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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I have a problem with having people lie down for me while I walk over their backs to prevent me from muddying my shoes. It's not a question of western baggage, but obvious human decency, which some people clearly do not possess.
    these were school children, some ‘traditions’ do not need to be honoured. I’ve spent time in Kiribati and attended welcoming ceremonies & weddings but never saw this, usually loads of song and dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm sure the chinkies are rather happy that poor people will stoop to almost anything to get their hands on the filthy lucre.

    That way they know the bribes will work.

    I expect Kiribate will have a new 6 lane motorway paid built by chinky labour with chinky materials using money borrowed from the chinkies at extortionate rates.

    It's not called "Belt and Owed" for nothing.

    And since Kiribati will be underwater soon enough, partly because of all that chinky coal, it will be a waste of money.
    the capital island, Betio, is approximately the size of an Aussie football field; then the atoll continues around for 4 or 6 kilometers with one road, room enough for 2 lanes only with perhaps a few meters either side is water.

    no need nor room for a 6 lane highway; but a new port, and this dream idea of lifting the entire nation up and out of the ocean is the bait.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    ^^^^ FOJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    oh, staying on topic
    The topic is not China bashing or poster bashing. Try and move on, all are aware of your idiosyncrasies.

    The topic is whether foreign diplomats should or should not follow a countries "traditions". The traditions may or may not be to the foreigners tastes but are expected to be followed. Presuming others also follow foreign traditions when visiting foreign countries. Which I suspect is many, but there are a few "exceptions" who do not. They are usually slandered and forced to resign.

    As I read here on TD that you are from a "diplomatic" family, I would suspect your family followed foreign "traditions" when working and living in foreign countries. Yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    The Queen giving away money is the same as walking on people?
    It is a tradition in the UK. Which some may or may not find acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    So it's a Kiribati tradition the Chinese ambassador was following?
    Allegedly so. As a visitor from a foreign country respect the the countries traditions is a given. Whether the person/diplomat agrees with them is of no interest, they follow advice given to them by the visited countries representatives.

    Possibly

    Picture of Chinese ambassador walking on backs of Kiribati locals sparks controversy-phat-jpg

    can advise us, having knowledge of such "situations".

    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Will you restore my body to its original condition
    My technique follows WHO guidelines. Allegedly, an effectiveness of 50 + % and lasting a minimum of 6 months, is the norm.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    do the diplomatic thing and say "thanks, but no thanks," don't you?
    Or at least most people with a shred of decency would anyway.
    Diplomats with a shred of decency, now there's a conundrum. 007 is one example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    I'm sure as hell glad we are all not the same and follow some single way of life
    Times are a changing.

    "My way or the highway" is taking over in many countries. Where it's citizens are no longer allowed to question "big brother" for fear of exclusion or worse, media expulsion. Belief in or not deciding, for oneself, is no longer tolerated.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I have a problem with having people ....
    Most of us do not normally face foreign protocols, which one is forced to submit too/may find distasteful, on a daily basis. Diplomats, I would suggest, are forced to face them more often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    they'd rather be anywhere else than China
    I believe they are called Ambassadors. Some yearn for such opportunities, that is until they are informed and tell their wife, which country they are being posted too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    I have a problem with having people lie down for me while I walk over their backs to prevent me from muddying my shoes
    Unfortunately many "civilised" people do far worse acts on foreigners than "walk on their backs" for a moment. Believing any act is acceptable, if they consider it, "worth it".

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    that poor people will stoop to almost anything
    Hey, the Maunder Money is profitable, but the real "honour" is bowing and scraping before one's "monarch".

    The taking of selfie's and posting them on ones media site of choice. Hence one receives more "likes" or as they are here on TD,
    "reputation" ****.

    The "hard" working diplomats grin and bear it. Some are "awarded" for "services rendered", metal trinkets with colourful ribbons, to pin to their jackets. The number of trinkets indicates their "worth" and pension award.

    Last edited by OhOh; 19-08-2020 at 11:15 PM.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    "My way or the highway" is taking over in many countries, where it's citizens are no longer allowed to question "big brother" for fear of exclusion or worse.

    Believe it or not thinking for oneself is no longer tolerated.

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    Oh the irony!


    Unfortunately, that's life in China and Russia where merely having an opinion will likely see the "exclusion or worse" happening. I dont see this changing any time soon though, which I'm sure you'll be happy about.

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    Obviously, there is a truth in the statement of the Canadian scientist (post #11), quite diplomatically expressed:

    What's the responsibility countries like Canada, Australia, U.K. and the U.S?

    They've always had a reasonably long and enduring relationship with the small island nations of the Pacific and, indeed, have contributed a lot of aid funding to support these countries. So I think there is a responsibility to maintain that level of support, despite the fact that there are other actors who are interested in being involved in the community.
    But at the and of the day, after years, nothing much has come up, and the sea level has not stopped coming...
    So, "there are other actors" where they are now expecting more from:
    China has offered financial assistance for the project, but will likely want some things in return

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Unfortunately, that's life in
    You are assuming the two you name have had "freedom" in the past or desire it now.

    Some world citizens would be happy with a warm bed and a bowl of porridge, others want bicycles, others a new house, others a two week holiday a year, others a black credit card, others a PA to sooth the fevered brow, others to be acclaimed as a saviour ....

    Which are you?

    For many countries of the world, the spectre is just becoming more visible. Possibly of course your own is an "exceptional" one.

    No social system can ultimately ignore it's citizens, it is overthrown. Many countries have undergone multiple "updates". Others are facing the new world of change for the first time. The trick is to let the citizens stupefy with colourful trinkets and potions, the "monarchs" are more amused.

    Last edited by OhOh; 19-08-2020 at 11:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Unfortunately, that's life in China and Russia
    That's the usual ignorant view without knowing few facts about their life.

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    Waffle, obfuscate, waffle, nonsense. Rinse and repeat from our ridiculous Chuckle Brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKW View Post
    the capital island, Betio, is approximately the size of an Aussie football field; then the atoll continues around for 4 or 6 kilometers with one road, room enough for 2 lanes only with perhaps a few meters either side is water.

    no need nor room for a 6 lane highway; but a new port, and this dream idea of lifting the entire nation up and out of the ocean is the bait.
    The chinkies won't care, they'll build anything that makes them money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The topic is not China bashing or poster bashing.
    No. The topic is why some obnoxious chinky would revel in the humiliation of some foreigners his country is only interested in exploiting.

    They should watch out for their fish stocks too, the chinkies will have them in a heartbeat.

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    Either way, you just do the diplomatic thing and say "thanks, but no thanks," don't you?

    Or at least most people with a shred of decency would anyway.
    And insult your Hosts? Good old lizzie had to eat sheeps eyeballs once, for fear of offending her bedouin(?) hosts. I ate cat, snake & chicken soup in China once, and saw the bloody cat killed & skinned too. Same reason.

    All a bit of a storm in a teacup I'm afraid. Nice bit of imagery though.
    Last edited by sabang; 20-08-2020 at 05:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Same reason.
    You were an ambassador?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    It seems he did the diplomatic thing
    I tend to disagree with you for a change. Diplomacy also means not placing visitors at discomfort, not expecting them to do what they would not ordinarily do or what is against their own customs.
    Serving pork at a function involving Jews or Muslims, beef at a function involving Hindus, walking on the backs of children . . . at any function involving ANYONE . . . except for Chinese, it seems.

    Diplomacy is a two-way street and you know that any visit elsewhere by a Kiribati notable wouldn't involve eating eels or other things not deemed acceptable by them. That's what research is for unless some Kiribati in charge of protocol simply forgot to google 'is it all right for Communist Chinese to trample on children'

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The chinkies won't care, they'll build anything that makes them money.
    Why they are not as other superpower that makes any possible generous help without caring about own profit and interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Why they are not as other superpower
    Because they happy being a communist dictatorship. Asked and answered

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    Kiribati. Gained independence from UK . Now wishes to be a colony of China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I have a problem with having people lie down for me while I walk over their backs to prevent me from muddying my shoes. It's not a question of western baggage, but obvious human decency, which some people clearly do not possess.
    Oh of course. So what's your suggestion ? Genocide ?

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    No matter what , the US empire babies can spin any story to condemn the savage chinks for X, Y or Z. There should just be a genocide China thread where they can design the gas chambers instead of shitting all over the forum , with their faux outrage spin stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Kiribati. Gained independence from UK . Now wishes to be a colony of China?
    Who needs nowadays colonies? It's enough to have a friends.
    As e.g. in Haiti, Dom.Rep., then they can vote in UN as "they want", awaiting a "help" for their "long and enduring relationship", dreaming that at last they can grow up to a level of e.g. Cuba afflicted with 60 years of sanctions/blockades...

    What's the responsibility countries like Canada, Australia, U.K. and the U.S?

    They've always had a reasonably long and enduring relationship with the small island nations of the Pacific and, indeed, have contributed a lot of aid funding to support these countries.

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    Chinese folk already pretty much run the commerce in most Pacific island nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Chinese folk already pretty much run the commerce in most Pacific island nations.
    It's quite amazing. Even in Tonga, the two corner shops near our factory are owned and run by two families from Xian and Shanghai. We always wonder why they would come all the way to the middle of nowhere to buy out owners of a corner shop . . . and how did they get in in the first place and why? Certainly not for financial reasons.
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    It's a long and slow game, wouldn't surprise me if they're subsidised or family receive concessions back home by the CPC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    It's a long and slow game, wouldn't surprise me if they're subsidised or family receive concessions back home by the CPC.
    Yes, they are probably reporting back to the chinky spooks every night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes, they are probably reporting back to the chinky spooks every night.
    Of course using the backdoor of Huawei...

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