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    Phuket under face mask order, B20k fine

    PHUKET: Phuket Governor Narong Woonciew has issued a provincial order making it illegal to not wear a face mask in a public area. The penalty for breach of the order is a fine of up to B20,000 or may even include a jail term, the order warned.

    The Phuket office of the Public Relations Department (PR Phuket) published the order just before 6:30pm today (Jan 7).

    The order was also marked as effective from today (Jan 7).

    The order, designated Phuket Provincial Order 62/2021, was approved by the Phuket Communicable Disease Committee yesterday, noted the announcement by PR Phuket.


    “Any person who leaves their home, residence in a house, house, building, place or vehicle, or is in a public place must always wear a face mask or cloth mask,” the order explained.


    Proceeding without a face mask “could create unsanitary conditions that could cause dangerous communicable diseases or epidemics to spread”, it added.


    People are exempt from wearing a face mask while eating, drinking or exercising, the order noted.


    Any person who violates or fails to comply with the order may be charged under Section 51 of the Communicable Diseases Act 2015, which incurs a fine of up to B20,000, the order warned.


    Any breach of the order may also constitute an offense under Section 52 of the Communicable Diseases Act, which may be punished by a fine of up to B100,000 or up to one year in prison, or both.


    Offences against the order may also be punished under Section 18 of the Emergency Decree, the order warned.


    The order is to remain in effect until further notice.


    Phuket under face mask order, B20k fine

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    Cue lots of whinging from deranged, farang covid deniers on Facetubegram.

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    The penalty for breach of the order is a fine of up to B20,000 or may even include a jail term, the order warned.
    Well does it or doesn't it, or will that be decided at the station?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Cue lots of whinging from deranged, farang covid deniers on Facetubegram.
    Heaven forbid! But whilst no-one can swim in their condo swimming pool, or sit on garden furniture ( sitting on the grass is fine or on the beach but not on seats) in the condo gardens here in Chonburi lalaland, the same people can visit a public restaurant among strangers or mingle with their colleagues in the workplace whether they be offices or the factory floor.

    A more illogical, incoherent, disorganised people one has yet to encounter.

    Our local condo management have manfully tried to explain to the various strata of what passes for local government that our condo is pretty much devoid of tourists and transient owners leaving it populated by a handful of retired owners and expat workers who are away all week none of whom actually use the pool very much. The local city hall response ? " Condo has many peoples and you don't know where they been". And perhaps more depressing, " people spit virus into water and give to others".

    In the end, a tree has more cognitive ability than the average local government clerk or manager and one just has to accept that they are beyond reason.

    Stupidest people on the planet ( bar redneck septics and Brexit morons, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Well does it or doesn't it, or will that be decided at the station?
    It means a peasant Somchai will get a 200 baht fine but farang will pay 20,000 baht and more to avoid a custodial sentence and deportation.

    What else did you think it meant? Public policy well reasoned and argued by a legislative body and cast into statute with clearly defined terms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    or sit on garden furniture ( sitting on the grass is fine or on the beach but not on seats) in the condo gardens
    To be fair, that does make sense.

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    Of course it does.

    It's puzzling that the local condo management apparently communicates with local government officials in pidgin English, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Of course it does.

    It's puzzling that the local condo management apparently communicates with local government officials in pidgin English, though.
    That's how it was reported back to we farang owners.

    Obviously....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    To be fair, that does make sense.
    What does? Prohibited a seat in a fucking garden but permitted one in a fucking restaurant? Are you a fucking retard or American?

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    the paper i have quoted below concludes that the risk of transmission in a swimming pool is extremely low provided adequate measures are taken regarding pool maintenance and chlorination and ensuring that users follow strict guidelines. you could of course show this report to your condo management, but i doubt it would make one iota of difference to their policy.




    The World Health Organisation recommended chlorination level of 15mg.min/litre is sufficient to kill non-enveloped viruses such as poliovirus, rotavirus and coxsackievirus, and an enveloped virus such as Covid-19 would be inactivated at even lower levels, the document says.




    SARS-CoV-2 is mostly transmitted by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces but can also be retrieved in high
    loads in faeces [1].

    It is mainly responsible for both respiratory and gastrointestinal symptoms but there is no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 faecaleoral transmission to date [2].

    A recent research letter suggested a possible cross-transmission of SARS-CoV-2 between nine patients via bathing in a public bath
    centre [3], underlining the need to implement specific measures to prevent this risk.

    In the context of progressive hospital activities recovery, we assessed the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission in rehabilitation pools and therapeutic water environments in order to protect patients and healthcare workers from COVID-19.

    To do so, we reviewed the current literature on SARS-CoV-2 sustainability in water environments. We also made an overview on risk and likely causes of viral crosstransmission in swimming pools. The different methods for swimming pool water disinfection in order to maintain its microbiological quality were described.

    According to this risk assessment strategy, we proposed pragmatic recommendations to control the risk of SARS-CoV-2 cross-transmission while preserving essential rehabilitation care for patients.

    SARS-CoV-2 sustainability in water environments.

    SARS-CoV-2 environmental sustainability is conditioned by the initial viral load, the type of support, the residual humidity, the temperature and the presence of biological fluids. SARSCoV-2 survival conditions in biological fluids are not transposable to recreational water and there are no current data on SARS-CoV-2 stability in water environments such as swimming pools.

    However, coronaviruses seem instable in water environments and are very sensitive to chlorine [4].
    Enveloped viruses including influenza viruses and coronaviruses, are too sensitive to environment and too rapidly inactivated in water to be transmitted within swimming pools; this is converse to naked viruses such as adenoviruses, noroviruses, enteroviruses or hepatitis A virus, which are usually more resistant and able to survive several days in water, even when treated with biocides such as chlorine, ozone or bromide [4,5]. Accordingly, water from swimming pools does not appear favourable for the survival of SARS-CoV-2.


    Swimming pools and risk assessment of viral cross-transmission.

    Most outbreaks related to contaminated recreational waters are caused by oral-faecal transmission of enteric viruses [6,7].
    Investigating waterborne viral outbreaks is hampered by the requirement to sample very large volumes of water (1000e2000
    L), which helps explain why the causative virus is identified in water in less than 28% of cases.

    Viruses can contaminate swimming pools for various reasons including inadequate compliance with disinfection procedures
    due to technical failures or human factors (lack of, or incompetent, maintenance); lack of a warning system; or faecal soiling by infected users. Although few specific data are available, the same risks apply to rehabilitation pools and therapeutic water environments.
    Viruses are not able to replicate on inanimate supports out of host tissues and cells.

    Consequently, the presence of viruses in the water of swimming pools is directly linked with contamination by bathers that excrete biological fluids such as saliva, mucus, vomit or faeces (http://www.who.int/iris/ handle/10665/43336).

    Ingestion by the oral route remains the most frequent route of viral transmission in water, but the ocular mucosa may also be an important portal of entry for SARS-CoV-2 [8,9], possibly contributed to by irritation caused by chemical products used for disinfecting water. Skin lesions (injury, barrier disruption) may also allow viral entry, possibly contributed to by the skin softening that occurs with prolonged immersion in water; however, this mode of transmission has not
    been demonstrated for SARS-CoV-2.


    Standards of cleaning and disinfection procedure in swimming pools.

    Strict standards apply for treating water and maintaining its quality in swimming pools. In both public and hospital swimming pools, the water must be filtered and disinfected, and must meet physical, chemical and microbiological qualities defined by the French Public Health Code [10]. The Code also defines the required frequencies of monitoring of physicochemical and microbiological indicators, and the processes for pool closure and maintenance operations in case of nonconformity.

    Disinfectant added to water must kill or inactivate microorganisms while preserving skin, eyes and mucosa integrity. Chlorine is usually used because of its cost-effectiveness, easy use and safety (Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC php/water.html). Measures of cleaning and disinfecting must be accompanied by strict hygiene and behavioural rules for bathers, along with the respect of capacity limit of bathers,
    which can not be higher than three per 2 m3 of water in open air recreational waters, and 3 per m3 in covered swimming pools [10].


    Specific preventive measures regarding SARSCoV-2 transmission.


    The first line of prevention of SARS-CoV-2 transmission is based on barrier measures including hand hygiene, physical distancing, and respiratory hygiene (wearing of a mask, covering the mouth and nose appropriately when coughing or sneezing).

    However, these precautions are difficult or impossible to apply in patients when bathing. We propose here a range of specific measures for pools used for rehabilitation care to protect bathers and healthcare workers from SARS-CoV-2 (Table I). Ensuring safety begins with reviewing clinical records to ensure that patients have no symptoms of COVID-19, followed by use of barrier precautions and social distancing, especially in dressing rooms. Indeed, the main risk of SARSCoV-2 cross-transmission is through respiratory droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces, and strict application of barrier measures is the best way to prevent transmission. Hand hygiene measures include appropriate provision of hydro-alcoholic solution for use on dry hands, but also soap and water for washing wet hands.

    All these recommendations are based on the guidelines issued by the French Society for Hospital Hygiene (https:// Page non trouvee |) and are applicable to therapeutic pools and other therapeutic water environments.

    Meeting usual pool disinfection standards, together with appropriate individual behaviours in the pool should be
    sufficient to prevent a risk of waterborne transmission of SARSCoV-2 (404-Error). These precautions must be accompanied by strict respect of barrier measures by both patients and healthcare workers outside of the pool. All these measures may also be applicable to public and private swimming pools in order to control the transmission
    of SARS-CoV-2 in the community.


    Table I
    Prevention measures of SARS-CoV-2 transmission in rehabilitation pools and therapeutic water environments.

    Specific recommendations.

    For technical staff Ensure the proper application of standard guidance from the French Public Health Code in order
    to prevent microbiological risks in pools.

    Appropriate procedure of water disinfection using chlorine or other disinfecting product
    Monitoring physicochemical indicators
    Monthly microbiological control of water
    Pool closing and maintenance operation in case of non-conformity
    Frequent surfaces disinfection with appropriate product.

    For patients Ensure the respect of hygiene and behavioural rules before entrance into pools.

    Use individual dressing rooms
    Clothes storage on hangers in individual dedicated compartments
    Shower using soap and water (before and after bathing)
    Booth bath
    Wearing of swim cap
    Wearing of swimming goggles.

    Avoid access to bathers suspected of/affected with COVID-19 .

    Avoid or restrict access to bathers presenting respiratory and/or digestive symptoms.

    Ensure that bathers respect strict barrier measures in order to prevent cross-transmission outside of pools.

    Strict hand hygiene at the entrance to the building and in case of bathroom use
    Surgical mask wearing until reaching the dressing room and once dressed after bathing
    Physical distancing of at least 1 m
    Sneeze and cough into hands then directly wash their hands with soap and water c
    Avoid touching face, nose, mouth and eyes.

    For healthcare workers Ensure the strict respect of barrier measures in order to prevent cross-transmission outside of pools.

    Surgical mask wearing
    Physical distancing of at least 1 m
    Regular hand hygiene
    Avoid touching face and eyes
    Wearing of goggles or face shield in case of close contact with patient.



    https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...20)30288-7/pdf

    Preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission in rehabilitation
    pools and therapeutic water environments

    S. Romano-Bertrand a,b, *, L-S. Aho Glele c
    B. Grandbastien d
    D. Lepelletier e,f

    on behalf of the French Society for Hospital Hygiene.

    a HydroSciences Montpellier, IRD, CNRS, Montpellier University, Montpellier, France
    b Hospital Hygiene and Infection Control Team, University Hospital of Montpellier, Montpellier, France
    c Department of Epidemiology and Infection Control, Dijon University Hospital, Dijon, France
    d Department of Preventive Medicine, Infection Prevention and Control Team, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire Vaudois,
    University of Lausanne, Lausanne, Switzerland
    e MiHAR Lab, EE 1701 S, Nantes University, Nantes, France
    f Department of Bacteriology and Infection Control, Nantes University Hospital, Nantes, France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    What does?
    That people can sit on the grass, but not sit on garden furniture one after another.

    Prohibited a seat in a fucking garden but permitted one in a fucking restaurant?
    I presume that the restaurant furniture is cleaned after/before each customer. Without staff employed in the condo garden to clean the garden furniture after each person sits on it, it makes sense to make them off bounds.

    Makes perfect sense. :-)


    Are you a fucking retard or American?
    Well I'm not American. :/

    :'(

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    Tax, it isn't the condo management's policy it is the diktat imposed by local government who are impervious to reason, an obduracy manifested by several here not least the fucking moron above.

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