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    Outcry in Asian Muslim Countries over Islamophobia in France

    Close to 10,000 people rallied in Bangladesh’s capital Tuesday to call for a boycott of French goods, while Malaysia and Indonesia condemned Islamophobia amid growing anger across the Muslim world against France’s leader for defending cartoons of the prophet.


    President Emmanuel Macron is facing a backlash for saying last week that France would “not give up cartoons,” in a speech in which he paid homage to a French teacher who was beheaded earlier this month for showing his students caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.


    Many Muslims see visual depictions of the prophet as offensive. On Tuesday, protesters in Dhaka said the cartoons had caused great anguish, while Malaysia, without naming France, condemned acts that defame Islam, like the publication of depictions of the prophet. Macron’s comments defending these cartoons are insulting to Islam, Indonesia said.


    “The publication of cartoons of the prophet in France, under the auspices of the state, has caused bloodshed in the hearts of Muslims all over the world. France needs to be taught a lesson with a boycott of its products across the world," Mufti Syed Rezaul Karim, president of Islami Andolon Bangladesh, said during a speech at the rally organized by the faith-based political party, which calls for Sharia rule in the Muslim-majority country.


    Samuel Paty, the French teacher who was beheaded in a Paris suburb on Oct. 16 had shown his students some of the prophet‘s cartoons published in Charlie Hebdo. The publication of the same cartoons in 2015 led to an attack by Islamic extremists that killed 12 people in and around the main offices of the French satirical magazine.


    Last week, Paty’s portrait and cartoons were projected on buildings in two French cities as a tribute to the teacher.


    Islami Andolon’s Karim urged Bangladesh’s government to pass a resolution condemning France for allowing the publication of caricatures of the prophet. He also demanded that Dhaka snap diplomatic ties with Paris.


    BenarNews contacted Bangladesh Foreign Minister A.K. Abdul Momen for comment. He declined to speak on the protests but urged calm.


    “[W]e hope that no one will hurt anyone’s faith. Everyone should be patient in this matter,” Momen told BenarNews.


    The French Embassy in Dhaka declined to comment about the protests.


    Md. Shamsul Alam, chairman of the Islamic Studies department at Dhaka University, told BenarNews that France should be criticized, but peacefully.


    “Bangladesh should condemn this act of France. We do not tolerate anyone insulting the messenger of Allah,” Alam told BenarNews.


    “But we have to protest in a systematic and peaceful manner. The fact that Islam is a religion of peace must also be proven in the protests,” he said.


    “The boycott call is a peaceful program. But it is not right to lay siege to the embassy or to suddenly cut off of diplomatic relations, because France is a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council and a friend of Bangladesh.”


    Malaysia: ‘Provocative and disrespectful’


    Meanwhile, Malaysia on Tuesday said it was “gravely concerned” about what it believes are the growing and open hostilities towards Muslims in the name of support for free speech.


    “Malaysia is committed to upholding the freedom of speech and expression as fundamental human rights for as long as these rights are exercised with respect and responsibility in order to not infringe on or violate the rights of others,” Foreign Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said in a statement.


    “In this context, to denigrate and tarnish Islam’s Holy Prophet and to associate Islam with terrorism are certainly beyond the scope of such rights. Such an act is provocative and disrespectful towards Islam and more than two billion Muslims all over the world.”


    The statement didn’t once mention France but a ministerial aide told BenarNews that the minister was referring to current goings-on in France.


    Last Wednesday, Macron said the 47-year-old French teacher, who was killed by an 18-year-old boy of Chechen origin, was slain by “cowards,” because he represented the secular, democratic values of the French Republic.


    “Samuel Paty became … the face of the Republic, of our will to shatter terrorists, to reduce Islamists, to live like a community of free citizens in our country,” Macron said at a ceremony held at Sorbonne University in Paris to honor Paty, according to a transcript.


    At this ceremony, Paty was also posthumously granted France’s highest award, the Légion d’Honneur.


    Malaysia’s Pan Islamic Party (PAS), which is a part of the ruling coalition, on Tuesday sent a memorandum of protest against Islamophobia to the French embassy in Kuala Lumpur.


    At a press conference in front of the French Embassy, the party's vice-president, Idris Ahmad, said the memorandum demanded that France withdraw the posthumous honor given to Paty, suspend the publication license of Charlie Hebdo, and ban the magazine “for insulting” the prophet.


    “People who are civilized and have moral values can never accept insults against any religions. What is happening in France is shameful. It is not proper for a highly developed country to behave this way,” Idris said.


    Anwar Ibrahim, the leader of the Malaysian opposition, also criticized Macron.


    “With freedom comes responsibility, a responsibility notably absent from the rabblerousing smears essayed by Monsieur le President,” he said.


    But Anwar, at the same time, criticized Muslim zealots for praising the killing of the French schoolteacher.


    “There is no defense for the violence and murders of the men of blood, the misguided homicidal monsters who pervert Islam,” he said. “[I] mourn for Mr. Samuel Paty as for all the victims of such depredations.”

    French envoy summoned


    In Jakarta, Indonesia’s foreign ministry summoned French Ambassador Olivier Chambard to voice its concerns about the situation in France, spokesman Teuku Faizasyah told BenarNews.


    “We conveyed our condemnation of the French president’s remarks that were insulting to Islam,” Teuku said.


    Macron is stoking Islamophobia by allowing cartoons of Prophet Muhammad to be published, said Muhyiddin Junaidi, deputy chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulema (MUI), on Monday.


    “The MUI believes that Macron is indirectly supporting the Islamophobic movement,” Muhyiddin said, according to state news agency Antara News.


    Similarly, the Muslim Prosperous Justice Party (PKS) condemned Macron’s “attack” on Islam and the Muslim community.


    “We urge the foreign ministry to remind French authorities not to engage in Islamophobia and anti-Muslim rhetoric to appeal to Islamophobes,” said Toriq Hidayat, a PKS legislator, in a statement on the party’s website.


    Outcry in Asian Muslim Countries over ‘Islamophobia’ in France

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    Knee-jerk reaction in the Islamic world towards something they don't understand, Freedom of Speech!! and an attempt to impose on other countries that which they deny to their own country.

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    third world neanderthal mentality. what do you expect.

    macron was not in any way insulting to islam, the religion of the perpetually offended.

    they are too busy hanging gays, stoning women and beheading criminals to understand civilised progress, yet strangely enough, they seek in their millions to leave their homelands and reside in the very countries they despise, and once there demand their hosts join them in the stone age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    third world neanderthal mentality. what do you expect.

    macron was not in any way insulting to islam, the religion of the perpetually offended.

    they are too busy hanging gays, stoning women and beheading criminals to understand civilised progress, yet strangely enough, they seek in their millions to leave their homelands and reside in the very countries they despise, and once there demand their hosts join them in the stone age.
    It's more of a 7th century mentality tban a 3rd world one

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    Fuggem if they can't take a joke.

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    I'm guessing you didn't realise that none of Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia are in the Middle East then.

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    ^
    Just too lazy to change the meme.
    I'm sure you can work out the message though. Maybe ask an adult to help you?

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    Worth remembering that the overwhelming majority of all religions are regular human beings, with no axe to grind, and they would prefer to be left to get on with their lives in peace.

    The radical elements do exist of course. We know this, because they generate all the publicity.

    Certainly in my experience travelling around Asia, the followers of religious practices are no more violent than any other group.

    The Middle East is different in terms of groupings set against each other, and the diaspora to western countries is, for the most part, escapism on their part.

    Please carry on with the reinforcement of religious stereotypical generalizations. It’s exactly what the radical minority want you to do.

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    the overwhelming majority of all religions are regular human beings, with no axe to grind, and they would prefer to be left to get on with their lives in peace.
    Hear, hear. Why do we pay so much attention to the wasters, the losers, the radicals, the permanently upset minorities (within a minority), the serial malcontents- and so little to the normal, common people who just get on with things?
    Be upset about something. I guess bad news sells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    ^
    Just too lazy to change the meme.
    I'm sure you can work out the message though. Maybe ask an adult to help you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm guessing you didn't realise that none of Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia are in the Middle East then.
    Are you bored or stupid?

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    How wonderful that Western people can write, read, hear what they want, nobody control them - (only sometimes for a good purpose)....

    “Mr. Dorsey, your platform allows foreign dictators to post propaganda, typically without restriction, yet you typically restrict the president of the United States,” Wicker said, pointing to tweets by Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that remain on the platform.

    Dorsey, in defending his company’s policies, noted that Twitter has attached labels to Khamenei’s posts, just like it has with some of President Trump’s. But unlike Trump, some of Khamenei’s tweets have been removed.

    The Twitter CEO did, however, acknowledge his company mishandling of a recent New York Post story about Hunter Biden with dubious sourcing. Twitter initially prevented the spread of the article on its platform, sparking particularly harsh criticism from conservatives.

    In a heated exchange Wednesday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) asked Dorsey: “Who the hell elected you and put you in charge of what the media are allowed to report and what the American people are allowed to hear?”

    Dorsey said that’s not what Twitter is doing, adding that his company wants to be more transparent about its policies.
    Tech CEOs clash with lawmakers in contentious hearing | TheHill

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    ^ What's that got to do with this thread, klondyke?

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    Freedom if speech, freedom of expression... What is the thread about? (Outcry in Asian Muslim Countries over Islamophobia in France).

    What is the turmoil now in the Muslim world? As it has not been enough done for it?

    How it is measured? With what standard?

    What would happen e.g. in Thailand?

    And what happening in the "bastion of free speech" where just anything can be printed? (provided that it is what I want to hear...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Malaysia and Indonesia condemned Islamophobia
    O.K. now let me get this straight, Muslims from shithole countries are claiming that France has a phobia but they themselves:

    Most Indonesian Muslims do not want non-Muslims in leadership positions in government, which points to rising political intolerance in the country, a survey showed on Monday
    or

    Indonesia’s largest Islamic organisation, Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), has urged Muslims to refrain from using the word kafir (infidels) when referring to non-Muslims.
    Well, I'am sorry for these people, but at least they have an excuse. Part of their brain has been invested with a religion called Islam. What I don't excuse are the muslim apologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    ^
    Just too lazy to change the meme.
    I'm sure you can work out the message though. Maybe ask an adult to help you?
    Well I think the one who needs the adult is you, given that I live in the Middle East and I can assure you no-one really gives a fuck, although you can probably find a quote from a mad mullah or a Yemeni terrorist if you look really hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Are you bored or stupid?
    Are you shit only at geography and politics, or just generally a fucking moron? **



    ** Rhetorical question.

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    The majority of decent people will be horrified by this kind of attack. I don't care if some extremist thinks he is fighting a war, killing a 70-year old woman makes him a coward.

    And fuck anyone who cheers this kind of act, by the way. I hope they die too, they are no use to humanity.

    Nice terror attack: 'Woman beheaded inside church' as three dead in knife attack frenzy

    A knife attack occurred on Thursday morning, October 29, at around 9am near the Notre-Dame church in Nice which has left three people dead and several others injured

    <snip>

    Nice-Matin reports that a person of around 70 years old was beheaded inside the Notre-Dame basilica and another person lost their life inside the church.

    Nice terror attack: 'Woman beheaded inside church' as three dead in knife attack frenzy - Daily Star

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    given that I live in the Middle East and I can assure you no-one really gives a fuck

    ..... and therein lies the problem.

    the complete silence and indifference from the muslim world to these and other terrorist attacks.

    they are idiots, brainwashed by their faith and forced into submission by being afraid to questioning its extremes and challenge the bearded zealots that control them.

    the meaning of the word islam is submission is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Close to 10,000 people rallied in Bangladesh’s capital Tuesday to call for a boycott of French goods, while Malaysia and Indonesia condemned Islamophobia amid growing anger across the Muslim world against France’s leader for defending cartoons of the prophet.


    President Emmanuel Macron is facing a backlash for saying last week that France would “not give up cartoons,” in a speech in which he paid homage to a French teacher who was beheaded earlier this month for showing his students caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.


    Many Muslims see visual depictions of the prophet as offensive. On Tuesday, protesters in Dhaka said the cartoons had caused great anguish, while Malaysia, without naming France, condemned acts that defame Islam, like the publication of depictions of the prophet. Macron’s comments defending these cartoons are insulting to Islam, Indonesia said.


    “The publication of cartoons of the prophet in France, under the auspices of the state, has caused bloodshed in the hearts of Muslims all over the world. France needs to be taught a lesson with a boycott of its products across the world," Mufti Syed Rezaul Karim, president of Islami Andolon Bangladesh, said during a speech at the rally organized by the faith-based political party, which calls for Sharia rule in the Muslim-majority country.


    Samuel Paty, the French teacher who was beheaded in a Paris suburb on Oct. 16 had shown his students some of the prophet‘s cartoons published in Charlie Hebdo. The publication of the same cartoons in 2015 led to an attack by Islamic extremists that killed 12 people in and around the main offices of the French satirical magazine.


    Last week, Paty’s portrait and cartoons were projected on buildings in two French cities as a tribute to the teacher.


    Islami Andolon’s Karim urged Bangladesh’s government to pass a resolution condemning France for allowing the publication of caricatures of the prophet. He also demanded that Dhaka snap diplomatic ties with Paris.


    BenarNews contacted Bangladesh Foreign Minister A.K. Abdul Momen for comment. He declined to speak on the protests but urged calm.


    “[W]e hope that no one will hurt anyone’s faith. Everyone should be patient in this matter,” Momen told BenarNews.


    The French Embassy in Dhaka declined to comment about the protests.


    Md. Shamsul Alam, chairman of the Islamic Studies department at Dhaka University, told BenarNews that France should be criticized, but peacefully.


    “Bangladesh should condemn this act of France. We do not tolerate anyone insulting the messenger of Allah,” Alam told BenarNews.


    “But we have to protest in a systematic and peaceful manner. The fact that Islam is a religion of peace must also be proven in the protests,” he said.


    “The boycott call is a peaceful program. But it is not right to lay siege to the embassy or to suddenly cut off of diplomatic relations, because France is a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council and a friend of Bangladesh.”


    Malaysia: ‘Provocative and disrespectful’


    Meanwhile, Malaysia on Tuesday said it was “gravely concerned” about what it believes are the growing and open hostilities towards Muslims in the name of support for free speech.


    “Malaysia is committed to upholding the freedom of speech and expression as fundamental human rights for as long as these rights are exercised with respect and responsibility in order to not infringe on or violate the rights of others,” Foreign Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said in a statement.


    “In this context, to denigrate and tarnish Islam’s Holy Prophet and to associate Islam with terrorism are certainly beyond the scope of such rights. Such an act is provocative and disrespectful towards Islam and more than two billion Muslims all over the world.”


    The statement didn’t once mention France but a ministerial aide told BenarNews that the minister was referring to current goings-on in France.


    Last Wednesday, Macron said the 47-year-old French teacher, who was killed by an 18-year-old boy of Chechen origin, was slain by “cowards,” because he represented the secular, democratic values of the French Republic.


    “Samuel Paty became … the face of the Republic, of our will to shatter terrorists, to reduce Islamists, to live like a community of free citizens in our country,” Macron said at a ceremony held at Sorbonne University in Paris to honor Paty, according to a transcript.


    At this ceremony, Paty was also posthumously granted France’s highest award, the Légion d’Honneur.


    Malaysia’s Pan Islamic Party (PAS), which is a part of the ruling coalition, on Tuesday sent a memorandum of protest against Islamophobia to the French embassy in Kuala Lumpur.


    At a press conference in front of the French Embassy, the party's vice-president, Idris Ahmad, said the memorandum demanded that France withdraw the posthumous honor given to Paty, suspend the publication license of Charlie Hebdo, and ban the magazine “for insulting” the prophet.


    “People who are civilized and have moral values can never accept insults against any religions. What is happening in France is shameful. It is not proper for a highly developed country to behave this way,” Idris said.


    Anwar Ibrahim, the leader of the Malaysian opposition, also criticized Macron.


    “With freedom comes responsibility, a responsibility notably absent from the rabblerousing smears essayed by Monsieur le President,” he said.


    But Anwar, at the same time, criticized Muslim zealots for praising the killing of the French schoolteacher.


    “There is no defense for the violence and murders of the men of blood, the misguided homicidal monsters who pervert Islam,” he said. “[I] mourn for Mr. Samuel Paty as for all the victims of such depredations.”

    French envoy summoned


    In Jakarta, Indonesia’s foreign ministry summoned French Ambassador Olivier Chambard to voice its concerns about the situation in France, spokesman Teuku Faizasyah told BenarNews.


    “We conveyed our condemnation of the French president’s remarks that were insulting to Islam,” Teuku said.


    Macron is stoking Islamophobia by allowing cartoons of Prophet Muhammad to be published, said Muhyiddin Junaidi, deputy chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulema (MUI), on Monday.


    “The MUI believes that Macron is indirectly supporting the Islamophobic movement,” Muhyiddin said, according to state news agency Antara News.


    Similarly, the Muslim Prosperous Justice Party (PKS) condemned Macron’s “attack” on Islam and the Muslim community.


    “We urge the foreign ministry to remind French authorities not to engage in Islamophobia and anti-Muslim rhetoric to appeal to Islamophobes,” said Toriq Hidayat, a PKS legislator, in a statement on the party’s website.


    Outcry in Asian Muslim Countries over ‘Islamophobia’ in France
    quite a long post but i say Fuck em.

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    Another beheading in Nice. :-(

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    Another beheading in Nice. :-(
    Are you kidding?

    As much as I hate to admit it that would not happen in the US.

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