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    Philippine, Malaysian Top Diplomats Trade Angry Words over Sabah

    The Philippines and next-door neighbor Malaysia are engaged in a diplomatic spat, with tit-for-tat verbal sparring and the summoning of ambassadors, after Manila’s foreign secretary revived old claims that the Malaysian state of Sabah is part of Philippine territory.


    On Thursday, Philippine Foreign Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. said he had summoned Malaysia’s envoy here after Kuala Lumpur’s foreign minister criticized Manila’s top diplomat over his earlier statement regarding Filipino territorial claims to Sabah, a region in Malaysian Borneo that lies close to the Sulu Islands in the southern Philippines. The issue has been a longtime thorn in bilateral relations.


    “No country can tell another what it can and cannot say about what the latter regards as rightfully its own,” Locsin said in his latest verbal salvo.


    He emphasized that, just as the Philippines does in asserting its ownership rights in its territorial dispute with China in the South China Sea, it would do the same with Philippine claims in Sabah.


    “It is free to say what it wants while we say and do what needs doing. That holds for Sabah,” Locsin, who is known for his blunt messages posted on social media, said via Twitter.


    “And that’s China we’re talking about – the second biggest economy and military power in the 21st century. I am summoning the Malaysian ambassador,” he added.


    The controversy erupted earlier this week after Locsin expressed his displeasure on social media about a statement circulated on Twitter by the U.S. Embassy that referred to Sabah as part of Malaysia. The Philippines maintains a historical claim over Sabah, which Malaysia incorporated in the 1960s, although Kuala Lumpur still pays a token rent to the heirs of the sultanate of Sulu.


    “Sabah is not in Malaysia if you want to have anything to do with the Philippines,” Locsin said on Monday.


    The American Embassy did not immediately respond when BenarNews contacted for comment.


    Locsin’s first message prompted his Malaysian counterpart, Hishammuddin Hussein, to fire back by saying he would summon the Philippine ambassador to Kuala Lumpur over Locsin’s comments.


    “This is an irresponsible statement that affects bilateral ties,” Hishammuddin said Wednesday in a tweet. [The Ministry of Foreign Affairs] will summon the Philippine Ambassador on Monday to explain. Sabah is, and will always be, part of Malaysia.”


    On Thursday, Philippine presidential spokesman Harry Roque waded into the issue as he sought to calm frayed nerves. He stressed that Sabah had long been acknowledged by the government as part of the Philippines.


    “We recognize that this matter should not affect our own ongoing bilateral ties with Malaysia,” he said. “It has not affected it in the recent years, and we will continue to have healthy bilateral relations with Malaysia despite the issue of Sabah.”


    2013 violence


    Sabah has always been a point of contention between the two neighbors.


    Seven years ago, some 200 armed militants from the southern Philippines, who called themselves members of the “Royal Sulu Army” and claimed to be followers of Jamalul Kiram III, the self-proclaimed rightful heir of the sultan of Sulu, assembled a flotilla and sailed to Sabah in a failed bid to retake the territory.


    His men hunkered in a village in Lahad Datu, and engaged Malaysian authorities in gunbattles that lasted weeks and left more than 50 militants and some 10 Malaysian police dead.


    The gunmen demanded that Malaysia recognize them as representatives of the Sulu Sultanate, which used to rule Sabah.


    Founded in 1405, the Sultanate of Sulu ruled the islands in the Sulu Archipelago, parts of Mindanao in the southern Philippines and parts of Borneo, including Sabah, until about the early 1800s. Sabah was incorporated into Malaysia in 1963, but the country still pays token rent to the Sulu Sultanate on an annual basis.


    Many Filipinos migrated to Sabah during the 1970s to escape from armed conflict between government forces and secessionist guerrillas in the southern Philippines.


    More than 800,000 people of Filipino ancestry still live in Sabah, whose population is more than 3.5 million.

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    Well they see the chinkies taking the piss so what else are they going to do?

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    Even the ethnic filipinos in Sabah don't want Sabah to return to Flipland . . .

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    ^can't blame them. They have jobs in Sabah, which they won't have in PI.

    There were political issues raised in late 2012/ early 2013 re: ownership of Sabah. Historically, it belongs to the sultanate of Sulu. As the OP has stated, the Malaysians are paying "rent" on it.

    In my history classes, it was always mentioned that Sabah belongs to Sulu. My friends and I were surprised that when we visited the Borneo Museum in Kota Kinabalu, there was very little mention of that - I think it was just a short sentence.

    That visit was made in May 2013 - I remember that my friends and I were a bit anxious about the visit & our safety due to the politics at that time. However, when we arrived in KK, there was no sign of unrest. We saw lots of Filipino migrant workers, both in KK and in Brunei. Even the staff in our hostel were Filipinos (mostly from Visayas or Mindanao - they spoke the Cebuano dialect). I made a pic thread about that trip - it's one of my earlier ones.

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    How d'ya spell whistlin' dixie? Impotent, bellicose rants such as we've gotten used to hearing from the likes of duterte, trump, erdogan, gen galtieri etc normally indicate problems at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    Historically, it belongs to the sultanate of Sulu.
    Actually, it was part of the sultanate of Sulu for a time. Historically it was nothing, Sulu, independent, British, Bruneian etc..

    It's like saying the Philippines belongs to Spain because they ruled it for roughly 350 years. It's as ridiculous as China claiming the SCSea because of a map.

    The Sultan of Brunei gave the land to the Sulu Sultanate - did he have a right to? Some say no. The Sulu Sultanate entered into a contract freely to 'sell/lease' (depending on the definition) in perpetuity. 2020 is NOT the end of perpetuity.

    It is now 2020. Sabahans don't want to be part of the PIs and perhaps the government in Manila should sort out their issues wiht te Sulu and the Muslim claims in Mindanao and . . . the focus elsewhere as it is simple politicking by the deranged Duterte

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    How d'ya spell whistlin' dixie? Impotent, bellicose rants such as we've gotten used to hearing from the likes of duterte, trump, erdogan, gen galtieri etc normally indicate problems at home.
    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    as it is simple politicking by the deranged Duterte
    Yep, blatantly so. Yet domestic audiences no longer seem to grasp this subtly anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Philippines belongs to Spain because they ruled it for roughly 350 years. It's as ridiculous as China claiming the SCSea because of a map.
    I doubt many educated people, from a diplomatic family or otherwise, would agree with you.

    I believe Spain signed a internationally recognised agreement with ameristan.

    Ah yes:

    Treaty of Paris (1898)


    "The Treaty of Paris of 1898 (Filipino: Kasunduan sa Paris ng 1898; Spanish: Tratado de París de 1898) was a treaty signed by Spain and the United States on December 10, 1898, that ended the Spanish–American War. Under it, Spain relinquished all claim of sovereignty over and title to Cuba and also ceded Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines to the United States. The cession of the Philippines involved a compensation of $20 million from the United States to Spain.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1898)

    China has the "required papers", along with numerous international agreements, as previously posted on a more appropriate thread."
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    Oh dear.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Impotent, bellicose rants such as we've gotten used to hearing from the likes of duterte, trump, erdogan, gen galtieri etc normally indicate problems at home.
    Possibly this is one way his efforts assist the Philippine citizens:

    China vows to prioritize Philippines' request for vaccine access

    Updated 10:30, 30-Jul-2020

    "China will first consider the Philippines' request for access to successful coronavirus vaccines, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said in a daily briefing on Tuesday.

    "Since the COVID-19 outbreak, China and the Philippines have been helping and supporting each other in the efforts to fight the pandemic, attesting to the mutual cooperation that has brought out a new highlight in bilateral relations," said Wang. "We are willing to give priority to the vaccine request made by China's friendly neighbor the Philippines."

    In an annual address to his country on Monday, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said he has asked China for help in securing the supply of coronavirus vaccines.

    "I made a plea to Chinese President Xi Jinping that if they have the vaccine, can they allow us to be one of the first? Or if it is needed, if we have to buy it, that we will be granted credit so that we will normalize as fast as possible," said Duterte on Monday. He also said that his government's coronavirus response is far from perfect.

    Apart from stating his will to seek China's help for vaccines, Duterte also reiterated his country's position on the South China Sea.

    He said the Philippines will not stand against China on South China Sea issues, stating that the country will not pick a side between China and the U.S. Duterte has refused the U.S.'s request to use the military base in the Philippines.

    Wang, in Tuesday's regular briefing, hailed Duterte's remarks, adding that the claim made by Duterte serves the interests of the Philippines and is also beneficial to regional peace and stability.

    China agrees to handle the issue properly and is ready to contribute to regional peace and stability with the Philippines and other countries in the region, added Wang."


    China vows to prioritize Philippines' request for vaccine access - CGTN

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    ...the Phil argument is nonsense: every place used to belong to someone else before its current occupants...governments may claim whatever territory they like, but historical holdings are no guide to the future acquisition or return of territory...such arguments are distractions from national problems elsewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I doubt many educated people, from a diplomatic family or otherwise, would agree with you.
    What is in agreement is that you're simply too thick to understand that . . . ah, never mind. Wasted space.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...the Phil argument is nonsense: every place used to belong to someone else before its current occupants...governments may claim whatever territory they like, but historical holdings are no guide to the future acquisition or return of territory...such arguments are distractions from national problems elsewhere...
    Explain that to OhOh

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Explain that to OhOh
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    Malaysia has stopped paying rent.......... what landlord would not want the tenant out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKKBanger View Post
    Malaysia has stopped paying rent......... what landlord would not want the tenant out?
    Sabah is Malaysian territory, so the landlord are Malaysia and the Sabahans.

    Stopping the payments asserts Malaysia’s sovereignty. Hishammuddin says the country does not recognise or entertain any claim by any party over Sabah, as the state is recognised as a part of Malaysia by the United Nations (UN) as well as the international community.
    Malaysia Has Been Paying Sulu Sultanate Every Year Over Sabah, But Not Anymore | TRP

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Possibly this is one way his efforts assist the Philippine citizens:China vows to prioritize Philippines' request for vaccine accessUpdated 10:30, 30-Jul-2020 "China will first consider the Philippines' request for access to successful coronavirus vaccines, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said in a daily briefing on Tuesday. "Since the COVID-19 outbreak, China and the Philippines have been helping and supporting each other in the efforts to fight the pandemic, attesting to the mutual cooperation that has brought out a new highlight in bilateral relations," said Wang. "We are willing to give priority to the vaccine request made by China's friendly neighbor the Philippines."In an annual address to his country on Monday, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said he has asked China for help in securing the supply of coronavirus vaccines."I made a plea to Chinese President Xi Jinping that if they have the vaccine, can they allow us to be one of the first? Or if it is needed, if we have to buy it, that we will be granted credit so that we will normalize as fast as possible," said Duterte on Monday. He also said that his government's coronavirus response is far from perfect.Apart from stating his will to seek China's help for vaccines, Duterte also reiterated his country's position on the South China Sea.He said the Philippines will not stand against China on South China Sea issues, stating that the country will not pick a side between China and the U.S. Duterte has refused the U.S.'s request to use the military base in the Philippines.Wang, in Tuesday's regular briefing, hailed Duterte's remarks, adding that the claim made by Duterte serves the interests of the Philippines and is also beneficial to regional peace and stability.China agrees to handle the issue properly and is ready to contribute to regional peace and stability with the Philippines and other countries in the region, added Wang."China vows to prioritize Philippines' request for vaccine access - CGTN
    No, thanks. We are not laboratory rats!

    For some reason, I have a hard time trusting men who rely on sea creatures to make their penis functional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GracelessFawn View Post
    men who rely on sea creatures to make their penis functional.
    Yep, some live and learn not to make the same mistakes. Others ....

    Philippine, Malaysian Top Diplomats Trade Angry Words over Sabah-tren1-660x431-jpg

    "People gawk at two coaches of a Philippine National Railways train which fell over as it was traveling southbound in Taguig City on Wednesday afternoon. The cause of the derailment has yet to be determined. Marianne Bermudez"

    80 injured as PNR train derails in Taguig City | Inquirer News
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    Seriously, how utterly thick are you . . . and yes, that's a rhetorical question.

    Coronavirus: Ten dead in China quarantine hotel collapse


    At least 10 people are dead and 23 remain missing after a hotel being used as a coronavirus quarantine facility in the Chinese city of Quanzhou collapsed on Saturday.

    Rescue workers are still searching the rubble of the five-storey Xinjia Hotel in the southern province of Fujian.

    Seventy-one people were in the building when it collapsed and dozens have been rescued, authorities say.

    It is not clear what caused the collapse on Saturday evening.
    Wenzhou train collision

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    Wenzhou train collision
    An image of the wreck; after the collision, four cars of the rear train fell off the Ou River bridge, slamming into the ground more than 20 m (66 ft) below

    Details
    Date Saturday, 23 July 2011
    20:34
    CST (UTC+08:00)
    Location Lucheng District, Wenzhou, Zhejiang
    Coordinates 28°00′48″N 120°35′24″E
    Country China
    Line Ningbo–Taizhou–Wenzhou Railway
    Part of
    Hangzhou–Fuzhou–Shenzhen PDL
    Operator China Railway High-speed
    Incident type Collision, derailment
    Cause Railway signal failure[1]
    Statistics
    Trains 2
    Passengers 1,630
    Deaths 40[2]
    Injuries More than 192, or 210, people
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    The Wenzhou train collision occurred on 23 July 2011 when two high-speed trains travelling on the Yongtaiwen railway line collided on a viaduct in the suburbs of Wenzhou, Zhejiang province, People's Republic of China. The two trains derailed each other, and four cars fell off the viaduct.[3] 40 people were killed,[2] at least 192 were injured, 12 of which were severe injuries.[4] This serious traffic disaster was caused by both the critical defects of design and the rough management of the bullet train company.[5] Officials responded to the accident by hastily concluding rescue operations and ordering the burial of the derailed cars. These actions elicited strong criticism from Chinese media and online communities. In response, the government issued directives to restrict media coverage, which was met with limited compliance, even on state-owned networks.
    The collision is the only fatal crash involving
    high-speed rail (HSR) in China, and is the third-deadliest HSR accident in history, after the 1998 Eschede derailment in Germany and 2013 Santiago de Compostela derailment in Spain. High speed was not a factor in the accident, however, since neither train was moving faster than 99 km/h (62 mph), a moderate speed for a passenger train.



    The accident, the first of its kind, had a profound impact on the development of
    high-speed rail in China. Public confidence in high-speed rail eroded, resulting in fewer passengers using the service. Construction of high-speed rail lines in China was temporarily suspended as the accident was under investigation. Speeds on other major high-speed rail lines in China were reduced. China's reputation in high-speed railway technology was scrutinized internationally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GracelessFawn View Post
    For some reason, I have a hard time trusting men who rely on sea creatures to make their penis functional.
    . . . and dried deer penis and other animals' schlongs.

    Despicable shitheads . . . speaking of which - OhOh comes along with more apologist bullshit

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    Cripes, perhaps they should ask for the rent cheques to be returned.

    i would not trust any UMNO or ex UMNO politician to speak the truth, even if he said he was a corrupt and self serving turncoat I would still suspect him of lying for personal profit.

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    Wenzhou was a glowing example of homemade Chinese rail signalling, in general they follow European signalling practice and on this section there were track circuits to detect trains in a section (it basically just measures the resistance across the two rails, a train will short it) and red and green aspect signals.

    A lightning strike had blown one of the fuses in a trackside installation and the signalling system was no longer able to read the track circuit in that area (they are about a mile long). A train came to rest in the same section due to a red light.

    The previous signal remained at green because the system was not aware of the stopped train in the next section.

    Train comes from behind, passes a false green aspect and collides at about 60 kph.

    NO WAY THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

    A Chinese state company had designed their own signalling hardware and it was not fail safe. One lightning strike and trains collided.

    The loudest boast of Japanese Shinkansen is 'No fatalities"

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