bases with this one.

    Quick list of the highest pharmaceutical settlements with the US (there are other fraud cases in other countries)
    Last edited by Farang Ky Ay; 31-05-2021 at 03:03 PM.

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    Did you forget that there was an orange moron in the Oval Office at the time the pandemic started? It wasn't until January of this year that a reasonable adult took over. That said since then America now has given a jab to over 50% of its massive population. How is the vaccine rollout in OZ going?[/QUOTE]

    It is fair to say Australia has been poor in the Vaccine roll out. The federal govt did not have the urgency other countries faced with such low case numbers and its reliance on the Astra zenica, which is now manufactured in Australia and has made many potential recipients reluctant to get the jab over blood clot concerns and the sporadic banning/unbanning in various countries, put them behind the eight ball. Certainly poor planning and roll out which, should the virus break out, will damage the governments already poor performance even further.
    I think Australia had the first vaccine but it was scrapped when people who had taken it gave a false positive to an HIV test, due to the HIV virus being the base of the vaccine. The govt lost millions of investment dollars and I am still aghast how anyone, be they the researchers, the Queensland university or the government thought that people would accept a vaccine extracted from HIV. That was never going to fly regardless of its safety.
    The low covid numbers have been helped by Australia being an Island, a relatively small population on a large land mass, much less severe winters and in some places no real winter at all and the numerous lockdowns and good overall compliance by most Australians, together with international flight bans and quarantining of people coming from overseas. This has allowed the majority to get on with their lives with little restriction. In QLD everything here is fairly back to pre covid normality. Other than a few travel restrictions.

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