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    Foreigners who have been vaccinated still need to quarantine

    The Public Health Ministry issued a statement on Tuesday saying all arrivals to Thailand will have to undergo the mandatory 14-day quarantine even if they have been vaccinated.

    Dr Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of the Disease Control Department, said the Covid-19 vaccines are still new and their effectiveness have still not been determined. He added that it still too early to say whether an inoculated person can be considered safe enough to travel.

    Hence, he said, before there are clear answers on the vaccine, it will still be necessary for people arriving from overseas to observe quarantine measures.


    Foreigners who have been vaccinated still need to quarantine

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    What does the above say in the confidence the government has in the vaccine?
    I was under the impression that the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing the virus , are they now saying that it is not, that you can still get the virus and transmit it, and that the vaccine simply makes you asymptomatic?
    Or are they saying that virus can get on you from others but it cannot gain access to your cells and reproduce. if so your viral load would be very low and of short duration.
    Or are they worrying about the inoculated 5% that would be infected?
    And would inoculated people de required to buy useless covid insurance.
    I an one inch away from totally giving up on Thailand, selling the house and just coming there just for short vacations.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Well if you’re on the verge of repatriating because of Thailand’s approach to COVID then you can’t possibly be from the UK or US.

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    Was hoping Thailand would remain unscathed. It’s shit all over, ain’t it.

    Like we are stuck in some time warp or purgatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well if you’re on the verge of repatriating because of Thailand’s approach to COVID then you can’t possibly be from the UK or US.
    Or with an attitude like that is most likely from the UK or USA.

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    Or maybe some pompous ass a/c repair man in Australia.

    But US citizens criticising any other country's approach...that really is rich.

    At the critical juncture your leader was talking about UV light up the jacksy and drinking bleach...or has that been forgotten already?

    Stay home...you'll be fine there, huh?

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    Someone will write a book about all this hoopla some day.  Title:  How to fuck up the world without really trying...or was it deliberate???

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    ^Seems we don't learn from history. One could read about the Spanish flu/ 1918 pandemic and know that it lasted for almost 3 years.

    Some cabinet officials & soldiers (belonging to the Presidential Security Group) have been vaccinated here in PI. They had the Chinese vax. Pres Du30 hasn't had the jab, but they wanted those who were in regular contact with him to have it.

    Link:
    Some Cabinet, PSG members have received COVID-19 vaccine, Ano confirms | Inquirer News

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    As I mentioned in another thread, people need to read the early findings for the release of the vaccine. It's not "Get a shot, all cured, life back to normal". The inoculation appears to have an effective period then what? Another round? Then how do you know if people are staying current? What about the mutation strains?

    I completely understand Thailands approach. There are way to many unknowns.

    I am a US citizen and I can guarantee you that the population behaved like they did and disregarded all safety suggestions waiting for the magic shot. It's the same for getting fat, take a pill. High blood pressure, take a pill. Eat like shit plug your arteries, no worries, get a stint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    As I mentioned in another thread, people need to read the early findings for the release of the vaccine. It's not "Get a shot, all cured, life back to normal". The inoculation appears to have an effective period then what? Another round? Then how do you know if people are staying current? What about the mutation strains?

    I completely understand Thailands approach. There are way to many unknowns.

    I am a US citizen and I can guarantee you that the population behaved like they did and disregarded all safety suggestions waiting for the magic shot. It's the same for getting fat, take a pill. High blood pressure, take a pill. Eat like shit plug your arteries, no worries, get a stint.
    ^ This....


    Guarantee there will be numerous countries that will still hold caution [early/post-vaccine era] and keep steadfast policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Or maybe some pompous ass a/c repair man in Australia.

    But US citizens criticising any other country's approach...that really is rich.

    At the critical juncture your leader was talking about UV light up the jacksy and drinking bleach...or has that been forgotten already?

    Stay home...you'll be fine there, huh?
    Instead of criticizing me , why don't you try to criticize what i said about the Covid issue. As far as me selling the house , most likely i wont do it, but if I did it would not be just just because of covid, as you falsely assumed, but for many accumulating reasons. Lately it seems that every idiot nephew of Ho So with a job in the government, comes up with another hoop we need to jump through,
    14 day quarantine? 96% of all infections manifest themselves in the first 9 days, the remaining 5 days are to prevent the last 4%an insignificant number considering the number of infections among those quarantined. And why would someone who is inoculated need covid insurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Was hoping Thailand would remain unscathed. It’s shit all over, ain’t it.

    Like we are stuck in some time warp or purgatory.
    Relatively very unscathed. 0.86 deaths per million vs 921 in USA is pretty damn good Kitt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Lately it seems that every idiot nephew of Ho So with a job in the government, comes up with another hoop we need to jump through,
    Stupid hoops but as you say other factors beyond Covid. Pre and sure post Covid always some new bureaucratic hoop to jump through re us folks living the dream.

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    The point remains, despite the continuing ostrich-like behaviour of the stupid and ignorant, this new COVID mutation/variant is certainly more virulent and infectious than the last given the empirical evidence mounting in the UK as their hospitals exceed full capacity in admissions with patients across the full spectrum of society displaying the common symptom of increasing hypoxia. Whereas the UK has a developed health service with resources to match its needs, with the availability of thousands of ventilators and respirators and the staff trained to administer such ICU therapy, Thailand simply cannot match them and if the pandemic takes root hundreds will die.

    The authorities know this, hence their strategy but I fear they are dithering too long and should enforce an immediate national lockdown and cessation of all travel and social engagement.

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    Agree completely.

    And tell the drama queens not to let the door hit them on the way out.

    People losing loved ones and living with terrible hardship and separation, and they're whining about 'hoops'.

    Get a grip ffs.

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    I can see why Thailand is doing this, we just don't know how long immunity lasts after this jab yet. In my mind it is more important to keep the healthcare system functioning and finding a way to get the domestic economy functioning again. There are many who live a hand to mouth existence and staying home for them simply is not an option , they need to put food on the table. The UK is looking increasingly worse by the day, it has been handled terribly and other countries could look at it as example of what not to do.

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    The major point of vaccines is to kill the spread of the virus. That won't become a major factor until 60% of people are vaccinated.

    That won't be until well into 2021 or even 2022.

    It's all well and good feeling that you're fit to travel because you feel protected by a vaccine, but YOU CAN STILL SPREAD THE VIRUS.

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    This is the point, I think there are misconceptions about what a vaccine does.

    Even if vaccinated, you can still be exposed to and carry coronavirus, but it shouldn't develop into Covid, the disease. The vaccination trains your immune system to recognise and quickly fight off coronavirus to prevent it thriving, multiplying and mutating in your cells, which is what it really wants to to. But the virus will still happily hop aboard and during the infectious period let you pass it on to someone else, thus maintaining the R number. The vaccination should reduce the infectious period because your immune system will kill the virus off, but an infectious period will still be there

    I don't expect a country in the world to relax entry restrictions because you have a vaccination certificate any time soon, at least not until vaccinations have been rolled out to protect their own populations.

    I'm currently jumping through these hoops to gain entry back into Thailand and it's incredibly frustrating, but if I ever get there I think two weeks quarantine is a small price to pay to live a relatively normal life afterwards. Life in Covid Sweden is pretty shite, but it seems a lot better than in Covid UK and many other places just now. I don't think Thailand will change much at all while they watch the upcoming disaster unfurl across Europe in January... I just hope they don't increase restrictions before I get back.

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    If covid hit Thailand it could be very bad, around 20% of population (13 million) are over 60 yrs of age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    I don't expect a country in the world to relax entry restrictions because you have a vaccination certificate any time soon, at least not until vaccinations have been rolled out to protect their own populations
    Absolutely right Mendip. There simply is not enough data to offer any sort of confidence its under control and that the inoculation is effective.

    Harry B said it well when he said "Face it, the world is completely waiting for the vaccine to make all the chaos go away"

    IMHO that a huge gamble. While I think we all hope for positive results, I am giving it about a 50% chance to be as effective as they say.

    Best wishes to you Mendip. Hope you can get back here soon.

    Happy Holidays

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    On the same point... I'm listening to a BBC radio programme about the roll out of the new Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK.

    Doctors (not the government) are saying that to prevent continued spread of Covid, all prevention measures (hands, face, space, lockdowns, isolation etc etc) should remain in place until 70% of the population has been vaccinated. When considering this new highly contagious variant, this rises to 80% to 90% of the population, they say.

    I see no reason why Thailand or anyone else would welcome in potential carriers without quarantine measures until they have achieved this kind of vaccination roll out.

    This ain't going away any time soon.

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    Like Banzai, I was planning on staying in Thailand the next time we travel back. It was supposed to be September last year but the virus ensured that didn't happen. I am still waiting until I can travel back and isolate in my own house rather than Bangkok, preferably having had a vaccine and not requiring additional Covid cover.

    I'm not going to wait until the end of 2021, so I guess we'll have to go through whatever hoops are necessary if the situation remains the same by the summer.

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    It seems to me the only ones that disagree with me are Thai politicians and idiot posters in this forum.

    "“Fewer restrictions for vaccinated tourists,” says Greece’s Tourism Minister "

    " In an interview Theoharis emphasized that those vaccinated will no longer need to be tested or placed in quarantine. they will only need to show a vaccination document upon arrival via air or other means.
    The certificate in digital form can be requested by any authority, national or other.

    Most countries in Europe will do the same, where mutual recognition [of the certificate] between countries of departure and destination is being discussed, Theoharis said."

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    Is it just me or has this outbreak in Thailand happened at just about the worst possible time: When every fucker migrates back to their home turf?

    I would be terribly surprised (and relieved) if there wasn't an explosion of cases by mid-Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    It seems to me the only ones that disagree with me are Thai politicians and idiot posters in this forum.
    Holy Shit.



    I was going to quote some posts from this thread to show what a fucking clown you're being, but after the first 6 or 7 posts I had 5 or 6 lengthy quotes from the likes of katie, seeking asylum and mendip that I couldn't edit because every single fucking thing they'd posted totally refuted your childish, whiney 'point' about how the piece of paper you're aiming at getting should somehow make you special.

    It quickly became apparent that you really need to pay more attention.

    Thank you USA for taking that 'laughable delusions of grandeur' role off of us in roughly 1973.
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