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    What a bunch of bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. Tired of bullshit and more bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    What a bunch of bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. Tired of bullshit and more bullshit.
    Amen that AO. The truth of the matter is, this is becoming glaringly obvious that its a way to pull people in to make money and basically hold them captive doing it.

    I get it, the economy is down the toilet but hostage tourism isn't the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Amen that AO. The truth of the matter is, this is becoming glaringly obvious that its a way to pull people in to make money and basically hold them captive doing it.

    I get it, the economy is down the toilet but hostage tourism isn't the answer.
    The disappointing Phuket numbers have shown it's not the answer.

    Hopefully some common sense will prevail.

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    Hmmmmm. Let's see if it happens.

    Thailand is rethinking its reopening model as it will adopt the "One SOP, One System" (OSOS) policy, scrapping both mandatory quarantine and sealed routes for all pilot areas within this year and cutting Covid-19 test costs by half.

    The reopening plan for five more areas -- Pattaya, Chiang Mai, Hua Hin, Cha-am and Bangkok -- will be submitted to the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) next week in order to start receiving inoculated tourists from Oct 1, while Samui Plus will pivot to a quarantine-free destination at the same time, said Yuthasak Supasorn, Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) governor.

    "Under this plan, every province will apply the same SOPs [standard operating procedures] which will enable tourists to travel freely within designated areas in each province," he said.


    "Tourists are simply required to follow the guidelines, such as activating the Mor Chana app and being checked daily by SHA Plus manager [hotel manager in SHA Plus hotel], instead of being kept in quarantine or only travelling under a tour programme," said Mr Yuthasak.


    He said the agency is also in a discussion with health authorities about reducing the price from around 8,000 baht for three RT-PCR tests which is considered an obstacle for the reopening programme in both Phuket Sandbox and Samui Plus over the past few months.


    "We will try to halve the RT-PCR price and allow tourists to use antigen test kits for their second and third tests. The package price should be universally applied to every province from October, including the Phuket Sandbox," he said.


    The OSOS also eliminates different measures which each pilot province was preparing, such as Pattaya and Chiang Mai that previously opted for partial quarantine and sealed routes, respectively.

    However, TAT this week still has to discuss further the tourism sector in Chiang Mai and Bangkok about the plan for these two areas, particularly the capital which will include 21 inner districts, plus Bang Phli in Samut Prakarn where Suvarnabhumi airport is located.

    Thanet Supornsahasrungsi, acting president of the Chon Buri Tourism Council, said Bang Lamung and Sattahip will be the first two districts in the reopening programme.


    The province will propose the plan to let tourists travel within those two areas as soon as they get negative RT-PCR results. They also can choose to stay at any SHA Plus hotel. The two districts already have 21 certified hotels.


    He said over 63% of residents in both districts were vaccinated and they should reach the 70% target by the proposed reopening date.


    Ratchaporn Poolsawadee, president of the Tourism Association of Koh Samui, said there are few adjustments for Samui Plus's quarantine-free plan. Tourists who enter via this programme have to spend their first seven days on Samui island and can travel to Koh Phangan and Koh Tao from day eight.
    Country to rejig reopening model

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    They fucking cant even get the schools back open, let alone the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    What a bunch of bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. Tired of bullshit and more bullshit.
    A continuous stream to placate the masses. More hair brained schemes to come.
    The only fix is to get Thailand vaccinated and even then the tourism related economy will never recover to anything near pre-covid levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    They fucking cant even get the schools back open, let alone the country.

    Phuket has been "open" since July.

    If they provide the same facility for CM, I will go ahead and book.

    They are not doing this in lieu of vaccination.

    They have fully vaccinated 12M+ people and single-jabbed another 16M. That's more than enough to cover the areas listed in this scheme if they dish out some more in the next few weeks.

    I think it's better than waiting until they get to 80%+ fully vaccinated which seems to be what experts think is required to knock Delta on its head.

    Maybe they should put in an offer for those 60m French ones the UK just turned down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I think it's better than waiting until they get to 80%+ fully vaccinated which seems to be what experts think is required to knock Delta on its head.

    I agree that they shouldn't wait — and anyways with the strength of the Indian variant and the waning of the vaccines' strength over time, any kind of herd immunity is unlikely to occur.

    Better to just get as many vaccinated as possible to prevent hospitalization/death.


    Even the Sinovac/AstraZeneca mix will likely do that for a majority of people.


    Though, once things open up cases will likely surge as the best vaccine most Thais have access to (2 doses of Astrazena) is not very effective at preventing infection of the delta variant: 67% effective.


    The UK which administered Pfizer and AstraZeneca knows they need to get Pfizer booster jabs for all adults — before winter.


    The good news is that many Thais/ex-pats have already reserved doses of Moderna which will arrive later this year — and then next year Thailand will receive 30 million Pfizer doses.




    https://www.ft.com/content/4625ac2f-6763-4646-8466-26ecac2ec4bf

    Neil Ferguson, professor of epidemiology at Imperial College London, said that some countries were in a better position than the UK because they vaccinated more recently, so the immunity had had less time to wane, and they used a higher proportion of mRNA vaccines “which provide better protection against infection”.

    “I’m not sure I’d feel that comfortable anywhere but I’d certainly feel more comfortable in countries like Spain, Portugal and Denmark,” Ferguson added. “I don’t want to exaggerate the situation we are in. I don’t think we are in a crisis right now. I just think we do need to get on with boosting immunity in the population at this point.”




    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891

    RESULTS

    Effectiveness after one dose of vaccine (BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was notably lower among persons with the delta variant (30.7%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 25.2 to 35.7) than among those with the alpha variant (48.7%; 95% CI, 45.5 to 51.7); the results were similar for both vaccines. With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant.
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    I'm guessing the opening will go ahead even if cases rise as the strategy going ahead seems to be "living with the reality of covid."

    Though, COE's still required for all, apparently.


    Bangkok's reopening to be postponed

    Bangkok now set to reopen on Oct 15


    Meanwhile, local travellers who fly back home must also comply with the same entry regulations as foreigners, even though they have a Bangkok household, as the Certificate of Entry still requires them to show SHA Plus hotel bookings in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    What a bunch of bullshit. Bullshit and more bullshit. Tired of bullshit and more bullshit.
    It would help if you stopped posting so much bullshit yourself.

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    You do know it's not about number of vaccinated people? Chinese can come to Thailand for quite a long time already. But Thai M1litar:y,, junta governm.ent hates "fara.ng"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    Chinese can come to Thailand for quite a long time already.
    Anyone can come as long as they do 2 weeks quarantine. One more thick poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    You do know it's not about number of vaccinated people? Chinese can come to Thailand for quite a long time already. But Thai M1litar:y,, junta governm.ent hates "fara.ng"
    What is this fucking gibberish supposed to mean?

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    It does actually mean, Chinese people have been allowed to come to Thailand since, what May/June. Because Thai military govt are friends with Chinese govt. And with same vaccination history, "farang" are not allowed to enter the land of the Free (meaning Thailand) for a longer period than tourist visa and most of that in quarantine.

    What I said is not against Chinese people but considering Thai milit---ary jun-,.2ta you should consider that factor too in your future posts if they are related to Kingdom.

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    If you are on non imm retirement visa maybe it is easy for you but for the rest of us Thailand is a closed country. ASQ hotel 2 weeks before real world is not the prob either

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    It does actually mean, Chinese people have been allowed to come to Thailand since, what May/June. Because Thai military govt are friends with Chinese govt. And with same vaccination history, "farang" are not allowed to enter the land of the Free (meaning Thailand) for a longer period than tourist visa and most of that in quarantine.

    What I said is not against Chinese people but considering Thai milit---ary jun-,.2ta you should consider that factor too in your future posts if they are related to Kingdom.
    Thailand has a large list of countries that are allowed to enter Thailand you gibbering fucking moron.

    The visa type has nothing to do with it, you can enter on Visa Exempt (if you qualify) or on any other standard visa; you just attach it to your COE application.

    Which is essentially the same as it was before only with Quarantine.

    They even extend tourist visas by the amount of quarantine if you do ASQ.

    Do you do even the simplest of fucking searches before you post this bollocks?

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    For those in the UK or planning on visiting, Thailand will remain on the red list for at least another three weeks.

    When means a couple of grand of hotel quarantine if you go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Thailand has a large list of countries that are allowed to enter Thailand you gibbering fucking moron.

    The visa type has nothing to do with it, you can enter on Visa Exempt (if you qualify) or on any other standard visa; you just attach it to your COE application.

    Which is essentially the same as it was before only with Quarantine.

    They even extend tourist visas by the amount of quarantine if you do ASQ.

    Do you do even the simplest of fucking searches before you post this bollocks?
    Oh no. You do really believe everything you read in BKK Post? Yes, 15 days extension to no visa/via or tourist visa. I don't focking search because I get info straight from Thai Embassy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    I don't focking search because I get info straight from Thai Embassy
    Why do you post complete bollocks like this then?
    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    If you are on non imm retirement visa maybe it is easy for you but for the rest of us Thailand is a closed country
    At the moment it's possible for citizens of many countries, including UK, US, Canada, Australia etc. to enter 'visa free' for 45 days, then extend for a further 30 days, and then extend once again for a further 60 days.

    Four and a half months - none of it on a non-imm visa of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC101 View Post
    I don't focking search because I get info straight from Thai Embassy
    I suspect the problem is that you're too stupid to comprehend it.

    I spent a month in Northern Thailand in April/May after a 7 day quarantine - Visa Exempt.

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    So no Bangkok Sandbox until November then.

    Welcoming tourists back to Bangkok hinges on three factors, including that 70% of its population are fully vaccinated, which could push the reopening near mid-November, according to the City Hall.

    Bangkok governor Aswin Kwanmuang said on Monday Bangkok was keen to restart its tourism business but for the health safety of its residents, the City Hall has decided any reopening will only go ahead after it has satisfied three criteria.

    One criterion, Pol Gen Aswin said, is that 70% of the city's population must have received two doses of vaccines. Such a target is expected to be met around Oct 22 and some 7-14 days after that is when people's immunity has been built.


    The tentative timeframe could see Bangkok's tourism industry resuming sometime in the first or second week of November.
    Reopening of capital 'must be safe'

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So no Bangkok Sandbox until November then.
    I see they avoided mention of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I see they avoided mention of the year.
    Well spotted.

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    NONTHABURI: The National Communicable Disease Committee will propose shorter quarantine periods for some groups of visitors, from 14 days to 7-10 days, to stimulate the economy.

    After chairing the meeting of the committee at the Public Health Ministry on Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said the committee resolved to propose to the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration that the 14-day quarantine for foreign tourists visiting Thailand should be shortened to stimulate the economy.

    The shorter quarantine would be implemented in some tourist areas and concerned officials were considering their readiness regarding vaccination coverage, local Covid-19 situations and hospital bed occupancy rates.


    Such areas would first welcome Thai tourists next month to evaluate their readiness before receiving foreign tourists in November, Mr Anutin said.


    The Covid-19 situation in the country was improving with declines in new infections and fatalities and better treatment for patients. Most new infections centred in Greater Bangkok and southern border provinces and there were new clusters in prisons where infected people were effectively isolated, he said.


    Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Department of Disease Control, said the quarantine would be reduced to either seven or 10 days on a case-by-case basis.


    The quarantine would be seven days for the visitors who had been fully vaccinated and they would be tested with the RT-PCR method for Covid-19 upon arrival and again on day 7 after arrival, he said.


    The quarantine would last 10 days for the visitors who do not have a vaccination certificate. They will undergo two RT-PCR tests, first upon arrival and second before finishing the quarantine. Visitors in this category must arrive by air only.


    The 14-day quarantine would remain for the visitors who would arrive by land and had not been fully vaccinated. They would be subject to two RT-PCR tests, Dr Opas said.


    The planned measures would apply to visitors from every country. The shorter quarantine of visitors would not worsen the situation as the Phuket Sandbox reopening project proved that visitors did not cause an outbreak but local infections did, he said.


    Shorter quarantine for some visitors

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    Nonthaburi had been communicating disease for years.

    They call it beer.

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