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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    "“Fewer restrictions for vaccinated tourists,” says Greece’s Tourism Minister "
    Double quotation marks and XXL font size bolded ... for Greece's tourism minister.

    Just how rough a deal do you think you're getting Bucko?

    Compared to people who've lost loved ones and Thais who were on the breadline a year ago and have earned next to nothing since?

    C'mon...let it all out.

    You're amongst friends here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Double quotation marks and XXL font size bolded ... for Greece's tourism minister.

    Just how rough a deal do you think you're getting Bucko?

    Compared to people who've lost loved ones and Thais who were on the breadline a year ago and have earned next to nothing since?

    C'mon...let it all out.

    You're amongst friends here.

    How does the number of question marks affect the content of the quote? So far you have not disputed anything I said, you simply called me school yard names which is more of an indication to your frame of mind than what I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I'm not going to wait until the end of 2021, so I guess we'll have to go through whatever hoops are necessary if the situation remains the same by the summer.
    Situation will be same mid year and likely a bit worse so hoops will remain in place. To my mind hoops are not unreasonable including quarantine.

    Just do it Troy. Thai Dhupp did the entire hoop thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Situation will be same mid year and likely a bit worse so hoops will remain in place. To my mind hoops are not unreasonable including quarantine.

    Just do it Troy. Thai Dhupp did the entire hoop thing.

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    I'm so glad to read the comments supporting the Thai governments handling of the epidemic. As others have posted, although there are hoops to jump through none are impossible, for those groups eligible to enter Thailand.

    The Thai Embassies are exceedingly approachable, helpful and fast in pointing out any errors in applications, suggesting alternatives and confirming acceptance.

    The BKK airport crew, paperwork checkers, queue control and Immigration Officers are effective and due to lesser numbers of international arrivals very quick.

    The ASQ hotel service from airport pick-up to checkout is efficiently managed. One has a range of offerings available from budget to 5 star. If you know your hotel concierge many things are possible.

    The alternative offered by some governments, contradictory demands, media hysterics, profit driven unproven claims, more intrusive "passport" data for collection and abuse, our vaccine is better than your vaccine, jumping to be the first guinea pig to be jabbed .... indicate a total FU.

    Having been through, personally, both UK and THAI virus control and management systems I concluded the Thai system is working for their citizens and those foreigners here and those that have been allowed to re-enter Thailand. The UK system was and remains ineffective.

    By all means keep believe the daily "information" spoon fed to you, but stop this constant blaming of others for the situation you find yourself in and take control of your own life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm so glad to read the comments supporting the Thai governments handling of the epidemic. As others have posted, although there are hoops to jump through none are impossible, for those groups eligible to enter Thailand.

    The Thai Embassies are exceedingly approachable, helpful and fast in pointing out any errors in applications, suggesting alternatives and confirming acceptance.

    The BKK airport crew, paperwork checkers, queue control and Immigration Officers are effective and due to lesser numbers of international arrivals very quick.

    The ASQ hotel service from airport pick-up to checkout is efficiently managed. One has a range of offerings available from budget to 5 star. If you know your hotel concierge many things are possible.

    The alternative offered by some governments, contradictory demands, media hysterics, profit driven unproven claims, more intrusive "passport" data for collection and abuse, our vaccine is better than your vaccine, jumping to be the first guinea pig to be jabbed .... indicate a total FU.

    Having been through, personally, both UK and THAI virus control and management systems I concluded the Thai system is working for their citizens and those foreigners here and those that have been allowed to re-enter Thailand. The UK system was and remains ineffective.

    By all means keep believe the daily "information" spoon fed to you, but stop this constant blaming of others for the situation you find yourself in and take control of your own life.

    Well constructed.
    Yet, your offerings will certainly fall on the usual deaf and ignorant ears.

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    Don't anyone think that it is unreasonable to require covid Insurance from a vaccinated person with only a 5% exposure to covid, as opposed to unvaccinated individual that has a 100% exposure to covid
    what do any of you who are/were Insurance actuaries or do/did risk assessment as part of their job think of the above?

    That's without getting into the law of diminishing returns as it pertains to the length of quarantine where 96% of all covid 19 symptoms occur within the first 9 days, leaving the remaining 6 days with only marginal safety returns. So in my mind I wonder if these additional 4% chance reduction of exposure justifies the loss of travel revenue additional 6 days represent , assuming that more people would travel to Thailand if the quarantine was 9 days instead of 15.

    And a question, because I could not find statistics to crunch the numbers, But how many people were quarantined due to travel in 2020? and what percentage of them developed covid 19 during their quarantine? and at what part of their quarantine did they develop covid 19?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I'm so glad to read the comments supporting the Thai governments handling of the epidemic. As others have posted, although there are hoops to jump through none are impossible, for those groups eligible to enter Thailand.

    The Thai Embassies are exceedingly approachable, helpful and fast in pointing out any errors in applications, suggesting alternatives and confirming acceptance.

    The BKK airport crew, paperwork checkers, queue control and Immigration Officers are effective and due to lesser numbers of international arrivals very quick.

    The ASQ hotel service from airport pick-up to checkout is efficiently managed. One has a range of offerings available from budget to 5 star. If you know your hotel concierge many things are possible.

    The alternative offered by some governments, contradictory demands, media hysterics, profit driven unproven claims, more intrusive "passport" data for collection and abuse, our vaccine is better than your vaccine, jumping to be the first guinea pig to be jabbed .... indicate a total FU.

    Having been through, personally, both UK and THAI virus control and management systems I concluded the Thai system is working for their citizens and those foreigners here and those that have been allowed to re-enter Thailand. The UK system was and remains ineffective.

    By all means keep believe the daily "information" spoon fed to you, but stop this constant blaming of others for the situation you find yourself in and take control of your own life.
    Certainly the travel restrictions and quarantine mechanisms in place in various countries seem to have directly correlated with their infection numbers.

    But as Thailand is showing, if you get too complacent, it can all go horribly wrong in a heartbeat, especially if you don't have a comprehensive testing program in place to keep an eye on the spread when there is an outbreak.

    Then again, it helps if you live in a dictatorship where you can lie about your numbers as well.

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    Then again, it helps if you live in a dictatorship where you can lie about your numbers as well.
    it certainly helps living in a dictatorship but i am not convinced the thais are lying too much about the numbers, if they were that high then social media would be full of stories. some truths you just cannot hide.

    thais have been fearful of covid from the beginning, unlike many westerners who think that it is either some lizard derived hoax or that they are invincible, the thais also have massive manpower in their army and police force who are able and willing to enforce all the dictats that come from the government, able to set up roadblocks, cordon off markets and residences, shut down schools and entertainment venues at a minutes notice without any of the human rights bullshit or resistance from the public or local authorities that has prevented such draconian measures being enforced efficiently in more liberal western countries and suitable penalties enforced on those who put the lives of others at risk by their selfish behaviour.

    they also successfully closed their borders, even to expat or holidaying thais, until proper quarantine facilities were set up, and over the year managed to keep the virus out of the country. hopefully they will be able to control this latest outbreak, the figures are at the moment miniscule compared to other countries and their blatant blaming foreigners for this upsurge is somewhat disturbing but hardly unexpected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    it certainly helps living in a dictatorship but i am not convinced the thais are lying too much about the numbers, if they were that high then social media would be full of stories.
    Well it wouldn't in a country where you can get jailed for saying a hotel is shit.

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    So Oh Oh, you got back during this time yet others are whining and pissing on how they can't get back. Makes you wonder if they are really trying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    So Oh Oh, you got back during this time yet others are whining and pissing on how they can't get back. Makes you wonder if they are really trying!
    Not trying at all!!
    Different people , are in different situations and have different priorities,If my wife and or my children were in Thailand I would do what ever nessacery to get back to them,
    but I am with my wife, we are sitting in a nice house 10 minutes from the beach in Florida. I want to come back to my house in Thailand, but I am not about to spend 15 days in a hotel room with 30 minutes a day walks in the yard, and for the privilege spend thousands of dollars on covid insurance, plane tickets a quarantine hotels. Allow me to come to Thailand with a negative covid test, quarantine in my house, be tested every couple of days at my own expense , and I will come tomorrow.
    No way am I spending 15 days locked up in a hotel room. I like Thailand but I am afraid I don't like her that much.

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    harry b.
    it wouldn't in a country where you can get jailed for saying a hotel is shit.
    you seem to be somewhat confused harry, are you unwell, what exactly has that got to do with covid quarantines and vaccinations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Makes you wonder if they are really trying!
    To be fair the list of long term resident foreigners allowed to return, excluding various "Card Holders", is limited to "Passengers of spouses, parents or children of a national of Thailand ."

    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    No way am I spending 15 days locked up in a hotel room
    From my experience one was told to stay in ones room, not locked in.

    Their were cameras in the corridors. No alarm bells, flashing lights, shouts from loudspeakers or arrival of rifle toting, armor bedecked, guards, demanding one lay on the floor and put ones hands behind ones back. If one stepped over you door threshold.

    Three times a day your food, selected from a menu, was delivered to a table outside your door and announced by a knock on the door. Twice a day a knock at the door announce the temperature taking squad.

    After your first ASQ virus test one could be escorted to whatever the hotel provided.

    Depending on your ASQ that could be an outside exercise/communal meeting area, a cafe, exercise gym, swimming pool, possibly massage rooms ....

    All maintained by hotel staff wearing masks. Escorted back to your room on request. There was no restriction on how many times a day. There were restrictions on the numbers utilising each area/facility.

    All ASQ hotels list the "facilities" available to the client. Due diligence may make your stay endurable.

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    Ahaa, you did not say anything about killer dogs, How about killer dogs patrolling the hallways?
    I bet they have those. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    harry b.


    you seem to be somewhat confused harry, are you unwell, what exactly has that got to do with covid quarantines and vaccinations?
    Did you not read the post which I actually fucking quoted when saying that?

    Or are you just too fucking thick to understand it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    No way am I spending 15 days locked up in a hotel room. I like Thailand but I am afraid I don't like her that much.
    That will be the main objection for most tourists.

    If Thailand wants tourists back it's going to have to knock it on the head, and if that means waiting until Thailand reaches herd immunity you are looking at probably 4Q21.

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    If things go to plan I'll be entering quarantine in two weeks time. While it's not ideal I want to get home and two weeks quarantine doesn't seem a big price to pay for hopefully several months at home with my family. I've been away for over five months now.

    A good friend of mine who also works offshore on regular rotations in Norway will be entering quarantine a week after me. He's been away from his home in Bangkok now since last February and will get six weeks leave... so will only spend a four weeks of that at home. I'm glad I'm not in that position but you can't just stay away from home forever waiting for quarantine rules to change. Two weeks will pass pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    If things go to plan I'll be entering quarantine in two weeks time. While it's not ideal I want to get home and two weeks quarantine doesn't seem a big price to pay for hopefully several months at home with my family. I've been away for over five months now.

    A good friend of mine who also works offshore on regular rotations in Norway will be entering quarantine a week after me. He's been away from his home in Bangkok now since last February and will get six weeks leave... so will only spend a four weeks of that at home. I'm glad I'm not in that position but you can't just stay away from home forever waiting for quarantine rules to change. Two weeks will pass pretty quickly.
    Good luck to you my friend, and I hope you join your family soon.
    If my wife, or family was not with me I would also bite the bullet and do what ever I could to be with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That will be the main objection for most tourists.

    If Thailand wants tourists back it's going to have to knock it on the head, and if that means waiting until Thailand reaches herd immunity you are looking at probably 4Q21.
    With the uptick of infections in Thailand I can understand not relaxing requirements now. But some of them do not make sense and IMO are harmful to the Thai economy and Thai people.
    From all that I have read, 96% of all symptoms manifest themselves with in the first 9 days. so the additional 6 days do little to prevent infections. but a lot to deter people from coming there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    With the uptick of infections in Thailand I can understand not relaxing requirements now. But some of them do not make sense and IMO are harmful to the Thai economy and Thai people.
    From all that I have read, 96% of all symptoms manifest themselves with in the first 9 days. so the additional 6 days do little to prevent infections. but a lot to deter people from coming there.
    Remember the requirements actually say you have to have a negative PCR test a maximum of 72 hours after before arrival at your last airport of departure.

    So that adds three days.

    My mate who did this a few months back was happily doing his quarantine when it was found that some Froggy twat on his flight had tested positive. So they had to assume that anyone on the flight could essentially have been infected right at the first day of quarantine.

    And since the WHO's guidance is:

    What is the incubation period of COVID-19?

    The incubation period of COVID-19, which is the time between exposure to the virus and symptom onset, is on average 5-6 days, but can be as long as 14 days. Thus, quarantine should be in place for 14 days from the last exposure to a confirmed case.
    ... you can fill in the dots.

    As it was, he passed the in-quarantine PCR tests and was free to go on the due date (he spent about 12 weeks in Thailand after quarantine, went back to Saudi and promptly got infected!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    you did not say anything about killer dogs
    There was an attractive Thai lady in a room opposite mine. The only communication was the occasional smile during our daily temperature tests.

    She did have a collection of alluring pajama sets though:

    Foreigners who have been vaccinated still need to quarantine-pyjama-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    From all that I have read, 96% of all symptoms manifest themselves with in the first 9 days. so the additional 6 days do little to prevent infections.
    It appears that you haven't read much.

    30 - 50% of Covid carriers do not have any symptoms.

    The truth about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today


    Authorities around the world have looked at reducing the quarantine period, and not many have ultimately done so.

    I repeat, Thailand has done a much better job of containing the threat than the vast majority of countries.

    Frankly, the 'upside' of letting a tourist in after nine days rather than fourteen is very limited compared to the potential downside. And that's true even if he or she isn't an entitled, ignorant whiner.

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    ^ It used to be 21 days here, now it is 14 with an additional week at home in self isolation. Mongolia is still doing better than the UK. The community outbreak was apparently due to a breakdown in the rules in one quarantine hotel. Of more concern here is lockdown and how they are really hammering the poor and making a life that was already hard even more of a hardship.

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