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    Statement by the JCPOA

    Another consequence of the bald orange wanker's buffoonery.

    We, the governments of France, Germany and the United Kingdom, note with grave concern the recent confirmation by the IAEA that Iran is producing uranium metal in violation of the JCPoA. Under the JCPoA, Iran committed not to engage in producing or acquiring uranium metal or to conduct research and development on uranium metallurgy for 15 years.


    Recalling our statement of January 16, we reiterate that Iran has no credible civilian justification for these activities, which are a key step in the development of a nuclear weapon.

    We strongly urge Iran to halt these activities without delay and not to take any new non-compliant steps on its nuclear programme. In escalating its non-compliance, Iran is undermining the opportunity for renewed diplomacy to fully realise the objectives of the JCPOA.
    JCPoA: Joint Statement of the Spokespersons of the Foreign Ministries of Germany, France and the United Kingdom (12 February) - Federal Foreign Office

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    the iranians will continue to produce uranium and further their ability to produce nuclear weapons until the 4x2's decide it's is time for them to stop.

    waffling and the issuing of statements by euro bureaucrats will achieve nothing.

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    Briefing by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova,

    Moscow, February 4, 2021



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    Update on Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action to resolve the situation around the Iranian nuclear programme


    "So far, there have been no substantial changes making it possible to resume the implementation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) to resolve the situation around the Iranian nuclear programme under the initially coordinated framework.

    In this connection, numerous hopes are being placed on the administration of US President Joe Biden. Washington has sent out certain messages highlighting its principled readiness to rejoin the “nuclear deal.” However, we are now merely watching the United States and Iran exchanging mutual claims on who should be the first to meet the other party halfway.


    Tehran has repeatedly voiced its readiness to once again fulfill all JCPOA provisions in full measure, following the complete restoration of the lost balance of interests. So far, the Iranian party continues to expand its nuclear activities, including the expansion of uranium enrichment capacities in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan, as proved by the latest reports by the IAEA Director General.

    However, we should heed the fact that the IAEA closely oversees all the projects, being implemented by Iran at the already-mentioned facilities; nor do these projects transcend Tehran’s obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).


    We believe that the consistent and complete fulfilment of the agreements by all countries that drafted and signed them, including the United States and Iran, are an essential condition for saving the “nuclear deal.” We are ready to closely cooperate with all parties to the JCPOA for the sake of achieving this goal, and we are also ready to cooperate constructively with the new US administration in this field.

    Briefing by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, Moscow, February 4, 2021 - News - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation


    Moscow calls on Iran for ‘restraint’ after uranium metal production


    Thursday, 11 Feb 2021 06:04 PM MYT

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    Russia today urged Iran to show restraint after it started producing uranium metal in a new breach of limits laid out in Tehran’s nuclear deal with world powers.
    “We understand the logic of their actions and the reasons prompting Iran. Despite this it is necessary to show restraint and a responsible approach,” Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told state news agency RIA Novosti.

    The Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said yesterday that it had verified the production of 3.6 grammes of uranium metal at a plant in Iran.

    The landmark deal — reached in 2015 by the United States, China, Russia, Germany, France and Britain — contained a 15-year ban on “producing or acquiring plutonium or uranium metals or their alloys”.

    Iran announced in January that it intended to research uranium metal production, saying the advanced fuel was needed for a research reactor in Tehran. The measure was part of a law passed by parliament in December following the assassination of a top nuclear scientist, which Tehran blames on Israel.

    When Iran announced its plans to produce uranium metal, Germany, France, and Britain stated that they were "deeply concerned."

    "Iran has no credible civilian use for uranium metal," they said in a joint statement. "The production of uranium metal has potentially grave military implications."

    Iran maintains that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes and it has no intention of building a weapon."

    Moscow calls on Iran for ‘restraint’ after uranium metal production | World | Malay Mail
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    waffling and the issuing of statements by euro bureaucrats will achieve nothing.
    It's not their fault (exceptionally), their had tried so hard...

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    Another chance for Biden to reverse the stupid breach by his predecessor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Moscow calls on Iran for ‘restraint’ after uranium metal productionl

    So it seems the Vladster has finally worked out that if the Mad Mullahs get nuclear material, and given his rather nasty treatment of Muslims, he might find himself on the receiving end of a dirty bomb or two - or worse.

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    I am entirely unsure what justification Israel provided for the assassination of that Iranian nuclear scientist? Previous to that the USA's assasination of Iranian general Soleimania at the Baghdad airport was found by a UN committee to have been illegal. In neither case was there found to be any clear and present danger to any of the parties involved.

    I believe Donald Trump's overly aggressive policy with the Iranians has done considerable damage to prospects of peace going forward. That, of course, could be argued as there are sound arguments on both sides imo.

    I will not be an apologist for the Iranian moves regarding the development of a nucleur weapon. That can't be allowed at this time or at any time into the foreseeable future. Israel has justification for being concerned. I look forward to watching developments in the area with the new Biden. This is a tough nut to crack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I am entirely unsure what justification Israel provided for the assassination of that Iranian nuclear scientist?
    At a guess, it would make it very difficult for him to build nuclear weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    At a guess, it would make it very difficult for him to build nuclear weapons?
    Now, I am afraid that - similarly - Israel will kill all those suspected to build nuclear weapons, we have same measures (standards) for all, don't we?

    (However, who will be another nearest one to be killed?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    I am entirely unsure what justification Israel provided for the assassination of that Iranian nuclear scientist? Previous to that the USA's assasination of Iranian general Soleimania at the Baghdad airport was found by a UN committee to have been illegal. In neither case was there found to be any clear and present danger to any of the parties involved.

    I believe Donald Trump's overly aggressive policy with the Iranians has done considerable damage to prospects of peace going forward. That, of course, could be argued as there are sound arguments on both sides imo.

    I will not be an apologist for the Iranian moves regarding the development of a nucleur weapon. That can't be allowed at this time or at any time into the foreseeable future. Israel has justification for being concerned. I look forward to watching developments in the area with the new Biden. This is a tough nut to crack.
    There will always be public narratives which may or may not reflect something that resembles the truth. In regard to Israel and Iran, nukes, the ME in general, and many other issues with broad global effects, opinions are unlikely to change; we're not going to see mass defections from one camp to another, and more often than not discussion devolves into the usual personal attacks followed by pigeon strutting a victory lap. That's not exclusive to TD, either.

    What I do know as we all should, is that major western powers justify illegal acts, including state assassination of perceived threats, and even regime change which is at most generous borderline to international law, while closing ranks to condemn and sanction others that dare to do the same. Blinding hypocrisy that only half of the people can see.

    "You can never be sure of what your eyes see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    What I do know as we all should, is that major western powers justify illegal acts, including state assassination of perceived threats, and even regime change
    Not even if it is for a good and human purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    What I do know as we all should, is that major western powers justify illegal acts, including state assassination of perceived threats, and even regime change which is at most generous borderline to international law, while closing ranks to condemn and sanction others that dare to do the same. Blinding hypocrisy that only half of the people can see.
    I guess. I'm not hopeful. Best I guess to concern oneself with what can be accomplished locally, lending a helping hand to someone in need, etc., these are the things that make for a better world.


    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Blinding hypocrisy that only half of the people can see.
    That's generous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    There will always be public narratives which may or may not reflect something that resembles the truth. In regard to Israel and Iran, nukes, the ME in general, and many other issues with broad global effects, opinions are unlikely to change; we're not going to see mass defections from one camp to another, and more often than not discussion devolves into the usual personal attacks followed by pigeon strutting a victory lap. That's not exclusive to TD, either.

    What I do know as we all should, is that major western powers justify illegal acts, including state assassination of perceived threats, and even regime change which is at most generous borderline to international law, while closing ranks to condemn and sanction others that dare to do the same. Blinding hypocrisy that only half of the people can see.

    "You can never be sure of what your eyes see.
    Things are not always what you think them to be."

    - intro to a bedtime story for 8 year olds, and adults that need to be reminded.
    Yes, sometimes adults need to be reminded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Not even if it is for a good and human purpose?
    Subjective and selective, who's to say we offed Sadam Hussein for a good and human purpose, and Qadaffi, leaving a void to be filled with even worse, failed with Assad but no matter we'll try again, and leave the yatollas and worse because they'd fight back and we wouldn't want that. Hey, how about your own mates at the CCP, would putting their feet to the fire fall within your definition of a good and yuman purpose, or is it better not to risk a chop suey facial? We even had that bastion of correctness NZ cut selective ties with Myanmar for a coup which is no splash news to anyone except the so fcuking easily outraged one wonders how they struggle through a normal day, though can't imagine the reaction if they ever discover wtf's actually going on in the world.

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    France, Germany, the United Kingdom (E3) and the United States on Thursday affirmed their shared objective of Iran's return to full compliance with its commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal, calling on Iran "not to take any additional steps" such as limiting International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verification activities.

    2021-02-19 05:25:58

    "French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian hosted his German and British counterparts, Heiko Maas and Dominic Raab, in Paris, while the U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken joined the talk via video link.


    "The E3 welcomed the United States' stated intention to return to diplomacy with Iran as well as the resumption of a confident and in-depth dialogue between the E3 and the United States," the ministers said in a joint statement after the meeting.


    "The Ministers affirmed strong interest in continuing their consultations and coordination, including with China and Russia, on this key security issue, recognizing the role of the High Representative of the European Union as Coordinator of the Joint Commission," it added.


    The Iran nuclear program, or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), was reached in 2015 between Iran and the P5+1 (the United States, Britain, Russia, France, China, plus Germany) and the European Union. Under the deal, Tehran agreed to roll back parts of its nuclear weapon program in exchange for decreased economic sanctions.


    Following the U.S. exit from the nuclear deal in 2018 and the reimposed sanctions, Iran has stopped implementing parts of its obligations under the JCPOA.


    During his meeting with his European counterparts, Blinken "reiterated that, as President Biden has said, if Iran comes back into strict compliance with its commitments under the JCPOA, the United States will do the same and is prepared to engage in discussions with Iran toward that end," said the statement.


    Earlier in February, Iran announced that it "is not holding any meeting with U.S. representatives until Washington effectively lifts its sanctions." In January, a senior Iranian lawmaker warned that Iran will expel the IAEA inspectors and stop voluntary implementation of the IAEA's Additional Protocol if the U.S. anti-Iran sanctions are not lifted by Feb. 21.


    In this context, the E3 and the U.S. "called on Iran not to take any additional steps, in particular with respect to the suspension of the Additional Protocol and to any limitations on IAEA verification activities in Iran," said the statement.


    They added that they are "united in underlining the dangerous nature of a decision to limit IAEA access, and urge Iran to consider the consequences of such grave action, particularly at this time of renewed diplomatic opportunity."


    In addition, they expressed "shared concerns over Iran's recent actions to produce both uranium enriched up to 20 percent and uranium metal."


    Iran said in early January that it was starting to produce 20 percent enriched uranium, as part of the country's Strategic Action Plan to Counter Sanctions which was approved by the parliament in December 2020.


    Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif argued that the action "conforms fully" with the JCPOA and affirmed that the measures were "fully reversible upon FULL compliance by ALL."



    E3, U.S. call on Iran "not to take any additional steps" - Xinhua |English.news.cn

    U.S. says ready for talks with Iran to revive nuclear deal


    February 19, 20211:55 AM

    “If Iran comes back into strict compliance with its commitments under the JCPOA, the United States will do the same and is prepared to engage in discussions with Iran toward that end,” a joint statement from the four nations said."

    more at:

    U.S. says ready for talks with Iran to revive nuclear deal | Reuters

    Silence from the Tehran Times.



    Will 4 days be long enough for blinking Blinken to tear up the executive order, for the respective UN members to be consulted and vote?

    Will friday prayers and sunday worship be ignored all to meet the 23/02 deadline?
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    It's not as if there wasn't any plans to take over/overthrow Iran on the shelves for ages, dusted off and presented to every POTUS for decades.

    It reminds me of Irak, they had proof of weapons of mass destruction...they even showed a sample on TV...oh wait..

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    ^
    As you sugest ameristan and vassals have previous and current history, for being economic with the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farang Ky Ay View Post
    It's not as if there wasn't any plans to take over/overthrow Iran on the shelves for ages, dusted off and presented to every POTUS for decades.
    It's exactly as if there weren't any plans dusted off and presented to every POTUS for decades.

    This is just another tedious fairy story trotted out by imbeciles.

    The American equivalent is "The democrats are going to take away our guns!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    France, Germany, the United Kingdom (E3) and the United States on Thursday affirmed their shared objective of Iran's return to full compliance with its commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal, calling on Iran "not to take any additional steps" such as limiting International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verification activities.
    As I said, let the negotiations begin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    let the negotiations begin...
    You must have missed the Iranian statement, JCPOA is "unchangeable".

    Rouhani to Merkel: JCPOA ‘unchangeable’

    February 17, 2021 - 21:48

    Rouhani to Merkel: JCPOA ‘unchangeable’ - Tehran Times

    U.S. agrees to meet Iran, world powers on nuclear deal


    February 19, 2021 - 11:15

    "The Biden administration said Thursday it would agree to meet with Iran and other world powers involved in negotiating the 2015 nuclear deal, the first public step toward renewed diplomacy with Tehran, USA TODAY reported.

    Ned Price, a spokesman for the State Department, said the United States "would accept an invitation" from a top European Union diplomat to attend a meeting of the nuclear deal's original signatories "to discuss a diplomatic way forward on Iran’s nuclear program."

    No meeting has been set yet, but EU officials have indicated he would be willing to invite the parties to engage in talks.

    The nuclear deal, known as the JCPOA, was negotiated by the U.S. with Iran, China, France, Germany, Russia, and the United Kingdom.


    "The #JCPOA at a critical moment," Enrique Mora, the EU's deputy secretary-general, tweeted after Price's statement. "I am ready to invite them to an informal meeting to discuss the way forward."

    A State Department official, briefing reporters on the condition of anonymity, said the U.S. would be represented at the meeting by Biden's special envoy for Iran, Rob Malley.

    Trump withdrew the U.S. from the deal in 2018, claiming it didn't go far enough to curb Iran's ballistic missile program.
    President Joe Biden has long promised to try to revive the Iran nuclear agreement.Iran complied with the deal for months, even as the Trump administration's sanctions took a toll on its economy. But Iran started to reduce its commitment in 2019, enriching uranium at higher levels than set out in the 2015 agreement.

    Republicans have pressed the Biden administration to use the U.S. sanctions as leverage to get a broader deal that curbs Iran's actions in the region. And they were quick to criticize Thursday's announcement.

    "It is concerning the Biden administration is already making concessions in an apparent attempt to re-enter the flawed Iran deal," said Rep. Michael McCaul, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.


    "We need to secure a better deal that keeps the American people safe from the full range of Iran’s malign threats," McCaul said in a statement.


    But Democrats said the Trump administration's decision to withdraw from the Iran deal was deeply counterproductive. Trump repeatedly said he wanted to sit down with Iran's leaders to negotiate a broader deal, but they rejected his entreaties.


    “The Trump administration’s maximum pressure approach to isolate and cripple Iran was a miserable failure," said Sen. Christopher Murphy, D-Conn.


    The State Department official rejected any suggestion that agreeing to a meeting with Iran was a concession. He said the talks would be the first step toward prodding Iran to return to compliance.


    "This is ... not in and of itself a breakthrough," the official told reporters on Thursday. "Until we sit down and talk, nothing's going to happen ...

    The situation is just going to go from bad to worse."

    U.S. agrees to meet Iran, world powers on nuclear deal - Tehran Times
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You must have missed the Iranian statement, JCPOA is "unchangeable".
    No, I suspect you're just too fucking dumb to get what is going on, so let me explain it to you.

    The JCPOA want Iran to return to the "unchangeable" JCPOA agreement.

    Iran wants baldy's post-JCPOA sanctions lifted.

    The negotiations will be about how to achieve this to both parties satisfaction.

    Do you understand now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The JCPOA want Iran to return to the "unchangeable" JCPOA agreement.
    Which the Iranian government officials have said they will.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Iran wants baldy's post-JCPOA sanctions lifted.
    The Iranian government officials desire for the full implementation of the agreed, by all JPCOA participants, JCPOA text.

    ameristan, EU and Germany have failed to live up to their agreed actions/deliverables.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The negotiations will be about how to achieve this to both parties satisfaction.
    Currently, there is no agenda for any negotiations of JPCOA. Iran is awaiting delivery of the agreed JCPOA, in full.

    If any a new agreement is to be discussed the topics to be discussed and the participant countries need to be agreed.

    The fact that any new discussions may take another few years, must also be recognised. Some politicians may not be able to wait for the benefits to accrue to themselves.

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    FFS it's like listening to a bored five year old.

    A simple "yes" would suffice.

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    Biden intends to talk with Iran before officially rejoining JCPOA: Bloomberg

    February 20, 2021 - 19:8

    "Iran says the U.S. must first return to the 2015 nuclear deal and lift sanctions if it wants talks with the Islamic Republic, appearing to snub an effort by the Biden administration to begin direct discussions before officially rejoining the nuclear agreement, according to Bloomberg network.

    The Iranian Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called it Iran’s “final policy” on the matter in an Instagram post, reiterating a statement he made last week. Earlier Foreign Ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh said the “key sequence” for engagements between the two nations was commitment, action and then a meeting.

    According to American network, Iran’s reactions indicate “the challenges in ending an impasse that has threatened to enter the Persian Gulf region into a new conflict in the years since former President Donald Trump exited the international agreement and imposed sanctions.” Iran is set to restrict international inspections of its nuclear sites, a significant hardening of its stance in the face of punishing U.S. sanctions that threatens to make compromise by either side more difficult.

    The Biden administration announced it would be willing to meet with Iran to discuss a “diplomatic way forward” in efforts to return to the nuclear deal, a first step toward easing tensions. State Department spokesman Ned Price declared, “The United States would accept an invitation from the European Union High Representative to attend a meeting of the P5+1 and Iran to discuss a diplomatic way forward on Iran’s nuclear program.” The U.S. also lifted travel restrictions on Iranian envoys and reversed a Trump administration claim that it had imposed - or “snapped back” - United Nations sanctions on Iran, according to a letter sent to the UN Security Council and seen by Bloomberg.

    The offer is a politically risky effort by President Joe Biden to move beyond the standoff after a series of U.S. sanctions hurt Iran’s economy and infuriated other world leaders, who argued that the accord and the inspections regime it created had controlled and monitored Tehran’s nuclear program.

    According to Bloomberg, Biden, in remarks to a security conference in Germany on Friday, noted the threat of nuclear proliferation meant it was important to engage with Iran. “We must also address Iran’s destabilizing activities across the Middle East (West Asia) and we’re going to work in close cooperation with our European and other partners as we proceed,” he remarked.

    The U.S. moves were a “positive step” but not enough to persuade Iran to reverse changes to its nuclear program or keep the wider inspections regime, said Diako Hosseini, an analyst at the Tehran-based Center for Strategic Studies, a government-run research institute that advises the president.

    “It’s a weak beginning to a real diplomatic effort,” Hosseini said while adding it could still create the room needed for progress.

    European parties to the nuclear deal hailed the U.S. measures. Germany urged Iran “not to implement and to rethink these announced limits on IAEA inspectors,” Steffen Seibert, spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel, said at a press conference in Berlin.

    However, both Russia and China supported Iran’s stance, stressing that Washington’s official return to the nuclear deal remains key to ending the stalemate. While a turn away from a policy of sanctions is “by itself” a good thing,

    “it is the restoration of the JCPOA regime that is important,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call on Friday, using a formal abbreviation for the accord, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

    Hua Chunying, China’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, told reporters on Thursday that rejoining the deal by the U.S. was the “only correct approach to resolve the impasse” and called for its “unconditional return as soon as possible.”

    The U.S. offer to hold talks was aimed at restoring a diplomatic pathway with Iran, which has been gradually abandoning its commitments under the nuclear deal in response to the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” sanctions campaign. U.S. and European officials are particularly alarmed by Iran’s decision to stop letting the International Atomic Energy Agency conduct snap inspections by suspending the so-called Additional Protocol from Feb. 23.

    The Director-General of the agency, Rafael Mariano Grossi, was due to arrive in Tehran on Saturday for talks with Iranian officials about nuclear inspections."

    Biden intends to talk with Iran before officially rejoining JCPOA: Bloomberg - Tehran Times

    and here:

    Iran Snubs Biden in Seeking End to Sanctions Before Talks - Bloomberg
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    .. And the US wants Iran to go back to previous standards before sanctions are lifted.

    So...., since apparently things have to be repeated numerous times before they get through your thick skull.....

    As I said, let the negotiations begin...

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