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    Chinas shadow looms as New Caledonia decides whether to leave France

    The Pacific island of New Caledonia, home to 270,000 people, is slated to hold its second referendum on independence from France this weekend, amid bids for self-government in a region that has become a focus of geopolitical rivalry among the United States, China and Australia and has been late to the decolonisation process.


    The former penal colony, which is reliant on Paris for about US$1.5 billion in funding annually, has an agreement with France for up to three referendums – each held two years apart – on the question of independence. In the first poll in 2018, close to 57 per cent of voters chose to stay with France.


    New Caledonia gets most of the rest of its funding from the sale of nickel deposits to China, which is one of its strongest trading partners. In 2018, New Caledonia’s exports to China totalled US$1.06 billion, more than its combined exports to all other countries. The overseas territory also has one of the highest GDPs per capita in the Pacific region, at around US$38,270 in 2018.


    The cost of cutting ties with France would likely hit hard. Anti-independence leaders have used the economic aspect to sway voters, claiming that New Caledonia would become a “Chinese colony” if it gained independence.

    MORE China’s shadow looms as New Caledonia decides whether to leave France | South China Morning Post

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    The cost of cutting ties with France would likely hit hard. Anti-independence leaders have used the economic aspect to sway voters, claiming that New Caledonia would become a “Chinese colony” if it gained independence.
    And I'm sure the chinkies have been dangling lots of carrots to the independence movement.

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    Well it would make perfect sense

    they export to

    France 31 million
    China 1.99 billion

    they import from

    France 811 milion
    China 134 million

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    Yeah, so as soon as there is no French oversight, the chinkies will bribe top officials, move in, rape the fucking place clean and piss off.

    And they'll probably get them to borrow a few billion to build a fucking motorway to nowhere with chinky labour to put the chinky icing on the chinky cake.

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    I'd say the nickel deposits are making there nation rich,I doubt they need the Chinese money.

    but I'm sure the Chinese will make shrewd investments there as they do around the globe.

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    Chinese policy and people are really into islands right now. That big one in the south, Hainan, can't satisfy the appetite, so they're building some, claiming more, and working really hard on getting stronger influence over Hong Kong and Taiwan. New Caledonia would certainly be an exciting pearl in that string for China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Well it would make perfect sense
    Except it doesn't. You can't take just one indicator. France supplies defence, police, judiciary etc...

    The last referendum two years ago came in as 56% to stay with France, 44% to become independent.

    No reason to change, this way they have the best of two worlds.


    If you have ever been there, which I highly doubt, you'd see how French he place is

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Except it doesn't. You can't take just one indicator. France supplies defence, police, judiciary etc...

    The last referendum two years ago came in as 56% to stay with France, 44% to become independent.

    No reason to change, this way they have the best of two worlds.


    If you have ever been there, which I highly doubt, you'd see how French he place is
    Oh and no doubt you have been there.haha

    well it would be french and have french laws as its a colony

    so would you like to contribute to the discussion or are we just going to hear your normal diatribe. The world moves on and now its a Chinese dynasty get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Oh and no doubt you have been there.haha
    Yes. Several times. Does that stretch your mind too much, chico?



    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    well it would be french and have french laws as its a colony
    It's not a colony, you utter moron.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    so would you like to contribute to the discussion or are we just going to hear your normal diatribe.


    Sweet black baby Jesus, he's doing it again.




    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The world moves on and now its an Chinese dynasty get used to it.
    Please do write coherently if you wish to have a mature discussion, then try to make sense.

    What makes you believe that the world has only just now started moving on, that something is a 'Chinese dynasty get used to it' - whatever that means in chico-brain?

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    Oh dear you have been there several times no doubt with your diplomatic passport and don't know it was a french penal colony.

    it beggars belief.......

    french overseas territory is a colony you knob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Oh dear you have been there several times no doubt with your diplomatic passport and don't know it was a french penal colony.
    You utter moron . . . it IS not a colony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    its a colony
    Do you understand English? It IS not a colony, as you said it is.

    I don't have a dip passport, why should I? I am NOT a diplomat.


    Seriously, how dense are you? That's a rhetorical question.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    french overseas territory is a colony you knob
    It ISN'T.


    Fark me, you are so inconceivably dense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Well it would make perfect sense

    they export to

    France 31 million
    China 1.99 billion

    they import from

    France 811 milion
    China 134 million

    New Caledonia was a colony until just after world war 2 and was made a french overseas territory. Those figures you quote are a little misleading as it doesn't show direct financial assistance from France of over 1.5 billion or approx 15% of GDP. Much or all of this would be lost if N.C were to vote for full independence, making them even more reliant on China, which is about the last country in the world you should rely on, especially if you disagree with them in any way shape or form.
    Refer Australia.

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    Maybe they'd better vote Independence- or all of the Chinese shopkeepers might go on strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    New Caledonia was a colony until just after world war 2 and was made a french overseas territory. Those figures you quote are a little misleading as it doesn't show direct financial assistance from France of over 1.5 billion or approx 15% of GDP. Much or all of this would be lost if N.C were to vote for full independence
    I've tried explaining it to him . . . good luck.


    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Maybe they'd better vote Independence- or all of the Chinese shopkeepers might go on strike.
    Except it's not full of Chinese shopkeepers . . . immigration is quite strict, even from France to NC

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    Oh and don't forget the chinkies will nick all the fish as well, if they haven't already done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I'd say the nickel deposits are making there nation rich
    fantasist - lay out your knowledge of Goro

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    What are you waffling about now.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    What are you waffling about now.?
    He makes sense . . . you are a cretin who doesn't. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    What are you waffling about now.?
    Chico thinks you're talking about computer games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    to hold its second referendum on independence from France
    One wonders if New Caledonia is a sovereign country, why it's French Citizens are voting in a referendum for it's "independence" from France?

    It appears that the French have a legal claim:

    Politics of New Caledonia

    "An independence referendum was held in New Caledonia on 4 November 2018.[1][2] Voters were given the choice of remaining part of France or becoming an independent country"

    Since 1986, the United Nations Committee on Decolonization has included New Caledonia on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories.[7] The 1987 New Caledonia independence referendum, the first referendum on independence, was held the following year on 13 September 1987, but independence was rejected by a large majority, with 842 people (1.7%) voting for independence and 48,611 people (98.3%) voting to remain a part of France. Many pro-independence groups, such as the Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front (FLNKS), boycotted the vote.[8] The participation was 59.10%.

    The Matignon Agreements, signed on 26 June 1988 by Jean-Marie Tjibaou and Jacques Lafleur, set up a ten-year period of stability and made certain provisions for the Kanak population. The Nouméa Accord, signed 5 May 1998 by the French government and the main independence and anti-independence parties, set in motion a 20-year transition period that transferred certain powers to the local government and laid the groundwork for an independence referendum in 2018.[9]

    The Nouméa Accord stated a vote must take place by the end of 2018. On 2 November 2017, Édouard Philippe, the French Prime Minister, led a meeting to begin work on the referendum of independence, to be held by November 2018.[10] On 20 March 2018, it was announced that the independence referendum would be held on 4 November 2018.[11]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_Caledonian_independence_referendum

    "On the other hand, New Caledonia remains an integral part of the French Republic. Inhabitants of New Caledonia are French citizens and carry French passports. They take part in the legislative and presidential French elections. New Caledonia sends two representatives to the French National Assembly and two senators to the French Senate. The representative of the French central state in New Caledonia is the High Commissioner of the Republic (Haut-Commissaire de la République, locally known as "haussaire"), who is the head of civil services, and who sits in the government of the territory"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_New_Caledonia

    Note the use of the demeaning word "inhabitants" not citizens.

    Slightly higher than

    Chinas shadow looms as New Caledonia decides whether to leave France-220px-rhynochetos_jubatus-jpg

    a Kagu

    Chinas shadow looms as New Caledonia decides whether to leave France-1200px-baby_kangaroo_in_pouch-jpg


    a Kangaroo

    Chinas shadow looms as New Caledonia decides whether to leave France-170px-tetuatahianui-jpg

    or a Kiwi?

    One wonders whether France will lease the island to ameristan, a la the UK, with the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. The "inhabitants" could then be offered free $$$$$$, it seems to be the latest wheeze along with "inoculation", so they didn't have to work and are "cured". Just turn a Nelson to what happens to their homeland.

    Possibly the French Citizens will remember how ameristan abused other Pacific Islands for various "experiments" previously.

    Or look over at how Australia and New Zealand still have a Governor General, answerable to their Queen, Elizabeth II, who has "Reserved Powers". Which historically have been used to remove politicians, based on Her Majesty's Foreign Office "advice".

    New Zealand

    "Elizabeth II is the queen of New Zealand[71] and thus the head of state.[72] The queen is represented by the governor-general, whom she appoints on the advice of the prime minister.[73] The governor-general can exercise the Crown's prerogative powers, such as reviewing cases of injustice and making appointments of ministers, ambassadors and other key public officials,[74] and in rare situations, the reserve powers (e.g. the power to dissolve parliament or refuse the royal assent of a bill into law).[75]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand#Government_and_politics


    I'm sure the Chinese have similar "laws" which allow such actions, somewhere in their domain.
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    The chinkies have probably funded an independence movement, you daft c u n t.

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    Wow, sabang . . . you claim that NC is full of Chinese shopkeepers to which I replied it isn't . . . having visited there just this January past and several previous times. (Aside from my Club Med stint while at Uni) and you prove your assertion by listing Chinese restaurants?

    That's quite pathetic, even for you.


    Using your logic, New Caledonia belongs to Italy

    The 10 Best Italian Restaurants in New Caledonia - Tripadvisor



    or Japan

    5 Best Japanese Restaurants in New Caledonia - Tripadvisor


    or France even

    The 10 Best French Restaurants for Families in Noumea

    or . . . etc . . .


    As long as you want to make OhOh feel better, go for it

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    As is usual, the chinkies are up to no good. We all know that "Belt and Owed" means them bribing foreign officials into borrowing money from them at extortionate rates, to pay the chinkies to build infrastructure they don't need with chinky labour and chinky materials, leaving them with mountains of debt to Chinastan and white elephants they never needed in the first place. Which the chinkies then exchange for mineral rights, fishing rights etc.

    Known as "Debt Diplomacy" or more realistically "blackmail".

    A report this week by the British-based global risk assessment company, Oxford Analytica, says China has four objectives in extending its reach into the South Pacific.

    One is to extend its security perimeter into a region hitherto the preserve of the US and its allies and to create a buffer between China and its neighbors.

    The second is to press forward with its diplomatic contest with Taiwan. Of the 17 countries worldwide that still have full diplomatic relations with Taiwan and none with Beijing, six of them are Pacific Island states – the Solomon Islands, Palau, Nauru, Kiribati, Tuvalu and the Marshall Islands.

    Beijing’s third objective is to gain access to the natural resources of the South Pacific and its islands, especially fish and timber. China is already the largest trading partner for most of the islands and has about $30 billion invested among them.

    The fourth objective is to draw the South Pacific nations into Beijing’s Belt and Road Initiative by selling them infrastructure, especially port facilities to benefit Chinese commerce and the long-range deployment of its navy.
    China targeting Pacific isles for strategic bases - Asia Times

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    ^^ Erm, no. Do you have anxiety issues? Chill.

    But French wine with a Chinese meal- tres bon!

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