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    Indonesian submarine goes missing north of Bali



    Indonesia has launched search efforts for a navy submarine which has gone missing with 53 people on board, officials say.

    The submarine was conducting a drill in waters north of the island of Bali but failed to report back the results.

    Indonesia's military chief said warships had been dispatched to find the KRI Nanggala-402 vessel.

    Officials have called on Australia and Singapore to help in the search. The countries have not publicly commented.

    The German-made submarine is thought to have disappeared in waters about 60 miles (96km) off the coast of Bali early on Wednesday morning.



    "[The navy] is currently searching for it. We know the area but it's quite deep," First Admiral Julius Widjojono told AFP news agency.

    Some reports say contact was lost after the submarine had been given clearance to dive into deeper waters.

    The vessel is one of five submarines operated by Indonesia.

    It was made in the late 1970s, and underwent a two-year refit in South Korea that was completed in 2012, according to Reuters news agency.



    Indonesian submarine goes missing north of Bali - BBC News
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    Oh shit. Another one of these. I just watched something about the Argentinian sub that went missing in 2017

    This retired USN sonerman will have it covered. He figured out the Argentina one at 51:30

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    Poor buggers in a 50 year old tin can deep underwater.

    RIP.

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    Hope it wasnt Samsung. They make SFA thats any good outside of video screens and a few chips. The latest news says The Indonesian govt that loves to criticise Australia has asked for its help in locating the submarine.

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    Possibly entangled in the plastic bags and discarded fishing nets that engulf the sea around Bali

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    The latest news says The Indonesian govt that loves to criticise Australia has asked for its help in locating the submarine.
    Perhaps they are thinking that this is no time to let petty minds get in the way of trying to save lives.

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    trying to save lives.
    if they were concerned with saving lives they would have decommissioned the 50 year old sub 30 years ago.

    most asian countries have little concern for the lives of their footsoldiers and sailors, unless of course they are festooned with medals and and are of high rank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    if they were concerned with saving lives they would have decommissioned the 50 year old sub 30 years ago.
    It was commissioned in 1980

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    Indonesian submarine goes missing north of Bali-eb444119-5daa-43fb-b7d0-0af37874ff95-jpeg
    The crew and officers of the KRI Nanggala-402 participate in a ceremony aboard the submarine at the naval base in Surabaya, Indonesia, Feb. 20, 2019 [Indonesian National Armed Forces handout via AFP]


    Indonesia: Search on for Submarine Missing off Bali

    The Indonesian military is searching for a Navy submarine carrying a crew of 53 that went missing during an exercise off Bali on Wednesday, officials confirmed.


    The German-made KRI Nanggala-402 disappeared about 95 km (59 miles) north of the island at about 3 a.m. after being cleared to dive, Navy spokesman Julius Widjojono said, adding that an electrical failure could have caused the crew to lose control.


    “The submarine was about to simulate a torpedo attack, but it failed to report back and we lost contact,” Julius told BenarNews. “At least 53 crew members were in the submarine.”


    The Associated Press reported the submarine was carrying a crew of 49 along with its commander and three gunners.


    “The result of a temporary analysis shows that there is a possibility of an electrical failure resulting in the crew losing control of it and not being able to carry out emergency procedures,” Julius said.


    Late Wednesday, the Defense Ministry said that a helicopter conducting surveillance of the area where the submarine was last seen had reported an oil slick in the water.


    The oil spill may have resulted from possible damage to the sub’s fuel tank caused by water pressure, Julius said.


    In addition to the helicopter, the military deployed several ships equipped with sonar technology to locate the submarine. The military also reached out to Singapore and Australia, which have rescue vessels, to assist in the search, officials said, adding that navies from those countries and others, including India, have offered to assist.


    Last year, the Indonesian military said it had five submarines, including two built by South Korea’s Daewoo – while noting only three were operational.


    The Nanggala-402 was built by German company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft in 1979. The diesel-powered submarine can dive for three months at a maximum depth of 500 meters (1,640 feet), is armed with 14 torpedoes and has a firing range of up to 2 miles (3.2 km), according to the Indonesian military.


    The submarine was in Bali waters to prepare for a war exercise scheduled for Thursday. Indonesian National Armed Forces chief Air Marshal Hadi Tjahjanto and Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Yudho Margono were expected to attend.


    Hadi planned to hold a media briefing on Thursday in Bali regarding the missing submarine, a military spokesman told Reuters news service.


    Maritime security


    Connie Rahakundini Bakrie, a military analyst at the University of Indonesia, said losing a submarine would be a big blow to the Indonesian Navy and the nation’s maritime security.


    “Submarines are an important element of a large and strong navy,” she told BenarNews.


    Ideally, Indonesia should have 12 submarines to protect its territorial waters, she said.


    “If it is lost, our armament will be even less strong,” she said. “It will be even more difficult to realize our dream of becoming a maritime fulcrum.”


    Indonesian President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo vowed to enforce the country’s sovereignty over South China Sea waters, during a visit to a military base in the Natuna Islands in January 2020.


    Just days before the president visited the base, military officials said about 30 Chinese ships had been sighted in Indonesian territory, accompanied by two Chinese Coast Guard ships and a fishing surveillance vessel. The previous month, the Foreign Ministry had summoned Chinese Ambassador Xiao Qian to protest the presence of at least 65 Chinese ships in Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone off the islands.


    China claims nearly all of the South China Sea as its own while five other governments – Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam – have claims to territories that overlap with Beijing. Indonesia does not regard itself as party to the South China Sea dispute even though China claims historic rights to parts of the sea overlapping its EEZ.


    Indonesia previously had a fleet of 12 submarines purchased from the Soviet Union, according to local media and wire reports.


    In March, South Korea’s Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) handed over the KRI Alugoro submarine to the Indonesian Navy.


    It is the first submarine assembled locally in Indonesia by the state-owned shipbuilding company PT PAL, the government said.


    Dave Laksono, an MP, urged the Indonesian military to audit its equipment and review standard operating procedures for training.


    “We need to ensure that all TNI equipment is in prime condition to carry out operations and exercises,” he said using an acronym for the armed forces.


    Indonesia: Search on for Submarine Missing off Bali — BenarNews
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    S.Korea did the refit so it probably wasn't a necessarily jalope submarine despite its age.

    These poor countries shouldn't have submarines. They are the most complicated things on earth

    50+ Crewmembers Likely Doomed As Missing Indonesian Submarine Feared Too Deep To Retrieve | ZeroHedge

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    Growing fears for missing Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala 402 as oxygen supply runs out

    There are grave fears for 53 submariners aboard missing Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala 402, with oxygen supplies running out.

    The sailors aboard a missing Indonesian submarine have enough oxygen to last until Saturday, aboard a vessel that had been in


    There are growing fears for the crew of a submarine that went missing with 53 people aboard off the coast of Bali.
    Authorities lost contact with Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala 402 after it submerged early Wednesday during a torpedo drill.
    The crew could have enough oxygen until early Saturday, but hope is fading as rescuers continue to search waters near where it disappeared.

    The crew and officers on-board the Indonesian Cakra class submarine KRI Nanggala. Indonesia's military said it was searching for the submarine with 53 crew aboard after losing contact with the vessel. Picture: AFPSource:AFP


    An oil slick was spotted by an Indonesian search crew. Picture: Indonesian NavySource:Supplied

    RELATED: Submarine missing off Bali with 53 on board
    An oil spill has been located near where the submarine was thought to have submerged, pointing to possible fuel-tank damage.
    “There’s time until Saturday around 3am (1am AEST). Let’s hope we can find them before then,” Navy Chief of Staff Yudo Margono told reporters.
    Defence analysts have warned that the vessel could have already broken into pieces if it has sunk to depths believed to be as much as 700 metres. That is well below what it was built to withstand.
    Indonesia’s president Joko Widodo asked his country to pray for the crew, while Australian Defence Minister Peter Dutton said initial reports raised the prospect of a “terrible tragedy”.
    The German-built submarine was scheduled to conduct live torpedo exercises when it asked for permission to dive. It lost contact shortly afterwards.
    Search teams were focused on an area around the oil slick.
    The exact location of the vessel had yet to be pinpointed, the navy said, with warships and helicopters assisting in the hunt.
    RACE AGAINST TIME
    Damage to the submarine’s fuel tank could spell big trouble.
    “If your tank’s cracked it is not very good news,” said Collin Koh, a naval affairs specialist and research fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore.
    “Because we are talking about the pressure hull of the submarine being breached. So it could cause potential flooding.”

    Indonesian Cakra submarine KRI Nanggala sailing out from the port in Cilegon, Banten. Picture: AFPSource:AFP


    Members of the Indonesia Rescue Agency prepare to take part in the search operation for an Indonesian Navy submarine that went missing during military exercises. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

    Neighbouring Singapore and Malaysia have already dispatched ships that are expected to arrive in the coming days, including the city-state’s MV Swift Rescue — a submarine rescue vessel.
    India said Thursday it had sent a ship to assist in the hunt, while the United States, Australia, France and Germany are among other nations that have offered help.
    Indonesia’s military has so far refused to comment about whether the decades-old submarine, carrying 53 crew, was over capacity.
    But it has said the submarine might have sunk to vast depths after a blackout that left its crew powerless to control the vessel.
    “There are too many unknowns right now,” said Curie Maharani, a defence expert at Indonesia’s Bina Nusantara university.
    “But what we do know is that it’s a race against time.” Frank Owen, secretary of the Submarine Institute of Australia, warned that rescuing any surviving crew quickly would be near impossible.
    “If the submarine is on the seabed, and if it is in the depth of water that is there, there is little they can do to actually get the people out,” he told Australian media.
    AUSTRALIA OFFERS SUPPORT
    Foreign Minister Marise Payne offered assistance to the Indonesian military for its rescue operation.
    “We are obviously very concerned about these reports,” she told ABC’s AM.
    “It’s very distressing for families and particularly for the Indonesian Navy.
    “We operate very different submarines from this one, but the Australian Defence Force and Australian Defence organisation will work with defence operations in Indonesia to determine what we may be able to do.
    “We will go to the support of our neighbour in any way we can.”
    WORKHORSE SUBMARINE
    Indonesia, which has been moving to upgrade its ageing military equipment in recent years, has five German and South Korean-built submarines in its fleet.
    The 1300-tonne KRI Nanggala 402 was first delivered for service in 1981. It is a Type 209 diesel-electric attack submarine, a model that over the past half century has featured in more than a dozen navies around the world, including those of Greece, India, Argentina and Turkey.
    While Indonesia has not previously suffered a major submarine disaster, other countries have been struck by accidents in the past.
    Among them was the 2000 sinking of the Kursk, the pride of Russia’s Northern Fleet.
    That submarine was on manoeuvres in the Barents Sea when it sank with the loss of all 118 aboard.
    An inquiry found a torpedo had exploded, detonating all the others.
    Most of its crew died instantly but some survived for several days — with a few keeping heartbreaking diaries written in blood to their loved ones — before suffocating.
    In 2003, 70 Chinese naval officers and crew were killed, apparently suffocated, in an accident on a Ming-class submarine during exercises in 2003.
    Five years later, 20 people were killed by poisonous gas when a fire extinguishing system was accidentally activated on a Russian submarine being tested in the Sea of Japan.
    And in 2018, authorities found the wreckage of an Argentine submarine that had gone missing a year earlier with 44 sailors aboard.
    – with AFP

    Growing fears for missing Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala 402 as oxygen supply runs out




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    I'll keep the sailors in my prayers.

    Miracles do happen.

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    What is it about 3rd world countries and their overwhelming desire to have submarines in their navy when masses of their citizens live hand to mouth on a daily basis.

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    Dunno - but only countries without deprivation should be allowed submarines, defo.

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    ^ I never met anyone in Indonesia who was starving.

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    S.Korea did the refit so it probably wasn't a necessarily jalope submarine despite its age.
    s.korea may have done a decent refit, but that doesnt mean the indos maintained it properly.

    10 years is more than enough time for serious neglect to take place once back in the hands of the indonesians.

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    In my outsider idea:
    Shouldn't these coffins be furnished with a large buoy that in case of distress would be launched to the water surface remitting strong signals to be caught by the satellite systems? - just an idea (patent pending...)

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    ^A good idea. It has been discussed before in terms of downed aircraft.

    It's a head scratcher all right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    These poor countries shouldn't have submarines.
    Especially when there's no regional superpower laying claim to pretty much every neighbour's territorial waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    They are the most complicated things on earth
    A diesel propelled pressure shell isn't something I'd consider complicated...

    Quick death for the crew if it imploded...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Dunno - but only countries without deprivation should be allowed submarines, defo.
    Agree
    And other millitary


    And that leaves countries like.....

    Monaco ?

    I guess we could live under that tyranny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    A diesel propelled pressure shell isn't something I'd consider complicated...

    Quick death for the crew if it imploded...
    Meeting your demise with your mates in a powerless, dark, sinking submarine isn't necessarily all that bad.

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    My sub guru finally did a piece on it. By the sounds of it he thinks that the sub should not have been doing a dive test a 3 am after a days work or torpedo exercises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    In my outsider idea:
    Shouldn't these coffins be furnished with a large buoy that in case of distress would be launched to the water surface remitting strong signals to be caught by the satellite systems? - just an idea (patent pending...)
    I believe only the Russians have put escape capsules on subs. Not all of them but some.


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    The worlds biggests sub, the Russian Typhoon class , had a huge escape pod.


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