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    Online Alcohol Sales Ban Announced

    The Royal Gazette announced yesterday, 8th September that online alcohol sales via websites, social media and other electronic channels will be prohibited.


    The announcement, signed by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, stated that due to the popularity of e-commerce, some entrepreneurs opted to sell alcoholic beverages via electronic channels, making it difficult to control the date, time, venue and target groups buying alcohol to be in compliance with the legal limit as stated in the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act BE 2551.

    After getting advice from the National Alcoholic Beverage Policy Committee, the Prime Minister announced that sales or “other actions” related to the selling of alcoholic beverages via electronic channels will be prohibited.


    This includes direct selling, persuading, introducing the product or related services via electronic channels that enable sellers and consumers to complete a sale without physically meeting.


    This prohibition does not include the selling and paying for alcoholic beverages via electronic methods at bars, shops, restaurants or establishments that serve alcohol.


    The ban will take effect within 90 days of it being announced in the Royal Gazette.

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    Absolutely fucking witless aren't they?


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    if all the sponsors of sport ect.pulled out of supporting,football,badminton,volley ball ect,that might teach um.

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    Utterly fucking stupid (and corrupt, as usual). Online companies like Wishbeer, etc are the only agents selling decent beers, wines, etc here at good prices.

    Obvious 'gimme' to the Thai Govt's billionaire piss-peddler friends, like Thai Bev, Thai Alcohol PLC etc. Cnuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Utterly fucking stupid (and corrupt, as usual). Online companies like Wishbeer, etc are the only agents selling decent beers, wines, etc here at good prices.

    Obvious 'gimme' to the Thai Govt's billionaire piss-peddler friends, like Thai Bev, Thai Alcohol PLC etc. Cnuts.
    As if those people were not rich enough already.

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    Not even Villa Market who has a great selection of liquor online. I got my last bottle of Patron delivered in two hours.. The excuse of kids can buy it is laughable. First we have the no alcohol from From 2 to 5 pm to keep it out of the hands of children and now this. I wonder how the rest of the world gets by asking an alcohol purchaser to show ID. Its just not an option here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headhunter View Post
    if all the sponsors of sport ect.pulled out of supporting,football,badminton,volley ball ect,that might teach um.
    Yeah, the people who come up with these bans will be on their knees, eh?


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    This is quite annoying. It was quite nice to throw in a bottle of wine with my regular online Tops order.

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    Controversial ban on online sales of booze to come into effect amid cries from businesses


    The controversial ban on online sales of alcoholic products is imminent as the law will come into effect next Monday.


    Entrepreneurs, businesses and activists in the field have been campaigning against it for the past three months since the Royal Gazette published the announcement of the ban on September 8. But their efforts are now next to futile.


    Starting December 7, direct selling and attempts to promote alcoholic drinks online will be prohibited. Those who violate this could be fined up to 10,000 baht or face up to six months of imprisonment.


    Anutin Charnvirakul, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister, said in November that the national committee on alcoholic drinks will introduce guidelines on the law for businesses once it comes into effect.


    However, the efforts to first halt and then revise the law is already ongoing as many experts, entrepreneurs, businesses and activists have all deemed the law to be vague, unnecessary, and unfair.


    They also believe that the law will eventually kill out small players who are already working on their back foot against large corporates that already have a strong grip on the entire alcoholic beverage market.


    Vague and unnecessary


    Thaopipob Limjittakorn, a Move Forward Party’s MP for Bangkok and a beer activist, told Thai Enquirer on Thursday that the government’s efforts to listen to the complaints from businesses is just for show, and nothing more.


    He also said that the law is so vague that up until now, the regulators could still not properly explain it to businesses on what it meant and how they will enforce it.


    “The Office of the Consumer Protection Board couldn’t even explain what they meant by ‘electronic’ or ‘online selling’,” he said.


    The law that was published on the Royal Gazette prohibits the direct sales and the promotion of alcoholic drinks via “electronic devices” or “related services”.


    Thaopipob said businesses are concerned that the vagueness of this law will be similar to Section 32 of the 2008 Alcoholic Beverage Control Act.


    According to the section, it is an advertisement of an alcoholic beverage, or merely an expression to the name or sign of such beverage in a manner directly or indirectly encouraging another to consume an alcoholic beverage.


    “Businesses are concerned because they do not clearly understand how the law will be interpreted and which actions would be considered wrongdoings,” he said.


    “For example, can someone send a catalogue of alcoholic products they have via an email to a retail store to choose, would that be considered illegal? Can someone who sells alcohol use LINE Call to talk to their clients, would that be considered as using electronic device to sell?” he added.


    He said if the law is to be broadly interpreted these actions that were mentioned would be considered illegal.


    Thaopipob also said that the new law is also repetitive given that it is very similar to Section 32 and other rules within the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act which are already being used to protect youth from alcohol.


    “Even if the new law does not exist, it will not affect the ongoing efforts to protect youth from the consequences of alcohol related problems,” he said.


    Thaopipob was referring to the government’s reasoning that the new law would prevent youth from acquiring alcohol online without any requirements to see their identification.


    According to the Thai law, sales of alcoholic drinks to people under 20 is prohibited.


    Thaopipob said his party is willing to consider any ongoing efforts from the people to revise the new law on the online selling of alcohol.


    Prapawee “Bamhee” Haemathat, a coordinator and speaker for the Thai Alcohol Beverage Community, a network of 200-300 businesses that are related to alcoholic drinks producers and distributors, told Thai Enquirer that the regulators still have little clue how they will implement the new law.


    “They cannot answer at least 70 per cent of our questions,” she said, while referring to the public hearing that was set up by regulators to listen to business concerns over the new law on Thursday.


    One of the concerns businesses have is they will no longer be able to communicate with their clients via social media as the new law states that they cannot sell their products online to any individuals unless it is a retail business.


    “How would we know whether they are going to resell these products or not?” she asked.


    “Looking at the amount alone would not help, since there are some people who would buy one or two expensive alcoholic drinks to keep before reselling it later. How would we know if they are the consumers or not? The regulators also cannot answer that,” she added.


    Prapawee said the her group along with the Liberate Thai Alcohol pressure group that has been campaigning at rallies conducted by the student-led pro-democracy movement, Ratsadon, have already gathered more than 10,000 signatures in bid to revise the new law.


    “First, we are still trying to use legal means to ask for the Office of the Alcohol Control Committee to halt the law from coming into effect,” she said.


    “Second, we are going to propose for the amendment of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act to eventually get rid of the new law on the online selling of alcohol,” she added.

    Jerome Le Louer, founder and CEO of Wishbeer, a popular startup beer store, told Thai Enquirer that since their website is registered abroad, they are still unsure how the ban on online selling alcohol in Thailand will affect them.


    “Hopefully, they are going to provide more information of what can be done and what cannot be done because if the law comes into effect, most of the selling means will become illegal and it would create a lot of questions,” he said.


    “The law is very broad on what is included or excluded. For example, on the business to business side, can we call importers to order and would that be considered as electronic?” he added.


    He said the law that came out was only one page long and it does not say much where initial interpretation means that everything could become illegal, unless a postcard was used to make an order.


    “It would be very hard to do business when the law is unclear,” he said.


    Unfair


    Not only that it will be much harder to do business, the law could potentially shrink the alcoholic drinks market as well, Jerome said.


    “All the small companies will no longer have any distribution channels anymore, which makes it even harder for them to compete with the larger companies that are already monopolizing the market,” he said.


    “The online channel is basically the only channel for small players to affordably introduce their products and sell,” he added. “If all of this becomes forbidden, it will severely limit the actions that small players could take, and that is unfair.”


    He said the law will only provide benefits for large businesses to continue to control the market and that it would lower the choices for consumers at the same time.


    Jerome said the online selling of alcohol in Thailand only accounted one per cent of the entire alcoholic drinks market, which makes it even harder to understand why the law is needed.


    Tanthong Tumwattana, a craft beer distributor, told Thai Enquirer the shutting down of the online selling channel will certainly affect craft beer producers and distributors in Thailand because it is the only channel they are using to communicate with their clients at the moment.


    “This is a niche and premium market as craft beers are not cheap that could cost anywhere between 80 baht to more than 1,000 baht per bottle,” he said.


    “The regulators said the law is meant to protect the youth, but the youth that buy these products will need to have a sizable income to regularly order these kind of expensive products online,” he added.


    Tanthong said there are technologies that can effectively be used to check for ID before selling the products so the law is mostly “unfair” for small businesses.


    He added that with the existent of the Section 32 and the law prohibiting the selling of alcohol to people aged under 20, the new law on online selling of alcoholic drinks is effectively, “unnecessary”.


    “Wouldn’t it be more beneficial to try and stop papa-mama shops from illegally selling alcohol to youth than to come after us?” he asked.


    There are currently 40 types of craft beers available in Thailand, but this availability would be limited even further when the law comes into effect.


    “Small businesses already do not have the capital to compete at the same level in terms of advertisement and distribution channels. It almost seems like the government wants to kill off all the small players in this business,” Tanthong concluded.


    Controversial ban on online sales of booze to come into effect amid cries from businesses - Thai Enquirer

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    I wonder how the rest of the world gets by asking an alcohol purchaser to show ID. Its just not an option here.
    There are at least two Muslim countries I know of in the Middle East where I can purchase online.

    Thailand is embarrassing.

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    What R soles! People will die because of this decision. Piss heads who now have to ride down to a liquor store to buy booze are not going to be in the best condition to ride, some will make mistakes and some will die because of it. Actually R soles is to good a standard for these shitbag bought and paid for government monkeys.

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    Seems no one ever thinks of the disabled in Thailand.

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    Thankyou very crutch.

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    Will be interesting to see what happens with this when it comes to a number of Pattaya bars. What's that got to do with online alcohol sales you may ask, the answer is plenty! What many of them are doing (I think almost every bar on Soi 6 for starters) is setting up a webcam computer in the bar and punters all over the world are logging on to watch the girls dance and flirt and carry on in front of the camera while they type comments to each other. There's even some enterprising chap who's clued up on IT and Cams who'll set this up for the bars, for a fee. So then, these desperado's around the globe are using PayPal to ring the bell in the bar or buy individual girls a drink. Sad as fuck but I've heard some bars are cleaning up on this rort, which is clearly online alcohol sales and the only way they can stay open in these times. I can see some anonymous tip-offs coming soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Seems no one ever thinks of the disabled in Thailand.

    Why cant the disable person ask their helper/carer to pop up to the 7/11 and buy a new bottle 40 Degree ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Will be interesting to see what happens with this when it comes to a number of Pattaya bars. What's that got to do with online alcohol sales you may ask, the answer is plenty! What many of them are doing (I think almost every bar on Soi 6 for starters) is setting up a webcam computer in the bar and punters all over the world are logging on to watch the girls dance and flirt and carry on in front of the camera while they type comments to each other. There's even some enterprising chap who's clued up on IT and Cams who'll set this up for the bars, for a fee. So then, these desperado's around the globe are using PayPal to ring the bell in the bar or buy individual girls a drink. Sad as fuck but I've heard some bars are cleaning up on this rort, which is clearly online alcohol sales and the only way they can stay open in these times. I can see some anonymous tip-offs coming soon...
    I reckon its exactly that that is driving this new law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Why cant the disable person ask their helper/carer to pop up to the 7/11 and buy a new bottle 40 Degree ?
    She's too busy sat on HW's face

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Will be interesting to see what happens with this when it comes to a number of Pattaya bars. What's that got to do with online alcohol sales you may ask, the answer is plenty! What many of them are doing (I think almost every bar on Soi 6 for starters) is setting up a webcam computer in the bar and punters all over the world are logging on to watch the girls dance and flirt and carry on in front of the camera while they type comments to each other. There's even some enterprising chap who's clued up on IT and Cams who'll set this up for the bars, for a fee. So then, these desperado's around the globe are using PayPal to ring the bell in the bar or buy individual girls a drink. Sad as fuck but I've heard some bars are cleaning up on this rort, which is clearly online alcohol sales and the only way they can stay open in these times. I can see some anonymous tip-offs coming soon...
    Blimey the FL bar on Walking Street had this years ago.

    Have they only just cottoned on?

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    ^Yes I remember the FLB days and Pete steaming parties and such. But real customers were his business model, not like these joints now where walk-in customers are hindering business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Utterly fucking stupid (and corrupt, as usual). Online companies like Wishbeer, etc are the only agents selling decent beers, wines, etc here at good prices.

    Obvious 'gimme' to the Thai Govt's billionaire piss-peddler friends, like Thai Bev, Thai Alcohol PLC etc. Cnuts.

    They tend to place such knee-jerk policies without much forethought.
    Surely, would be a win-win for the govt and mafias to allow the market to be, as the control and tax the hell outta everything anyway.

    I do have to wonder sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headworx View Post
    Will be interesting to see what happens with this when it comes to a number of Pattaya bars. What's that got to do with online alcohol sales you may ask, the answer is plenty! What many of them are doing (I think almost every bar on Soi 6 for starters) is setting up a webcam computer in the bar and punters all over the world are logging on to watch the girls dance and flirt and carry on in front of the camera while they type comments to each other. There's even some enterprising chap who's clued up on IT and Cams who'll set this up for the bars, for a fee. So then, these desperado's around the globe are using PayPal to ring the bell in the bar or buy individual girls a drink. Sad as fuck but I've heard some bars are cleaning up on this rort, which is clearly online alcohol sales and the only way they can stay open in these times. I can see some anonymous tip-offs coming soon...
    Link please...for a desperado friend of mine.

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    I just read that you can still browse their websites and then phone in your order instead of doing it online.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Link please...for a desperado friend of mine.
    If you look at the Facebook sites of pretty much any bar on Soi 6, your friend will find what he's looking for. There's bars all over town doing it though.
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