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    Tokyo protests Russian missile system deployment on Kuril Islands

    TOKYO, December 2. /TASS/. Japanís government voiced protest over the deployment of the Russian Eastern Military Districtís S-300V4 surface-to-air missile system on the Kuril Islands, the Japanese Foreign Ministryís press service told TASS on Wednesday.

    "We are constantly gathering information about the Russian militaryís actions in the Northern Territories (Japanís term to refer to Russiaís Southern Kuril Islands - TASS). On December 1, the Japanese Embassy in Russia lodged a protest with the Russian Foreign Ministry, noting that such actions can reinforce Russian military capabilities and are incompatible with our country's position on these islands," the ministry said.


    On Tuesday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that the units of the S-300V4 surface-to-air missile system of the Eastern Military District entered combat duty on the Kuril Islands.


    The S-300V4 is an advanced highly mobile air defense missile system designated to protect vital military and administrative facilities and groupings of forces against strikes by ballistic and aerodynamic air attack weapons. This is the fourth version of the upgraded S-300V battlefield anti-aircraft missile system.

    Russia and Japan have been in talks to sign a peace treaty since the mid-20th century. The main stumbling block to achieving this is the ownership issue over the Southern Kuril Islands, called the Northern Territories in Japan. After the end of World War II, the Kuril Islands were incorporated into the Soviet Union. However, the ownership of Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan Islands and the Habomai Islands has been challenged by Japan. The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly said that Russiaís sovereignty over these islands, which is committed to paper in international documents, cannot be called in question.


    Tokyo protests Russia’s missile system deployment on Kuril Islands - World - TASS

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    Seems the missiles are located on Kunashiri and Etorofu-to Islands. You can see those islands from the coast of Hokkaido.

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    I wouldn't worry about it, they're shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    A vassal lives with the consequences imposed by it's master.
    Your inopportune whataboutism is yet again inapplicable . . . but you're too much of a fuckwit with an agenda to notice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Japan’s government voiced protest over the deployment of the Russian Eastern Military District’s S-300V4 surface-to-air missile system on the Kuril Islands, the Japanese Foreign Ministry’s press service told TASS on Wednesday.
    it's nothing unusual, just a normal balancing (compensation) of Japanese protests.

    It's only a bit different: all the decades protests against Okinawa are "voiced" by the population, the govt has no "voice" after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    the govt has no "voice" after all...
    More like you have no brain if you don't know about US bases in Japan, as you clearly don't

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    America forced Tokyo to give up Kuril Islands, yet now it labels its Russian residents as Japanese, ex-diplomat tells RT


    "The US’ decision to label residents of the disputed Kuril Islands as Japanese is a “very strange and irregular” move, former Australian diplomat Gregory Clark has told RT, adding it shows “rampant revisionism” on the US’ part.

    The bizarre move by US officials first caught the eye of Japanese media last week. It transpired that Russian citizens born on the islands of Habomai, Shikotan, Kunashir, and Iturup were considered Japanese by the US immigration authorities for the purpose of drawing green cards.
    The sneaky designation sparked an angry reaction in Moscow, with Russian diplomats stressing that the country’s sovereignty over the four islands is not the subject of any dispute.

    “Do you need more proof that the US is a revisionist power?” Russia’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement. “In 1945, the Kuril Islands were transferred to the Soviet Union. But today the State Department is seeking to reopen the settlement of the Second World War and encouraging territorial revanchism.”

    Such a designation certainly amounts to “rampant revisionism” and meddling in affairs between Moscow and Tokyo, believes former Australian diplomat Gregory Clark, a specialist in international relations and security.

    It’s rampant revisionism, because what happened in 1951 is very interesting. At the time, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshida Shigeru tried very hard to get America to agree that they should not have to give up all the islands, that they should be allowed to retain some of them – in particular, ones that are now being disputed. And America quite clearly said, no, there could be no re-negotiation

    Moreover, it looks like a “very irregular, very strange” move on Washington’s part, given its own role in the secession of the disputed islands from Japan in the aftermath of World War II."

    “It was America who forced Japan to give up these islands in the peace treaty with Japan in 1951,” Clark told RT, adding that the loss of the islands by Tokyo received wide international recognition – regardless of the bilateral Russia-Japan relations. The two nations still lack a proper peace treaty.

    “It was not just America, but 50 other countries… who all agreed in 1951, in the San Francisco peace treaty, that Japan would give up all right and claim to the Kuril Islands. Absolutely no ambiguity.”

    America forced Tokyo to give up Kuril Islands, yet now it labels its Russian residents as Japanese, ex-diplomat tells RT — RT World News
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    America forced Tokyo to give up Kuril Islands, yet now it labels its Russian residents as Japanese, ex-diplomat tells RT
    But they didn't give them to Russia.

    And there is the problem.

    They should make them an independent state, then there would be no argument.

    Except from the chinkies, they'd shit themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    purpose of drawing green cards.
    Leaving the rat-infested motherland to go to the monopolkapitalistikpigdog state?????

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    “Do you need more proof that the US is a revisionist power?”
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It’s rampant revisionism
    They need new words, 1952 wants theirs back

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    But they didn't give them to Russia.
    They, Franklin D Roosevelt, on behalf of United States and Winston S. Churchill, on behalf of Great Britain, (see clause 3 highlighted below), did in fact, sign them away in the governments to government signed treaty.



    Foreign Relations of the United States: Diplomatic Papers, Conferences at Malta and Yalta, 1945

    Agreement Regarding Entry of the Soviet Union Into the War Against Japan 1
    top secret

    Agreement


    "The leaders of the three Great Powers—the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain—have agreed that in two or three months after Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe has terminated the Soviet Union shall enter into the war against Japan on the side of the Allies on condition that:

    1.The status quo in Outer-Mongolia (The Mongolian People’s Republic) shall be preserved;

    2.
    The former rights of Russia violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904 shall be restored, viz:

    (a)
    the southern part of Sakhalin as well as all the islands adjacent to it shall be returned to the Soviet Union,

    (b)
    the commercial port of Dairen shall be internationalized, the preeminent interests of the Soviet Union in this port being safeguarded and the lease of Port Arthur as a naval base of the USSR restored,

    (c)the Chinese-Eastern Railroad and the South-Manchurian Railroad which provides an outlet to Dairen shall be jointly operated by the establishment of a joint Soviet-Chinese Company it being understood that the preeminent interests of the Soviet Union shall be safeguarded and that China shall retain full sovereignty in Manchuria;

    3.
    The Kuril islands shall be handed over to the Soviet Union.

    It is understood, that the agreement concerning Outer-Mongolia and the ports and railroads referred to above will require concurrence of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek. The President will take measures in order to obtain this concurrence on advice from Marshal Stalin.


    The Heads of the three Great Powers have agreed that these claims of the Soviet Union shall be unquestionably fulfilled after Japan has been defeated.

    For its part the Soviet Union expresses its readiness to conclude with the National Government of China a pact of friendship and alliance between the USSR and China in order to render assistance to China with its armed forces for the purpose of liberating China from the Japanese yoke.


    И. Ctajiиh (
    I. Stalin)

    Franklin D Roosevelt

    Winston S. Churchill

    February 11, 1945."


    1. Released to the press by the Department of State on February 11, 1946; printed as Department of State Executive Agreement Series No. 498; also in 59 Stat. 1823.


    Foreign Relations of the United States: Diplomatic Papers, Conferences at Malta and Yalta, 1945 - Office of the Historian


    Malta Conference (1945) - Wikipedia


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference
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    In 1855, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Shimoda, which gave Japan ownership of the four southern islands and Russia ownership of everything to the north.

    Communities developed on three of the islands and by the time World War II began, there were 17,000 Japanese residents.

    Russia took control of the islands at the end of the war, and by 1949 it had deported all residents to Japan.

    Under the
    1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, signed between the Allies and Japan, Japan renounced "all right, title and claim to the Kuril Islands", as well as over other possessions.

    But this resolved nothing, because
    Russia did not sign the treaty and the Japanese government has never recognised the four islands as part of the Kuril chain.
    Russia should do the decent thing and honour the treaty it signed. But of course it is headed up by a prize c u n t.

    Kuril islands dispute between Russia and Japan - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Under the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, signed between the Allies and Japan
    Not all the allies. India, Russia and China did not.

    Treaty of San Francisco

    "The Soviet Union, Poland and Czechoslovakia, all part of the Soviet Bloc, and a further two states refused to send representatives: India and Yugoslavia. Italy and China were not invited,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Not all the allies. India, Russia and China did not.

    Treaty of San Francisco


    "The Soviet Union, Poland and Czechoslovakia, all part of the Soviet Bloc, and a further two states refused to send representatives: India and Yugoslavia. Italy and China were not invited,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco


    So Harry is saying that Russia should honor a treaty that it not only didn't sign or even recognize.

    In all seriousness, Abe and Putin are good friends. And they could have settled this between Russia and Japan 2 years ago. But Japan is an occupied country. So it cannot sign for itself.

    Russia's Putin tells Japan's Abe: 'Let's sign peace deal this year'

    “An idea has just come into my head,” Putin said to Abe during a question and answer session at an economic forum in the Russian city of Vladivostok.


    “Let’s conclude a peace treaty before the end of this year, without any pre-conditions.”

    Abe did not respond.


    Earlier, Putin said security in the region was a key issue and that Russia was concerned by a move to establish a U.S. missile defense system there.

    Japan decided last year it would expand its ballistic missile defense system with U.S.-made ground-based Aegis radar stations and interceptors.


    “This is all the subject of negotiations... We have been negotiating for 70 years,” Putin said.
    “Shinzo said let’s change approaches. Okay,” Putin said, before proposing they sign a peace treaty.




    Later in the same session, Putin said of his offer: “I was not joking.”
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-economy-forum-putin-treaty-idUSKCN1LS0RV



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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Japan decided last year it would expand its ballistic missile defense system with U.S.-made ground-based Aegis radar stations and interceptors.
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    “An idea has just come into my head,” Putin said to Abe .......

    “Let’s conclude a peace treaty before the end of this year, without any pre-conditions.”



    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Japan is an occupied country

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Not all the allies. India, Russia and China did not.
    Yes, I already said Russia did not, and that's all that matters you feeble minded idiot.

    It signed this one:

    In 1855, Russia and Japan signed the Treaty of Shimoda, which gave Japan ownership of the four southern islands and Russia ownership of everything to the north.
    Can't you fucking read or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Can't you fucking read or something?
    He's too busy wanking off to arbitrary 'dotted lines' created by some drunk dude wanting good favour from the inbred emperor . . . because THAT is law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It signed this one:
    Which was annulled by Russia and Japan,

    Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1875)

    "The Treaty of Saint Petersburg (樺太・千島交換条約, Karafuto-Chishima Kōkan Jōyaku) (Russian:Петербургский договор) between the Empire of Japan and Empire of Russia was signed on 7 May 1875, and its ratifications exchanged at Tokyo on 22 August 1875. The treaty itself went into effect in 1877.[1] Its terms stipulated that Japan cedes to Russia the part of Sakhalin island it then owned in exchange for the group of the Kuril Islands owned by Russia (between Iturup island and the Kamchatka Peninsula).[2][3][4] Consequently, Sakhalin island as a whole became Russian territory, and the entire Kuril archipelago Japanese territory.[5]


    The authentic text of the Treaty is written in French. Differences with its Japanese translation contributed to the controversy on what constitutes the Kuril islands, claims to which Japan renounced in 1951 by the Treaty of San Francisco."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...ersburg_(1875)


    Which was modified to by the Great powers agreement:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    2. (a)t The southern part of Sakhalin as well as all the islands adjacent to it shall be returned to the Soviet Union,
    and subsequently the Japanese WWII surrender agreements (negotiated and typically legally binding arrangements between parties as to a course of action.)

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    3.The Kuril islands shall be handed over to the Soviet Union.

    'No final peace treaty has been signed and the status of four neighboring islands remains disputed. Japan renounced its claims of sovereignty over southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands in the Treaty of San Francisco (1951)"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakhalin


    Agreement:

    a decision or arrangement, often formal and written, between two or more groups or people:

    The dispute was settled by an agreement that satisfied both sides.

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...lish/agreement

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    China signs the Treaty of Nanjing

    Treaty Of Nanjing (Nanking), 1842




    Teaty of Nanjing singed after the the Opium War between Britain and China


    December 13, 1901





    Treaty of Nanjing (Nanking), 1842

    (Ratifications exchanged at Hongkong, 26th June 1843.)


    VICTORIA, by the Grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc., etc., etc. To All and Singular to whom these Presents shall come, Greeting! Whereas a Treaty between Us and Our Good Brother The Emperor of China, was concluded and signed, in the English and Chinese Languages, on board Our Ship the Cornwallis, at Nanking, on the Twenty-ninth day of August, in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Forty-two, by the Plenipotentiaries of Us and of Our said Good Brother, duly and respectively authorized for that purpose; which Treaty is hereunto annexed in Original.

    TREATY
    Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and His Majesty the Emperor of China, being desirous of putting an end to the misunderstandings and consequent hostilities which have arisen between the two Countries, have resolved to conclude a Treaty for that purpose, and have therefore named as their Plenipotentiaries, that is to say: Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, HENRY POTTINGER, Bart., a Major General in the Service of the East India Company, etc., etc.; And His Imperial Majesty the Emperor of China, the High Commiasioners KEYING, a Member of the Imperial House, a Guardian of the Crown Prince and General of the Garrison of Canton; and ELEPOO, of Imperial Kindred, graciously permitted to wear the insignia of the first rank, and the distinction of Peacock's feather, lately Minister and Governor General etc., and now Lieutenant-General Commanding at Chapoo: Who, after having communicated to each other their respective Full Powers and found them to be in good and due form, have agreed upon, and concluded, the following Articles:

    ARTICLE I.
    There shall henceforward be Peace and Friendship between Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and His Majesty the Emperor of China, and between their respective Subjects, who shall enjoy full security and protection for their persons and property within the Dominions of the other.

    ARTICLE II.
    His Majesty the Emperor of China agrees that British Subjects, with their families and establishments, shall be allowed to reside, for the purpose of carrying on their Mercantile pursuits, without molestation or restraint at the Cities and Towns of Canton, Amoy, Foochow-fu, Ningpo, and Shanghai, and Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain, etc., will appoint Superintendents or Consular Officers, to reside at each of the above-named Cities or Towns, to be the medium of communication between the Chinese Authorities and the said Merchants, and to see that the just Duties and other Dues of the Chinese Government is hereafter provided for, are duly discharged by Her Britannic Majesty's Subjects.

    ARTICLE III.





    It being obviously necessary and desirable, that British Subjects should have some Port whereat they may careen and refit their Ships, when required, and keep Stores for that purpose, His Majesty the Emperor of China cedes to Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain, etc., the Island of Hongkong, to be possessed in perpetuity by Her Britannic Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors, and to be governed by such Laws and Regulations as Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain, etc., shall see fit to direct.
    So, several countries have the right to parts of what is now, illegally, China . . . slimy little backhanded fuckers

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Which was annulled by Russia and Japan,

    Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1875)
    Except:

    Its terms stipulated that Japan cedes to Russia the part of Sakhalin island it then owned in exchange for the group of the Kuril Islands owned by Russia (between Iturup island and the Kamchatka Peninsula). Consequently, Sakhalin island as a whole became Russian territory, and the entire Kuril archipelago Japanese territory.
    It seems Russia's reputation as being untrustworthy is well founded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It seems Russia's reputation as being untrustworthy is well founded.
    Which is why they have so much in common with China . . . the only reason these two morally decrepit nations are rubbing noses is the old adage 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It seems Russia's reputation as being untrustworthy is well founded.
    Why they are not so "trustworthy" as another superpower that never withdraw from their treaties?

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    While in February 1945 the Yalta Agreement [14] had promised to the Soviet Union South Sakhalin and the Kuril islands in return for entering into World War II against the Japanese, the Soviet Union nevertheless mounted an armed invasion of South Sakhalin at the cost of over 5,000 lives.[15
    Between 18 August and 31 August 1945 Soviet forces invaded the North and South Kurils.
    The entire Japanese civilian population of roughly 17,000 was expelled by the Soviets by 1946.
    Between 24 August and 4 September 1945 the Eleventh Air Force of the United States Army Air Forces sent two B-24s on reconnaissance missions over the North Kuril Islands with intention to take photos of the Soviet occupation in the area. Soviet fighters intercepted and forced them away.
    As of 2013, 19,434 people inhabited the Kuril Islands. These include ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Nivkhs, Oroch, and Ainus. Russian Orthodoxy and Islam are the only religions with significant following among the population
    Kuril Islands - Wikipedia

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