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    Passenger plane missing after take-off in Indonesia

    Passenger plane missing after take-off in Indonesia

    Passenger plane with more than 50 people on board goes missing after take-off in Indonesia

    The Sriwijaya Air Boeing 737 lost contact en route to Pontianak in West Kalimantan province, officials said.

    Flight tracking website Flightradar24.com said the aircraft had lost more than 3,000m (10,000ft) in altitude in less than a minute.

    The transport ministry said search and rescue efforts were under way.

    Sriwijaya Air, a local carrier, said it was still gathering information about the flight.

    The plane is not a 737 Max, the Boeing model involved in two major crashes in recent years.

    The first of those, in October 2018, involved an Indonesian Lion Air flight which plunged into the sea killing 189 people.

    Indonesia passenger plane missing after take-off - BBC News




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    Boeing 737 passenger plane vanishes over sea after ‘falling 10,000ft’ after takeoff from Indonesia

    A PASSENGER plane has vanished after "falling 10,000ft" moments after taking off, it has been reported.

    The Boeing 737 reportedly crashed four minutes after takeoff from Jakarta in Indonesia today.



    Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182 fell 10,000ft in less than a minute and plunged into the Java Sea, reports say.

    Flightradar24 tweeted: "We are following reports of a missing Boeing 737-500 in Indonesia.

    "We hope to have more information soon."

    One social media user responded to the site's data, saying: "That's freefall."

    A picture has emerged showing what appears to be debris floating in the ocean north of Jakarta.

    The plane was an en route to Pontianak, also in Indonesia, when the reported crash happened.

    The incident has chilling echoes of flight MH370 which vanished in 2014 minutes after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.

    Around 39 minutes into its journey, the jet lost contact with Malaysia Airlines and crashed at an unknown location killing all 239 people on board.


    Boeing 737 passenger plane vanishes over sea after '''falling 10,000ft''' after takeoff from Indonesia
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    Apparently it nosedived into the sea from ~11,000ft. Ex Continental Air 737-524 nearly 27 years old.

    Catastrophic failure? Or a heavily ND stab trim to scare everyone away from 737's.....

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    Sad. And no radio call.

    JAKARTA: Rescuers looking for an Indonesian plane that lost contact after taking off from Jakarta on Saturday have found suspected debris in waters north of the city, an official of the Basarnas search and rescue agency said.

    Agus Haryono told Reuters it had not been confirmed that the debris came from Sriwijaya Air Flight SJ182, which lost contact after taking off with more than 50 people aboard.

    The plane is feared to have crashed into the sea after losing contact with air traffic control in. Flight-tracking data showed the Boeing 737-500 plunged into a steep dive just four minutes after take-off around 2.40pm local time.


    The airline confirmed that 62 people, including crew, were on board the plane when it left Soekarno-Hatta
    international airport Saturday afternoon for Pontianak on the island of Borneo.

    It was unclear how many passengers and crew were aboard the jet, which has a capacity of about 130, when it left Soekarno-Hatta international airport Saturday afternoon for Pontianak on the island of Borneo.

    The usual flight time is about 90 minutes over the Java Sea between Java and Kalimantan, Indonesia’s section of Borneo.


    Data from FlightRadar24 said the plane reached an altitude of nearly 11,000 feet (3,350 metres) before dropping to 250 feet. It then lost contact with air traffic control.


    “Sriwijaya Air flight #SJ182 lost more than 10,000 feet of altitude in less than one minute, about 4 minutes after departure from Jakarta,” the tracking agency said on its official Twitter account.


    The broadcaster Kompas TV quoted local fishermen as saying they had found debris near islands off the coast of Jakarta, but it could not be immediately confirmed as having belonged to the missing jet.


    The transport ministry said it was investigating the incident.


    The budget airline, which has about 19 Boeing jets that fly to destinations in Indonesia and Southeast Asia, said it was investigating the loss of contact.


    In October 2018, 189 people were killed when a Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX jet slammed into the Java Sea about 12 minutes after take-off from Jakarta on a routine one-hour flight.


    That crash — and a subsequent fatal flight in Ethiopia — resulted in Boeing hit with $2.5 billion in fines over claims it defrauded regulators overseeing the 737 Max model, which was grounded worldwide following the two deadly crashes.
    Indonesian jet feared to have crashed after take-off

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    Debris found in 15m water, so they should have no trouble finding the flight recorders.

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    How sad for all those on it and their families. My sincerest condolences to the families of all those on the plane.

    Boings reputation is getting trashed, I am glad I don't own any Boeing stock, and next time I fly, if possible, I am staying away from Boeing aircraft.
    I know it might be unreasonable given statistics, but if I have other options why tempt fate?
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote:
    In late September (2019), quality, safety and security director Toto Soebandoro, in a leaked internal letter, recommended that Sriwijaya stop its operations until it can improve its safety standards. This was similar to what the Transportation Ministry would later decide based on factors such as a lack of engineers as well as tools, equipment and spare parts for proper maintenance of its fleet and an absence of maintenance by any MRO provider.

    Last week, the aviation authority gave the airline five days to sort out its safety and security issues and threatened to totally halt its operation on Wednesday if the problem is not solved.
    Sriwijaya Air eyes resumption of full operations after securing maintenance services from Garuda
    this accident is no surprise.

    out of practice pilots that have done hardly any flying for months, planes that have been sitting around with little or no maintenance for months, all part of a budget indonesian airline with a terrible safety record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    How sad for all those on it and their families. My sincerest condolences to the families of all those on the plane.

    Boings reputation is getting trashed, I am glad I don't own any Boeing stock, and next time I fly, if possible, I am staying away from Boeing aircraft.
    I know it might be unreasonable given statistics, but if I have other options why tempt fate?
    You might also want to consider the questionable maintenance and operations of Asian budget airlines. This particular one has been warned before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You might also want to consider the questionable maintenance and operations of Asian budget airlines. This particular one has been warned before.
    You are absolutely right, I remember watching a very disturbing documentary, where aviation professionals were quoted saying that they would never fly or allow their families to fly Air Asia.
    But that does not change the fact that these airlines fly airplanes from both Boeing and AB and for the most part the problems are with the Boeing. so the catalyst is not the maintenance, unless we thing that for some reason AB planes get better maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Sad. And no radio call.
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    lost more than 10,000 feet of altitude in less than one minute, about 4 minutes after departure from Jakarta,”
    The pilots appeared to have had their hands full.

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    The data shows that the plane was diving at more than free fall speed.

    This can mean 2 things. Either it was pilot suicide. Or they stalled the wing and had to dive hard in order to recover from the wing stall. And they ran out of room

    This is why i am still a little afraid of flying. Statistics are not a safety feature. There is no way out when something goes wrong.

    RIP to these poor souls who werent saved by the statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I am glad I don't own any Boeing stock, and next time I fly, if possible, I am staying away from Boeing aircraft.
    I know it might be unreasonable given statistics, but if I have other options why tempt fate?
    Good luck with that. Boeing built almost half the world's fleet - more than 10,000 jetliners currently in service. It's hardly surprising that one of them crashes occasionally. Quite a lot of them land safely, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    This can mean 2 things. Either it was pilot suicide. Or they stalled the wing and had to dive hard in order to recover from the wing stall.
    Stall recovery gone CFIT seems likely. There is at least one other possibility, though - the autopilot might have gone a bit HAL 9000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    Good luck with that. Boeing built almost half the world's fleet - more than 10,000 jetliners currently in service. It's hardly surprising that one of them crashes occasionally. Quite a lot of them land safely, too.
    As I said "I know it might be unreasonable given statistics, but if I have other options why tempt fate? " which means that most of them do land safe , and the chances of me being on the few that don't are very small , but as I also said " but if I have other options why tempt fate?"

    Boeing and Airbus are the two major manufacturers in the world so consequently about half the planes would be Boeing and half would be Airbus , but lately it seems that the Boeing are the ones that are having problems. I might be wrong but I did not hear of AB planes being grounded .

    So my sentiment stands, if I am shopping for tickets and I have two similar options but one on a Boeing product and one on an AB product, I think I opt for the choice with the AP product .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The pilots appeared to have had their hands full.
    No shit Sherlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    this accident is no surprise.

    out of practice pilots that have done hardly any flying for months, planes that have been sitting around with little or no maintenance for months, all part of a budget indonesian airline with a terrible safety record.

    My view too. I have been expecting something like this to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    My view too. I have been expecting something like this to happen.

    Congratulations, well done. Do you feel a sense of pride?

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    Indonesia Boeing 737 passenger plane crash site found, navy says



    Indonesian authorities say they have found the location where they believe a Boeing 737 passenger plane crashed into the sea shortly after take-off from the country's capital Jakarta on Saturday.

    The Sriwijaya Air jet was carrying 62 people when it disappeared from radar four minutes into its journey to Pontianak in West Kalimantan province.

    On Sunday, signals thought to be from the jet's flight recorder were traced.

    More than 10 ships have now been deployed to the site with navy divers.

    "We have detected signals in two points, this could be the black box," the chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency, Bagus Puruhito, said.



    Investigators are also analysing items they believe to be wreckage from the aircraft, including a wheel and what they say could be part of the plane's fuselage.

    A spokesman for the Jakarta police, Yusri Yunus, said two bags had been received from the search and rescue agency.

    "The first bag contained passengers' properties, another bag contained body parts," he told reporters, adding: "We are still identifying these findings."



    Search and rescue efforts were suspended overnight but resumed early on Sunday. Four planes have also been deployed to help with the search.



    The missing aircraft is not a 737 Max, the Boeing model that was grounded from March 2019 until last December following two deadly crashes.



    Indonesia Boeing 737 passenger plane crash site found, navy says - BBC News

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    The initial accident report has been published:


    A quick synopsis for those that want a summary in layman's terms:

    They took off and started to climb engaging the automatics (autopilot and autothrottle)...initial climb target altitude 29000ft.

    As they passed through ~8000ft the left engine started to spool down and the throttle lever started to move backwards. The right throttle lever stayed in correct position. This will cause the control wheel to move to the right as the autopilot compensates to keep the aircraft on heading.

    Crew requested turn to the right to avoid stormy weather. ATC acknowledged but told them to level off at 11000 ft. They started to turn to the right, so control wheel will move even further to the right and eventually, the asymmetric thrust causes the autopilot to disengage. When this happens the control wheel will snap from being held right to straight and level causing a rapid roll to the left. By the time the crew worked out what was happening it was too late.

    I won't comment further, unless asked, but this is an example of why I don't fly these airlines...



    http://knkt.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/pre/2021/PK-CLC%20Preliminary%20Report.pdf




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    Quicker synopsis: Shitty, badly maintained aircraft and poorly trained, inexperienced pilots not knowing how to deal with it = Boom.

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    They recovered the voice recorder today. If they manage to recover the data we should hear what was going on in the cockpit.

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    At least the families may get to know what happened to their loved ones.

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