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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    What visa are you trying to come in on?
    None at the moment. I'm waiting for my local embassy to issue new instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    None at the moment. I'm waiting for my local embassy to issue new instructions.
    Same here. In the Washington DC Thai Embassy, FB page they are still posting the 7 day for vaccinated proposal starting April 1sr.
    But in a conversation my wife had with them yesterday, concerning her expired Thai passport. (they are backed up for months and cant renew, so she has to either come in as American, or get an Emergency authorization ) but concerning the new rules, they told het that less than a week before they are to be implemented they had not even got new instructions.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Guess I’m a bit confused as to why you guys are going through the embassy when all you need to do is follow the COE page. Assuming you have the visa (or not).

    Are you guys waiting for confirmation of quarantine period? You’ve got 15 days after your initial COE application pre-approval to actually book your ASQ and flights.

    Either way I wouldn’t sweat it.

    Although the the expired thai passport is a problem, the thai embassy should be able to easily give an emergency reparation letter to get home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    None at the moment. I'm waiting for my local embassy to issue new instructions.

    Which might be subject to change from week to week.

    Stand by.....

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    Well I just had a long chat with the nice lady at the embassy and they haven't *officially* heard any changes from the MFA since OCTOBER (!)

    But they have been told they can start using 10 days quarantine from 1st April. It was made abundantly clear that this does not include

    - The day you arrive
    - The day you depart

    I am having a separate conversation with the ASQ hotel and they are telling me they now do a 12day/11night package.

    The procedure here is

    1. Getting Visa

    - email all the documents to the embassy with your required dates:

    Visa Application Form
    Passport copy
    Residence Permit and National ID (for the sandpit)
    No objection letter from employer (stating name, passport no. position and basic salary)
    Copy of plane ticket
    Copy of hotel reservation (Not ASQ, the rest)
    Two Passport photos
    Bank statement with minimum balance of several thousand dollars for each of the last six months (the number is too round to be a global standard).
    They then call you for an appointment to pay for the Visa.

    2. Getting Certificate of Entry

    After your Visa is approved, you go to this site and follow the instructions to apply for COE.

    ระบบลงทะเบียนคนไทยที่จะเดินทางกลับเข้าประเทศ


    3. Boarding

    That site says you still need Fit-to-Fly and PCR Test results as well as COE and Visa.

    Who knows?


    The Thai Embassy in Denmark has this on their page which makes no mention of bank statements or any of that crap.

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    I asked about Visa exempt and she said the documents are the same.

    I doubt that's true but that's how they are doing it in the absence of any useful information from Bangkok.

    Typical headless chickens running around because the people at the top don't know what they're doing and haven't told anyone.

    I think I'll hold off another week, maybe longer. It seems to be an utter shambles as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    1. Getting Visa

    - email all the documents to the embassy with your required dates:

    Visa Application Form
    Passport copy
    Residence Permit and National ID (for the sandpit)
    No objection letter from employer (stating name, passport no. position and basic salary)
    Copy of plane ticket
    Copy of hotel reservation (Not ASQ, the rest)
    Two Passport photos
    Bank statement with minimum balance of several thousand dollars for each of the last six months (the number is too round to be a global standard).
    The employer letter, non-ASQ accommodation, and months of bank statements are bizarre. I keep asking what visa you’re applying for because I’m in Saudi at the moment, and my extension of stay expires in July. If I don’t make it back before then, I’ll need to decide what to do.

    If you’re applying for a family related visa and they are asking for all that noise, then I’ll just go on a visa-exempt 45 day entry then swap in-country to a single entry family non-o.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Guess I’m a bit confused as to why you guys are going through the embassy when all you need to do is follow the COE page. Assuming you have the visa (or not).

    Are you guys waiting for confirmation of quarantine period? You’ve got 15 days after your initial COE application pre-approval to actually book your ASQ and flights.

    Either way I wouldn’t sweat it.

    Although the the expired Thai passport is a problem, the thai embassy should be able to easily give an emergency reparation letter to get home.
    Yes indeed, We just downloaded the Emergency Repatriation application , it is 8 pages long, and in Thai, so I cant help her , my wife says it is very complicated, and she rather come to Thailand with her American passport and pay for the covid insurance. We will see.
    Today she will call to find out what the minimum length of insurance she needs to purchase. She will ask for me also.
    But we do need to apply for the COE application, if I understand this correctly and we need to provide:
    Copy of passport
    Copy of the STV, non-immigrant visa, or extension of stay with a re-entry permit
    Copy of the Health Insurance Policy covering treatment and medical expenses related to COVID-19 with a minimum coverage of 100,000 USD.
    Copy of confirmed flight booking
    Copy of confirmed Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ) hotel booking

    First problem is the visa: until we resolve my wife status, we don't know if we need a visa for her. or can we travel under the visa exempt provision and sort things out when we get there?

    Second problem, we don't have a travel date yet cause I have a business matter that has not been scheduled yet, but hope to be resolved in the next 4-6 weeks. I am meeting today with my lawyer in four hours and I would know better.

    Third problem is we need resolve the health insurance requirement issues. By the wey are both covered in Thailand by out BCCS US based insurance , but I don't think the embassy will accept it. I read about someone else who tried and they rejected him. I will have the wife as about that also.

    Fourth , we still don't know what the quarantine requirements will be, Nothing is official , No way I am doing 16 days, what Happened to the 7 days for vaccinated people? it is still posted in the Embassy's FB page as a possible option.

    Conclusion: we will wait until April 1st of until there is officially published , and we know what our options are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    If you’re applying for a family related visa and they are asking for all that noise, then I’ll just go on a visa-exempt 45 day entry then swap in-country to a single entry family non-o.
    I'm going on holiday slick, not moving there (yet).

    I may actually divert to Cambo in the end as it's a lot easier to retire there and you don't have this fucking 90 day reporting nonsense.

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    Bits I've been told:

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    and she rather come to Thailand with her American passport and pay for the covid insurance. We will see.
    Today she will call to find out what the minimum length of insurance she needs to purchase. She will ask for me also.
    Third problem is we need resolve the health insurance requirement issues. By the wey are both covered in Thailand by out BCCS US based insurance , but I don't think the embassy will accept it. I read about someone else who tried and they rejected him. I will have the wife as about that also.

    Fourth , we still don't know what the quarantine requirements will be, Nothing is official , No way I am doing 16 days, what Happened to the 7 days for vaccinated people? it is still posted in the Embassy's FB page as a possible option.

    Conclusion: we will wait until April 1st of until there is officially published , and we know what our options are.
    You can buy insurance anywhere as long is it covers Covid and is up to 100,000. (For me I can get a worldwide policy for a year for a couple of hundred dollars or less).

    The insurance has to be valid for the length of your stay.

    If you're fannying around with retirement visas and shit I have no idea. I would probably try and find a good agent in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    First problem is the visa: until we resolve my wife status, we don't know if we need a visa for her. or can we travel under the visa exempt provision and sort things out when we get there?
    IMO the best, least complicated way would be to get your wife her reparation letter, and you a single entry non-o based on your thai wife. It could create a large headache in the future if the wife goes over on an American passport.

    The insurance is so easy, it’s the least of your worries. Just buy a throwaway policy that satisfies the coe requirement and that’s it.

    You’re probably aware but a non-o based on marriage is a lot “cheaper” than retirement non-o’s. 400k baht for 3 months vs 800k baht (both in thai bank accounts) (yearly extentions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    You’re probably aware but a non-o based on marriage is a lot “cheaper” than retirement non-o’s. 400k baht for 3 months vs 800k baht (both in thai bank accounts) (yearly extentions)
    I guess you have never been married..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    IMO the best, least complicated way would be to get your wife her reparation letter, and you a single entry non-o based on your thai wife. It could create a large headache in the future if the wife goes over on an American passport.

    The insurance is so easy, it’s the least of your worries. Just buy a throwaway policy that satisfies the coe requirement and that’s it.

    You’re probably aware but a non-o based on marriage is a lot “cheaper” than retirement non-o’s. 400k baht for 3 months vs 800k baht (both in thai bank accounts) (yearly extentions)
    I got a very official letter from my BCBS US based insurance that states I am covered internationally but it does not state to what amount. It is a top of the line insurance provided by my Trade Union and it has no cup, I lust pay 5% but not to exceed $1,400. for major hospitalization. I will send the Embay a copy and see if the accept it. If not then as you said I will buy the cheapest insurance I can find for the least length of time they will allow me.
    As far as a visa is concerned . Not sure yet, I can use some advice,
    We plan to come to Thailand by the end of April, stay there for a couple of months, then travel to Greece for vacation for a month or so, and then come back and stay in Thailand for a Year or Two. , most likely Two years.
    What do you all think? Visa exempt, since I will be leaving Thailand in a couple of months, or a Non IM O with re-entry? Even when we come back long term in Thailand I plan to travel out of Thailand at least once a year for a couple of months, so no sure if I will need to do extensions to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    What do you all think? Visa exempt, since I will be leaving Thailand in a couple of months, or a Non IM O with re-entry? Even when we come back long term in Thailand I plan to travel out of Thailand at least once a year for a couple of months, so no sure if I will need to do extensions to stay.
    I don’t think you will be able to stay in Thailand at the moment for a “couple of months” visa exempt. You can get 45 days, then at least one extension, then I’m pretty sure you’ll either need to leave the country, or change your visa in-coutry to a non-o.

    I also don’t think you’ll be able to leave Thailand and easily return without going through the same process you are now and I believe it’s gonna stay that way for the rest of 2021 (my opinion).

    IMO the best option is to get a non-o before leaving, and plan on staying in Thailand until you know you can leave/return easily.

    This is probably better in a new thread, but even if you have a non-o you still have to leave the country every 90 days. Only when you’re on extension can you stay continuously in the country more than 90 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    We just downloaded the Emergency Repatriation application , it is 8 pages long, and in Thai, so I cant help her ,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    We plan to come to Thailand by the end of April, stay there for a couple of months, then travel to Greece for vacation for a month or so, and then come back and stay in Thailand for a Year or Two. , most likely Two years.
    You can eke out a stay for 60 days if you enter on the right visa, but then if you leave the country, I think you're going to have to do this shit all over again.

    On the bright side they approved the J&J vaccine today, so who knows, you might be able to buy a decent vaccine privately in Thailand by the end of June.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    103 languages.
    I’ve just checked the available languages.

    There doesn't appear to any indication of the following:

    Ameristani - East Coast, West Coast, North West Coast, Flyover or Southern Drawl.

    No mention of Oceanic languages either.

    That may lessen its utility to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I’ve just checked the available languages.

    There doesn't appear to any indication of the following:

    Ameristani - East Coast, West Coast, North West Coast, Flyover or Southern Drawl.

    No mention of Oceanic languages either.

    That may lessen its utility to some.

    Does it translate klondick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You can eke out a stay for 60 days if you enter on the right visa, but then if you leave the country, I think you're going to have to do this shit all over again.

    On the bright side they approved the J&J vaccine today, so who knows, you might be able to buy a decent vaccine privately in Thailand by the end of June.
    You are right, difficult to plan with a situation as fluid as this. Every morning , as I am doing now, I check the mews feed and sites such as this for new developments.
    With respect to entering Thailand and then Traveling to Greece in the summer, It was originally planed to be the other way around, First Greece for Easter take care of some business, and vacation. and then come to Thailand. I have even gone as far as to get special permission from the Greek embassy to travel there.
    By than certain areas such as Phuket would have been Quarantine free.
    But Covid cased in Greece are on the increase, and there is no indication of the lockdown will be ending in time for Easter, So we are on to plan B.
    So If we arrive in Thailand May 1st , stay there until August , go to Greece August, Sept. And come back in October , by that time, as they have announced, Thailand will be Quarantine free. But we all know about Thailand and announcements , so my plan is a work in progress LOL
    Also by October the weather should be cooler and the rains over, I hope.

    As for all the good advice you all have given me , THANK YOU. Wife also agrees with you all, and next week I will go down to Miami where the Thai consulate is , and get a Non IM O with multiple entry, and be done with that aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I will go down to Miami where the Thai consulate is , and get a Non IM O with multiple entry
    If you get a multiple entry, you will need to leave Thailand after 90 days. There may or may not be covid exemptions to this rule but typically you’ve got to stamp out and stamp in again. That means going through the same shit you are now.

    IMO it would be better to get a single entry, then on your 75th day apply at your local immigration for the 1 year extension. Once granted you can stay, without leaving, for 15 months until you need to reapply for another 1 year extension. And with the extension you can get a re-entry permit at swampy anytime you want to leave.

    Just some food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Once granted you can stay, without leaving, for 15 months until you need to reapply for another 1 year extension.
    How do you get a 1 year extension of stay to last for 15 month? I've never managed that..

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    Just posted at the Thai Embay in the US, so I guess it's official
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    How do you get a 1 year extension of stay to last for 15 month? I've never managed that..
    You’re right, I crossed the 1 year non-o (15 months) with a 1 year extension (12 months)

    Posting in a hurry while at work.

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    Good visa advice.

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    I've also been trying to figure out which visa and the process. I've never obtained a visa prior to my arrival in Thailand, always left and returned via air. The ex-War Department needs to return becuase her mother is not expected to be around very long.

    I'm retired vaccinated (US) and going to attempt to enter Thailand the first of May and leave August 31 (4 months). I called a Visa Company and they told me the best I could do is 60 day tourist and apply for 45 day extension (She said, it is 45 days now to compensate for quarantine period. The 7 day quarantine period for vaccinated would not be implemented until Sep/Oct.). Any recommendations? Thanks in advance!

    I also saw on Thai Visa the Phuket/Pattaya Bubble Scheme discussed which will make Visa upon entry a duration extension option.

    Great to hear about the ASQ period reduced to 10 days. The only problem for me I have read only married couples can qurantine together? Myself, the Ex and her 8 year old daughter (both Thai Nationals) will be traveling together.

    By the way Herd Inmunity includes the population that has been exposed/recovered from the Virus plus the vacinnated population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalEden View Post
    Great to hear about the ASQ period reduced to 10 days. The only problem for me I have read only married couples can qurantine together? Myself, the Ex and her 8 year old daughter (both Thai Nationals) will be traveling together.
    It seems to be down to the hotel. The recommendation is to contact them directly and ask.

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