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    Given the extensive list of documents required to visit I cannot think of why anyone would bother to come here unless they have family or business commitments. Given that lockdowns, restrictions and effectively embargoes on fun can be introduced at any time following the inevitable outbreaks, what on earth would be the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Given the extensive list of documents required to visit I cannot think of why anyone would bother to come here unless they have family or business commitments. Given that lockdowns, restrictions and effectively embargoes on fun can be introduced at any time following the inevitable outbreaks, what on earth would be the point.
    I was considering buying a condo SA.

    Got any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Given the extensive list of documents required to visit I cannot think of why anyone would bother to come here unless they have family or business commitments. Given that lockdowns, restrictions and effectively embargoes on fun can be introduced at any time following the inevitable outbreaks, what on earth would be the point.
    I completely agree.
    As one who is going through the process right now , I will attest that if I did not have to come to Thailand , there is no way I would put up with this insanity.
    If one has to produce all these documents to get a COE , why should they have to produce them again? It makes no sense, creates problems, and delays entrance at the airport. Wife showed me a YouTube video that a lady had posted , where they waited for four hours at the airport to be processed and taken to the ASQ because of all the problems people had with documents that were already certified from the embassy and a COE issued.
    --The embassy is so overwhelmed with paperwork they cant make an appointment to renew Thai passports for Three months, so Thais like my wife whose passport is expired are forced to apply for emergency permission to travel to Thailand. The process to issue such emergency travel certificate is a lot more work for them that to simply renew the passport.
    Why not just say " Because do to covid we are backlogged and cant renew passports in a timely manner , all passports expiring 2021 are aromatically extended another year. Problem solved.
    --Covid insurance. Why is it required from people who are vaccinated??? I know there is a small chance that they might still get covid, and of that small number of people who were vaccinated and got covid maybe one or two might get sick enough to require medical intervention, though none has been reported yet. Is the chance that it might save Thailand from having to treat one or two people that were vaccinated but still got sick, worth all the tourists the will not go there ??
    Both me and the wife have top self BCBS American insurance, with unlimited coverage anywhere in the world ( And I have a letter saying so) including Thailand since last I checked Thailand was in the world. They said they wanted a letter saying that it covered us for $100K , It took me a week of back and forth to convince them that UNLIMITED was better than $100K by an UNLIMITED amount. and it is not the people working at the embassy, they are wonderful and are working their ass off, It is the government and the autocracy they impose on them.
    --Yesterday I got verbal confirmation the my Visa is now on track for a May 4 departure, by a person working at the embassy who is working on getting my wife's special permission to Travel , and wanted to coordinate the two because the special permission to travel is only good for a month .
    Anyway the point is, If we did not have to go to Thailand, there is no way we would have put up with any of that . we would have simply chosen a different destination, or vacationed classer to home for this year.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    the virus is just part of natures continuing fightback against the overpopulation that threatens to disturbs the natural balance that has enabled the planet to survive for millenia. the virus is not going anywhere soon. turning off your aircon and central heating, cars going electric, saving the rainforests and that ugly bint gretas stupid threats will all amount to nothing. nature knows full well how to take care of things, and it doesn't care one iota if the human race survives or not.

    this virus and others (along with resistance to the life saving antibiotics that have made infection control so efficient over the past 100 years ) will be with us for a long time and as they mutate and we become increasingly powerless to control them the population will over the next few hundred years reduce to a size compatible with the ability of the planets resources to sustain that population, a situation that certainly does not exist in the frenzy of mad consumerism at the moment.

    the increasing stupidity of the human race and their rulers (witness the large gatherings in india over the past few weeks, the warped minds of the anti vaxxers, the drunken crowds that fill the streets of europe whenever a bar or pub is released from lockdown or a poundland store re opens and of course the thai hi so in their strip clubs and casinos) and you can see how we are going out of our way in helping the virus to achieve its goal.

    the virus is enjoying its freedom as it rolls unhindered around the planet doing natures bidding.

    and as for our freedoms, well , holidaying in thailand or jumping on a plane at a moments notice are just the dreams of the deluded as we in our blinkered complacency refuse to adapt to what is becoming our new normality.

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    As I predicted, once this idiotic Songkran ends its gormless parade of utter stupidity the country will be back into lockdown.

    And those fucking idiots who travelled here for fun and fucking???

    Surely, this is indeed The Age of The Stupid.

    And if the fat generals don't pull their fingers out and get rid of the mafia politicians who managed this disaster then the next coup is but a formality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    If one has to produce all these documents to get a COE , why should they have to produce them again?
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    Some people buy "documents" online. Thai authorities protecting Thai citizens. Thai rules in Thailand ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    The embassy is so overwhelmed with paperwork
    As I and others have indicated our experience when dealing with Thai embassies, Thai airport officials and Thai ASQ hotels have been exemplary. UK embassy in Thailand ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Is the chance that it might save Thailand from having to treat one or two people that were vaccinated but still got sick, worth all the tourists the will not go there ??
    As the world is experiencing, one carrier can explode the numbers in hours. As for tourists as you suggest go elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    They said they wanted a letter saying that it covered us for $100K ,
    Seasoned travellers usually take the easy route. If a document is specifically requested, produce it.

    When I returned to Thailand I initially sent the Emirates airlines insurance as evidence of the requested insurance for the COE. They requested a "proper insurance company". A simple online search and submission of a UK company document satisfied them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    If we did not have to go to Thailand,
    Many countries are demanding, if one leaves the UK without permission arrests and fines will follow. Being allowed to board a plane to visit my son in Texas some years ago, required pre-authorisation. My passport accepted, mostly worldwide, was apparently insufficient.

    No paperwork, no flight. C'est la vie.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    The Thai E-Visa tracking shows all phases completed and passport returned. Indicates my passport returned nothing if it was rejected or approved. No email also. Can anybody shed some light on this? Thank you!

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    So today I got an Email from the Embassy that my Visa was approved and my passport was being mailed back to me with a tracking number, so i guess they accepted my Blue cross blue shield insurance. and that wife's emergency travel were finalized and she should be getting them in the mail also.
    So the next step is to get an ASQ , which we will do tomorrow, and do our COE.
    May 4th is our flight. We are excited.

    PS: unless wife objects, which I don't thin k so, I will be making reservations at the CenterPoint hotel Harry suggested, I checked it out on trip advisor , it got top rating, and does not cost that much more than others , So Thank You Harry.
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    The hospitals are filling up, patients are being herded into field hospitals, the university campus infrastructure is being prepared nationwide to take the expected numbers that are overwhelming the health service, the entire country is shortly to enter full lockdown with only supermarkets open to the public, all public amenities including beaches are soon to close, all restaurants, bars etc are soon to either close or limit themselves to deliveries and there is no prospect whatsoever of a national vaccination programme starting before July.

    And you are excited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I will be making reservations at the CenterPoint hotel Harry suggested
    You have confirmed the kitchen appliances supplied in your room choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    As I predicted, once this idiotic Songkran ends its gormless parade of utter stupidity the country will be back into lockdown.
    How very perspicacious of you.

    The government is confident it can overcome the current Covid-19 crisis without needing to impose a nationwide lockdown, Public Health Minister Anutin Chanvirakul said on Thursday. Speaking after a meeting of the national committee on communicable diseases, an upbeat Mr Anutin announced: "We have seen no point in imposing a lockdown for the time being".

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2100231/lockdown-not-needed-anutin

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You have confirmed the kitchen appliances supplied in your room choice?
    No I have not. I have not called yet, I will call in the morning here in the US.
    What about kitchen appliances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    How very perspicacious of you.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2100231/lockdown-not-needed-anutin
    Anutin is saving face, not only for himself but for the others who agreed to this daft songkran.

    Of course, allowing the national movement of millions has ensured the contagion has spread around the country so in that sense, yes, there is little point in a lockdown but in reality he hasn't said that at all.

    They have in fact agreed to 18 red zones and a raft of measures but they still haven't had the meeting with Prayuth. The thing is Anutin is proposing that governors should decide on how to act and is ducking responsibility. That he can say everything is under control and blithely state the problem is one of mobility after he sanctioned songkran as viable is beyond belief.

    Not only have they mobilised university campuses to cater for the overflow in victims but the army has just set up another two field hospitals.

    'Arry, if you believe that man then you are an even bigger tosser than I took you for.

    I prefer to believe the various real health professionals who condemned songkran and wanted an immediate lockdown.

    But hey, it's not as if you are ever going to get the full story, eh 'Arry, you fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Anutin is saving face, not only for himself but for the others who agreed to this daft songkran.

    Of course, allowing the national movement of millions has ensured the contagion has spread around the country so in that sense, yes, there is little point in a lockdown but in reality he hasn't said that at all.

    They have in fact agreed to 18 red zones and a raft of measures but they still haven't had the meeting with Prayuth. The thing is Anutin is proposing that governors should decide on how to act and is ducking responsibility. That he can say everything is under control and blithely state the problem is one of mobility after he sanctioned songkran as viable is beyond belief.

    Not only have they mobilised university campuses to cater for the overflow in victims but the army has just set up another two field hospitals.

    'Arry, if you believe that man then you are an even bigger tosser than I took you for.

    I prefer to believe the various real health professionals who condemned songkran and wanted an immediate lockdown.

    But hey, it's not as if you are ever going to get the full story, eh 'Arry, you fucking idiot.

    Calm down muppet.

    As I've said from the very beginning, there will be an innumerable amount of flips and corresponding flops before Thailand gets its ducks in a row (if it ever does).

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    The thing is 'Arry, whereas in years gone by there were any number of decent farang here who knew the score about the reality of Thai politics and its spider's web architecture of corruption, cronyism, malfeasance, peculation, nepotism and just plain incompetence, these days the scope of having an intelligent conversation is ever decreasing. It really is getting to be a bore these days when one encounters naive or just stupidly credulous farang who are daft enough to take the Thai at face value.

    Prayuth is struggling but in order to form a government was forced to get into bed with the Bumjaithai party whose membership seems to inspire as much confidence as a concrete parachute. Its leader is really a disgrace and his new found sangfroid probably stems from the fact he has been vaccinated whereas the rest of we 65 millions have not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    What about kitchen appliances?
    Some hotels offer rooms with a kitchen area. Often including plates, cups cutlery, kettle etc.

    My ASQ may have done, but my room had nothing. This means you will be reliant on the food provided. My hotel had a choice of approx 20 to 30 main dish choices. The quality varied. I was not aware that there was a means of ordering anything else.

    Mendip had booked a room in a hotel which "came" with a kitchen. When he opened the draws and cupboards they were bare. IIRC he posted all the kitchen equipment was taken away for cleanliness/hygiene reasons.

    'arry has suggested his hotel advertises rooms with kitchens but has not confired it. He also mentioned a shop where food/drink/meals may be available.

    My prompt to you, if the room selected indicates a kitchen, and you may feel it useful, confirm with the hotel what is included. Similarly, the shop, what is available and how do you place an order/pay and collect it.

    Your hotel may have very good food and able to deliver anything you desire. Now is the time to confirm rather than finding out when you enter the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post

    the increasing stupidity of the human race and their rulers .........
    ..........the virus is enjoying its freedom as it rolls unhindered around the planet doing natures bidding.

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    Is this the new catechism for a Tax praying at the altar serving the great goddess Gaia?

    Or the silly mytherings of a deluded malthusian devotee obsessed by the doctrine of overpopulation exhausting finite resources.

    Frankly, as a rabid Brexiteer gorging on the soma of the Tory ERG propaganda I imagine that when it comes to stupidity you have Phd on the subject, Tax.

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    My wife's ASQ also had a kitchen, but no pans, pots or anything a person could use to cook. There was a kettle, so if some one is clever enough to make something other than coffee, tea, or instant noodles...

    She could order in things from 7/11, but there was a 10% convenience fee for that. I think she only ordered fresh milk as she, like me, can't stand Coffeemate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The thing is 'Arry, whereas in years gone by there were any number of decent farang here who knew the score about the reality of Thai politics and its spider's web architecture of corruption, cronyism, malfeasance, peculation, nepotism and just plain incompetence, these days the scope of having an intelligent conversation is ever decreasing. It really is getting to be a bore these days when one encounters naive or just stupidly credulous farang who are daft enough to take the Thai at face value.

    Prayuth is struggling but in order to form a government was forced to get into bed with the Bumjaithai party whose membership seems to inspire as much confidence as a concrete parachute. Its leader is really a disgrace and his new found sangfroid probably stems from the fact he has been vaccinated whereas the rest of we 65 millions have not.
    Prayuth has disappeared.

    In an ICU coughing his guts up maybe?

    Authorities have decided against a curfew but schools will be closed while large gatherings and other high-risk activities will be suspended for two weeks from Sunday to control the fast-spreading new Covid-19 outbreak.
    The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) decided against a curfew because it would affect people’s incomes, especially those at the grassroots level, said spokesman Taweesilp Visanuyothin.
    Instead, it decided to close schools and educational institutions, except international schools which had to organise examinations, he said on Friday.
    Also banned are any activities where more than 50 people gather, except approved activities including those at quarantine venues.
    Entertainment and service places including pubs, bars, karaoke shops and massage parlours will be closed.


    The CCSA declared 18 provinces red or maximum-control zones. They are Bangkok, Khon Kaen, Chon Buri, Chiang Mai, Tak, Nakhon Pathom, Nakhon Ratchasima, Nonthaburi, Pathum Thani, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Phuket, Rayong, Songkhla, Samut Prakan, Samut Sakhon, Sa Kaeo, Suphan Buri and Udon Thani.
    The new rules were issued as the country reported a record 1,582 new coronavirus cases on Friday. That brought the five-day total since Monday to 6,400 — more than 50% higher than the number of infections seen nationwide in the first nine months of the outbreak last year.
    In the "red" provinces, dining at restaurants is allowed until 9pm and sales of takeaway food until 11pm. “This is to keep businesses alive,” Dr Taweesilp said. However, consumption of alcoholic beverages is banned at restaurants.
    Shopping centres, department stores and community malls will close at 9pm, an hour earlier than usual, and visitor numbers must be limited. They are not allowed to organise promotional events or open amusement parks and game arcades on their premises.
    Convenience stores, supermarkets, flea markets and walking streets must close from 11pm to 4am.
    Sports fields, exercise venues, gymnasiums and fitness clubs must close at 9pm. Sports competitions are permitted with limited numbers of spectators.
    The remaining 59 provinces have been designated orange or control zones, where restaurants can open for dining and takeaway sales until 11pm. Consumption of alcoholic beverages is banned, though.
    The same rules that apply to malls and department stores in red zones apply in the orange zones, but there are no restrictions at convenience stores, supermarkets, flea markets, walking streets and venues for sports and exercise.
    Provincial authorities were also allowed to impose disease-control measures in their areas as they see fit.
    The CCSA asked people to delay holding parties. Employers are urged to let staff work outside offices, to come in on alternate working days, or to implement other measures to reduce infection risk.
    The Covid task force also ordered health, administrative and security authorities to find more locations suitable to set up field hospitals and quarantine facilities, possibly at schools, hotels, auditoriums and private properties, Dr Taweesilp said.
    No curfew, gatherings banned for 2 weeks

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    Another email from the ASQ, this time asking for PCR Test result, Insurance certificate and COE.

    Hopefully that is the last of the admin.

    They also sent me a nice email saying:

    ASQ delivery rules and regulations
    . We allow for all online food delivery (GRAB, LINEMAN, FOOD PAND and related), your family, relatives and friends to bring you home cooked food, groceries or personal item. A package must be opened and inspected by our staff. Your delivery people must sign a consent form to take a full responsibility if anything happens caused by their delivered items. (We forbid any alcohol drinks, sharp objects, medicine or fresh foods)

    . We allow an online delivery from outside third party companies such as Shopee, Lazada, TOPs or 7-11 (We forbid any alcohol drinks, sharp objects, medicine and fresh foods). All delivery must be paid in advance by guest's own account. Hotel will not be responsible for any payment if you prefer the hotel to pay in advance, there would be a surcharge applied. All packages must be opened and inspected by our staff before sending to your room.

    . You call ask our staff to buy groceries, dried foods and etc. for you (We forbid any alcohol drinks, sharp objects, medicine or fresh foods). We can buy from 7-11, TOPs supermarket and Robinson Department Store. Please be noted there is 20% surcharge for every bill to your room.
    . All above rules and regulations is subjected to change without prior notice

    For relaxation area, the medical service and facilities service details as below:
    Day 0 : Check in date
    After check in, guests are not allowed to go outside their room.
    Day 5 : 1st Swab Test
    After the 2nd Swap Test with negative result : guest can go to facility floor with advance reservation. Guest can play fitness, and relax at outdoor observation deck on 23rd floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Another email from the ASQ, this time asking for PCR Test result, Insurance certificate and COE.

    Hopefully that is the last of the admin.

    They also sent me a nice email saying:
    " The 5th day you have the first swab test, after the second swab test you can go out of your room. "
    When is the second swab test? if the first one is the 5yh day, the second one would be the sixth or seventh day at least, so if you are staying there 7 days , you would be allowed out of your room when you are ready to leave?
    Is that correct? I thought that the Government regulations for vaccinated people, stated that you were allowed out of your room after the third day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    " The 5th day you have the first swab test, after the second swab test you can go out of your room. "
    When is the second swab test? if the first one is the 5yh day, the second one would be the sixth or seventh day at least, so if you are staying there 7 days , you would be allowed out of your room when you are ready to leave?
    Is that correct? I thought that the Government regulations for vaccinated people, stated that you were allowed out of your room after the third day.
    Frankly I am fucked if I know or care.

    I think you have a test on day one and day five.

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    ...and the unnecessary angst continues on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    ...and the unnecessary angst continues on.
    Don't worry Jeff, it's nothing you'll ever have to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalEden View Post
    The Thai E-Visa tracking shows all phases completed and passport returned. Indicates my passport returned nothing if it was rejected or approved. No email also. Can anybody shed some light on this? Thank you!
    Buckaroo got email, but tere were extinuating circumstances regarding his wife. Is it normal for the Visa to be returned without any notification of action taken the Visa Review.

    I enclosed a USPS Overnite for the return of my passport. It was logged into the LA Distribution 8:44 PM yesterday and did not leave until about hour ago. So looking like I'll get it tomorrow.

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