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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Personally I do not accept that Tibet is inevitably a part of China
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    Yup 0/3 belong to China

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    Sikkim too. That always feels far away and out of mind. It shouldn't be. It is the same story as the Chinese military move slowly outwards. I wonder when someone will call it a step too far. Not an easy call against the world's largest army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Sikkim too
    Good call, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Not an easy call against the world's largest army.
    That's the crux of it. They also have an advantage when it comes to international law vs informal agreements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Most Tibetans want to remain part of China.
    The chinkies are committing cultural genocide against Tibetans and you claim they "want to remain part of China"?

    You complete dick.

    Authorities in Tibetan areas continue to severely restrict religious freedom, speech, movement, and assembly, and fail to redress popular concerns about mining and land grabs by local officials, which often involve intimidation and unlawful use of force by security forces. In 2019, officials further intensified surveillance of online and phone communication.
    Authorities in Tibetan areas have also stepped up use of a nationwide anti-crime campaign to encourage people to denounce members of their communities on the slightest suspicion of sympathy for the exiled Dalai Lama or opposition to the government. Two cases publicized by the Qinghai authorities in 2019, involving local opposition to land acquisition by the government, demonstrate that Tibetans are being prosecuted under the campaign for defense of their economic and cultural rights.
    From May to July 2019, the authorities expelled thousands of Buddhist monks and nuns from the Yachen Gar monastery in Sichuan, and their dwellings demolished, according to Xi. Those without residence status in Sichuan were deported to their home provinces, where they were reportedly detained for reeducation. Meanwhile, Tibetan Autonomous Region leaders called for an intensification of “Sinicization” policies to “strengthen the management of monasteries,” subjecting monastic populations to “legal” exams to test their competence in political reeducation, and requiring senior religious figures to endorse state policies on the selection of the next Dalai Lama.
    In the Ngawa Tibetan region of Sichuan, two more young men set themselves on fire in protest against the Chinese government, in November and December 2018. Since March 2009, 155 Tibetans have self-immolated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The chinkies are committing cultural genocide against Tibetans and you claim they "want to remain part of China"?

    You complete dick.
    It seems sabnag has become a 'Have Totalitarian Strongman, will like' fanboy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    The Chinese dictator is certainly flexing his muscles.

    Lebensraum is the only word he needs to add to neatly reflect the actions of AH in 1938.
    Hong Kong is Austria and Taiwan may mirror the Czechoslovakian experience.

    Appeasement does not work with dictators, the free world needs to take a stand, the US alone cannot save Taiwan nor stop the brazen incursions being made by the Chinese.
    Which parts of the 'free world' are you referring to? While the US is clearly incapable of confronting Chinese incursion on so many fronts simultaneously, it's a given nobody that knows anything expects the EU to take on some of the workload. So that leaves the rest of the world, which includes many beneficiaries of chink generosity that by sheer coincidence doesn't need to be paid back x-fold until their corrupt leaders leave office.

    Maybe Bojo could deploy a few gunships, like in the good ole days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Nobody said it explicitly. But all the usual commenters show up on each of these China threads wanting to take on China. The Hong Kong thread, Taiwan threads, Tibet and Xinjiang threads. Taken together, you are calling for the dismembering of China. And Iceman compared the Chinese government to Nazis, because the Chinese government doesn't support the dismembering of China.
    Forget Tibet, while the weak offspring of a strong generation took to the streets and wore free Tibet t-shirts to prove their commitment, the more practical Chinese were busy on the ground, changing language and customs and moving the masses to repopulate with forced marriages, so that a mere couple of generations later, Tibet is not the same country and people that such protestors believe they are yearning to free.



    Anyone recognise where the west is on map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Which parts of the 'free world' are you referring to? While the US is clearly incapable of confronting Chinese incursion on so many fronts simultaneously, it's a given nobody that knows anything expects the EU to take on some of the workload. So that leaves the rest of the world, which includes many beneficiaries of chink generosity that by sheer coincidence doesn't need to be paid back x-fold until their corrupt leaders leave office.

    Maybe Bojo could deploy a few gunships, like in the good ole days.
    I was thinking, Japan, S.Korea, Vietnam, India, Australia for starters - then we may include all the others that are seeing their claims being trampled in the Chinese grab in the south China seas - Malaysia Philippines etc. stop being so euro centric - the Europeans would eventually join in

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Eight Chinese bomber planes and four fighter jets entered the southwestern corner of Taiwan’s air defence identification zone on Saturday, and Taiwan’s air force deployed missiles to “monitor” the incursion, the island’s Defence Ministry said.
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    U.S. Indo-Pacific Command said in a statement the strike group entered the South China Sea on Saturday, the same day Taiwan reported a large incursion of Chinese bombers and fighter jets into its air defence identification zone in the vicinity of the Pratas Islands.
    The TD wingers are certainly out in force, not that their outbursts mean nothing but to indicate that the outpourings of impotent jealous wasters.

    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    whine and whinge over a US ship sailing through the SCS?
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    Of course
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    Provocative fuckers.
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    How far can China go until Taiwan takes action?
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    Biden needs to step up and confront China .
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    The Chinese dictator is certainly flexing his muscles.
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    Bring it on, Mr Shithole!


    Taiwan reports large incursion by Chinese air force-1601002493-5f6d5bfd9967b-jpg

    Quite a large chunk of China is allegedly part of the "Taiwan" AIDZ.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Does this mean Taiwanese air space, as recognised by international law- or not?
    No.

    12 mile limit I beleive, for a UN recognised sovereign country.

    So summing up:

    1. Taiwan is not a UN recognised sovereign country
    2. Chinese aircraft flying in international space.
    3. Foreign country's ships enter a countries near area.
    4. Aircraft, easily seen on radar, are scrambled to monitor a military force approaching it's sovereign terriroty.
    5. SOP for most countries, with the ability to defend it's country's sovereignty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman123 View Post
    Japan, S.Korea, Vietnam, India, Australia for starters
    Japan, S.Korea and Australia are oocupied vassals, unable themselves to defend their citizens. India is currently undecided. Vietnam has working relationships with both China and ameristan and is quite happy with both.

    Off topic:

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    Tibet as part of China
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    This you hear from your Tibetan mates
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    WooHooooooooooo, our resident China-Bot is back


    Did you complete your Beijing-Refresher course?


    According to a UN report regarding the adoption of its Tibetan resolution in 1965, "The Chinese occupation of Tibet has been characterised by acts of murder, rape and arbitrary imprisonment; torture and cruel, inhuman and degraded treatment of Tibetans on a large scale."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Off topic:
    In the narrow sense of this thread's title, yes. Although not always a valid objection in a criminal trial, for example, when evidence of similar facts may be admissible.

    I am beginning to feel a bit like we have drifted back into early 1939 and people are saying "This is about Poland, it has nothing to do with Sudetenland."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    I am beginning to feel a bit like we have drifted back into early 1939 and people are saying "This is about Poland, it has nothing to do with Sudetenland."
    Don't worry, our China-Bot OhOh strays off topic with every post he makes . . . unless it suits him not to

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    Taiwan air force flexes muscles after latest Chinese incursion

    TAINAN, Taiwan (Reuters) - Armed and ready to go, Taiwan air force jets screamed into the sky on Tuesday in a drill to simulate a war scenario, showing its fleet’s battle readiness after dozens of Chinese warplanes flew into the island’s air defence zone over the weekend.

    Taiwan, claimed by China as its territory, has been on edge since the large-scale incursion by Chinese fighters and nuclear-capable bombers into the southwestern part of its air defence identification zone on Saturday and Sunday, which coincided with a U.S. carrier group entering the South China Sea.


    The base in the southern city of Tainan, home to F-CK-1 Ching-kuo Indigenous Defence Fighters (IDF), frequently scrambles jets to intercept China’s air force.

    In a hardened shelter, flight crew from the First Tactical Fighter Wing rushed to ready two IDFs as an alarm bell rang out, aiming to get them off the ground within five minutes of an emergency call, armed with U.S.-made Sidewinders and domestically-developed Wan Chien air-to-ground cruise missiles.


    Colonel Lee Ching-shi told Reuters their jets usually go up armed with guns, Sidewinders and Taiwan-made Sky Sword missiles when reacting to Chinese jets and they can respond “at any time”.

    “We are ready,” he said during a government-organised visit to the base. “We will not give up one inch of our territory.”


    Four IDFs carried out tactical formation landing and rolling take off drills, roaring away from the runway.

    China has provided no public explanation for what its aircraft were doing at the weekend. Washington responded by calling on China to cease pressuring Taiwan and reaffirming its commitment to the democratic island.


    Taiwan’s air force is well trained, but has far fewer combat aircraft than China and has strained under the pressure of almost constantly having to scramble in recent months, responding to stepped up Chinese activity near the island.


    “All the wings are under quite a lot of pressure, but as long as the air force is here, we will react according to related battle readiness rules,” said pilot Wang Chih-chan.


    Taiwan air force flexes muscles after latest Chinese incursion | Reuters

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    China Will Never Renounce Using Force Against Taiwan, Warplanes a Warning: CCP Official

    China reserves all options against Taiwan, including the use of force, a Chinese official said Wednesday while issuing a veiled warning at the new administration of Joe Biden.




    China claims Taiwan is a breakaway province determined to declare independence with the help of "external forces," despite Taipei's repeated statements to the contrary.


    The Taiwan Affairs Office, which is established under China's State Council, returned to familiar rhetoric on Wednesday when spokesperson Zhu Fenglian blamed Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) for destabilizing the Taiwan Strait.


    It was Zhu's first press conference since two large groups of People's Liberation Army warplanes buzzed the skies near Taiwan over the weekend, drawing a statement from the State Department expressing "concern" at Beijing's actions and reaffirming the Biden administration's "rock-solid" support for Taipei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Washington responded by calling on China to cease pressuring Taiwan and reaffirming its commitment to the democratic island.
    It is nice to have a real government again. The Chinese should be warned to piss off. Biden is not going to put up with their shit hence the carrier battle fleet that is currently sitting in the South China Sea with no response from the CCP. They simply haven't the capability to do anything in response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Japan, S.Korea and Australia are oocupied vassals, unable themselves to defend their citizens.
    dafuc?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    Do you think its just a coincidence that China began infringing on Taiwanese airspace on the very week that Trump stepped down ?
    Umm . . . they've been doing that regularly.

    Do you think it's a coincidence that you only now whine about it?



    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    China knows very well that Harris may soon have to deal with this (within the next four ye
    Gasp. The secret is out!!! So?



    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    Hasnt the U.S navy been in the South China sea ever since Trump sent them there to scare off Kim ?
    Do you know where the Pacific fleet is located? Do you know where it routinely patrols?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
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    it’s flake

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    dafuc?????
    You may wish to examine the three vassals "defence agrrements" imposed on them by ameristan. One since 1945,

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    Taiwanese airspace
    The province of China, Taiwan, doesn't have any "air space" of it's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Taiwan, doesn't have any "air space" of it's own.
    Ah, but it does . . . otherwise the totalitarian government in Beijing would simply have been flying over it for decades . . .




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    . . . what's up your arse? No, thanks



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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    Please could you read the O.P ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleo Robbie View Post
    Do you think its just a coincidence that China began infringing on Taiwanese airspace on the very week that Trump stepped down ?
    I was responding to your post . . . do keep up.

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    It's interesting that the Chinese have chosen this approach at this time. As far as what the Americans are doing these things would have been in the works for some time. There is no short game here.

    And importantly none of this has anything to do with Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

    Foreign policy development is like a very large slow tanker, it takes time to change direction. Nothing that we've been seeing in the past week has much do with anything. It's always interesting to speculate of course. All this will pass. I do in the long term think Blinken is going to be an improvement over Pompeo but not much. It is not the job of either man to create policy, only to execute it. Manner is important. It's got to be difficult times down at the Hoover Building these days.

    I do hope the new administration maintains maximum pressure on the slopes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    And importantly none of this has anything to do with Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
    How do you work that out? As POTUS he is in charge of directing foreign policy.

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    ^ Of course.

    My guess is that the Joint Chiefs are, for all practical purposes, keeping things on course. If anybody has any special insight in this regard please offer up.

    What would it say if the Merkins were to suddenly change course based on Biden's presidency. That's not going to happen. It's poor diplomacy not to mention strategically foolish. When it comes to foreign policy both Blinken and Biden are the best. They'll bide their time.

    Why throw the baby out with the bathwater? Trump admittedly a giant failure when it comes to the presidency did manage to do some good things, turning up the heat on the slopes was one, his move to economic nationalism was another. I personally liked his immigration policy although will admit that it caused great suffering.

    That's my two Canadian cents.

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