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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    You are comparing apples and oranges, the vertical axis scale is quite different between the two graphs...
    Show us the graph of "Number of global pandemics started".


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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    You are comparing apples and oranges,
    Correct. I replied to tomcat's post.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    he trajectory of that expansion (and influence) can be flattened...
    The direction of the slope (trajectory), change of rate (expansion) and in whatever direction (flattened or surge) of the slope/curve.

    The China graph indicates a very substantial positive affect. The ameristan graph shows a negative affect.

    But to answer your rebuttal.

    In the last 30 years. China has reduced the poverty level of it's citizens by 80%. Ameristan has increased the poverty level of it's citizens by 0.8%. Clearly labelled on the graphs which you recognised and replied to.

    Clarity of the curve/line graphs and annotation, not obscuration is my preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Show us the graph of "Number of global pandemics started".
    Started in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Originating China.

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    Erm, no. Not being political here, just check the data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    check the data
    'arry, as the "doubting Thomas", is obliged to substantiate his unsourced allegation. He desired a graph, I obliged.

    If you are doubting my graph, post your sourced data and we may have a conversation, even politely refute each other.

    Here below are the links, most of which I've previously posted:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The CDC
    to statements from the ameristan regime funded CDC, if we agree to accept their statements as factual:

    Past Pandemics | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    True, but as I've said before - totalitarian regimes invariably fall. China is no exception
    Democracies fall too

    Listen to this CCP propagandist. He gets it

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    SARS - Chinkies
    1918 H1N1 - Chinkies
    SARS-COVID19 - Chinkies

    All caused by bugs stewed in the everyday live animal diet of the unsanitary chinky batmunchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    'arry, as the "doubting Thomas", is obliged to substantiate his unsourced allegation. He desired a graph, I obliged.

    If you are doubting my graph, post your sourced data and we may have a conversation, even politely refute each other.

    Here below are the links, most of which I've previously posted:



    to statements from the ameristan regime funded CDC, if we agree to accept their statements as factual:

    Past Pandemics | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    1968 Pandemic (H3N2 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

    Of course the chinkies will never allow scientists in to gather evidence of how many viruses they really have brewing in their filthy wet markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Democracies fall too
    Rubbish. If an elected leader is crap and the voting public has enough of him/her, he/she gets voted out. in Communism and totalitarianism the system is overthrown - replaced by chaos and then eventually some other form of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Rubbish. If an elected leader is crap and the voting public has enough of him/her, he/she gets voted out. in Communism and totalitarianism the system is overthrown - replaced by chaos and then eventually some other form of government.
    You're best off talking about your Tijuana hookers
    If you haven't worked through the contradictions of that yet then I don't need to say anything further.

    China has rule of law. Politicians have constituants to answer to in China

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If you haven't worked through the contradictions of that yet then I don't need to say anything further.
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    Politicians have constituants to answer to in China
    Comedy gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Politicians have constituants to answer to in China
    Good grief, where did you get this idea?

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    The China Hawks Got It Mostly Right

    Are there any China accommodationists left in Washington?

    By Tyler Cowen
    August 4, 2020, 6:00 AM GMT+7


    Happier times, in 2017. Photographer: Qilai Shen/BloombergTyler Cowen is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He is a professor of economics at George Mason University and writes for the blog Marginal Revolution. His books include “The Complacent Class: The Self-Defeating Quest for the American Dream.”

    More than a year after protests for democracy in Hong Kong dominated the news, some major questions about China have been answered, and pretty decisively at that. The main takeaway is that “the China hawks” were right — with one important caveat.

    China is an aggressive, expansionist power with anti-democratic values, and it is not turning toward liberal ideals. Nor does being “nice” to China yield dividends in terms of encouraging good behavior. As long ago as 2015, writers such as Christopher Balding were far better guides to reality, and far better predictors, than were the China accommodationists.

    A few examples suffice to drive this point home. China has put more than 1 million Uighurs in what are effectively concentration camps, and it is trying to eliminate Uighur cultural influence throughout Xinjiang province. A true surveillance state has been constructed. Overall, the outcome is worse than the predictions of almost all the China hawks.

    Yet that is only the beginning. China has broken the Hong Kong agreement and taken away basic liberties in the territory. It has amplified its saber-rattling over Taiwan, repeatedly provoked Japan over the Senkaku islands, continued to interfere in Australian and New Zealand politics, and attacked Indian troops in the border region straddling the two countries. Meanwhile many countries, including the U.S., are banning or planning to ban the Chinese video service TikTok, for fear the software represents a security risk.

    As for the issue driving the news now and for the foreseeable future — the Covid-19 pandemic — it is debatable exactly how much China is to blame. But its early response was one of denial and cover-up from local government, hardly a sign of a well-functioning political order. A government without democratic checks and balances will abuse its powers, a truth too many observers neglected for too many years.

    Given these realities, you might then argue that all policy and decision-making should be handed over to the China hawks. Unfortunately, the U.S. also has failed in some very significant ways.

    Under President Donald Trump, the U.S. has conducted a trade war against China without getting very much in return. The dispute has worsened relations with China and made many nations more wary of the U.S. as an ally — and has done nothing to reverse the U.S. trade deficit.

    The U.S. also has alienated many of its allies around the world, most significantly in Western Europe. To be sure, many of these problems are due to the blunders and idiosyncrasies of the Trump administration, but they are by no means the only forces at work. When it comes to Germany, for instance, there has been a general and in some cases long-standing failure to persuade Germany to contribute its fair share to NATO, to stop buying so much energy from Russia, and to keep Chinese equipment from its telecommunications networks.

    Perhaps America’s biggest failing has been its response to the Covid-19 pandemic. On that score, ask yourself a simple question: If a country cannot set up a national testing regime, never mind get its own citizens to wear masks, is it capable of leading an effective global crusade against Chinese influence?
    When it comes to both moral leadership and organizational expertise, U.S. efforts keep coming up short. Furthermore, the willingness of Americans to make short-term sacrifices — even for their own health — doesn’t seem to be there.

    All that said, Trump’s China policy has not been a complete failure. Sustained U.S. pressure has made many foreign governments aware of the risks of building a communications network around Chinese supplier Huawei. The administration also has had at least partial success cracking down on Chinese espionage in the U.S., including through universities. On the public relations front, it is now widely understood that China just isn’t going to open up to a lot of U.S. businesses, including the major technology companies.

    Where does all this leave U.S. China policy? As a rule of thumb: If it is of clear and limited scope and can be conducted technocratically, and can avoid both excess media coverage and political polarization — and, crucially, if it requires no obvious sacrifices from American citizens — then a policy stands a pretty good chance of succeeding. But that is not enough to justify a new global crusade. Over the last year or so, no matter what you might think of the government in Beijing, it has become clear that the government in Washington faces some real limits in responding to it.

    In other words: The China hawks were right about everything, except how to deal with China.


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    ...too long to post here, this article details the horrific treatment of Uighers (and one in particular, with vid) by Han Chinese:

    China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment - BBC News

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    Politicians have constituants to answer to in China



    Good grief, where did you get this idea?





    ^ But they do- The People, basically. Regimes, no matter how despotic, that piss off a majority of their population for too long, do not last long.
    If you wish to explain the longevity, until US overthrow, of the likes of Qaddafi & S, Hussein, there's your answer. Velvet fist, iron glove.
    And if you wish to argue in favor of the many benefits freedom and democracy have brought Iraqi's & Libyans, start a thread.
    Personally, I'm wary of Xi. I much prefer a China safely ruled by Committee, than dominated by the whims & agendas of one guy.
    His nagging and insistent mini power grabs (Pres for Life?) do not sit well with me.

    But China, overall, has been a basically peaceful heir presumptive on the world stage. It seems redundant to still call them Communist, I think state sponsored capitalism would be more appropriate- which makes their model not dissimilar to Sth Korea, albeit minus the veneer of democracy. It's insidious means of expansion have been manufacturing, trade, dollar diplomacy, infrastructural expansion, and more recently even technological innovation. Nearly a billion people have been lifted from abject poverty, in the space of two generations- this is unprecedented. More recently, their response to Covid (along with some other asian nations), has made our western democracies look a bit shoddy in comparison.

    So you might say, yes indeed- the Chinese system does pose a threat to our current western, oligarchic system- the threat of a good example. Ditto Vietnam. All that our enlightened system has really achieved over the past 40 years or so is to make the rich richer- and fight in a few losing, pointless foreign wars. Xi, like Putin, enjoys higher domestic popularity ratings than western political leaders. I wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...too long to post here, this article details the horrific treatment of Uighers (and one in particular, with vid) by Han Chinese:

    China Uighurs: A model's video gives a rare glimpse inside internment - BBC News
    Please fuck off with the token muslim pity canard. Just like Bosnia, just like Chechnya. Anywhere that the US is making trouble, there is a muslim pity story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Good grief, where did you get this idea?
    I know from listening to Eric X Li talk about how the system works.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Please fuck off with the token muslim pity canard
    ...so you think..what? Uighers live in a socialist paradise that encourages personal freedom?...Even for a troll, you're a bit loose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    A few examples suffice to drive this point home. China has put more than 1 million Uighurs in what are effectively concentration camps, and it is trying to eliminate Uighur cultural influence throughout Xinjiang province. A true surveillance state has been constructed. Overall, the outcome is worse than the predictions of almost all the China hawks.

    Yet that is only the beginning. China has broken the Hong Kong agreement and taken away basic liberties in the territory. It has amplified its saber-rattling over Taiwan, repeatedly provoked Japan over the Senkaku islands, continued to interfere in Australian and New Zealand politics, and attacked Indian troops in the border region straddling the two countries. Meanwhile many countries, including the U.S., are banning or planning to ban the Chinese video service TikTok, for fear the software represents a security risk.

    As for the issue driving the news now and for the foreseeable future — the Covid-19 pandemic — it is debatable exactly how much China is to blame. But its early response was one of denial and cover-up from local government, hardly a sign of a well-functioning political order. A government without democratic checks and balances will abuse its powers, a truth too many observers neglected for too many years.
    It would be nice to not get the usual 'whataboutism' bullshit from certain posters here.



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    Politicians have constituants to answer to in China
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Good grief, where did you get this idea?
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But they do
    But they do not. You're conflating the issue, which is proportional representation from a variety of options - doesn't exist in China. You're just confusing socal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Please fuck off with the token muslim pity canard.
    So, you're suggesting that it isn't true? Interesting. Mass imprisonment of Uighurs isn't real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I know from listening to Eric X Li talk about how the system works.
    Which makes you even more dense than even chico

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Even for a troll, you're a bit loose...
    Loose? You're being kind

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Loose? You're being kind
    ...I have a soft spot for the handicapped...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    SARS - Chinkies
    1918 H1N1 - Chinkies
    SARS-COVID19 - Chinkies
    You are suggesting the amerisatani regime funded CDC facts are fake.

    Care to post your factual evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of course the chinkies will never allow scientists in to gather evidence of how many viruses they really have brewing in their filthy wet markets.
    One awaits the audits of all the world's labs with the ability to "create" such viruses:

    Asia and Africa, (an additional 3 in China, 3 in India, 2 in Japan and 1 in Russia, assumed to be non-Pentagon ):

    Xi Stoops to Conquer-1_3_768x496-jpg


    The EU:

    Xi Stoops to Conquer-eu-labs-jpg

    ameristan:

    Xi Stoops to Conquer-american-rlbs-jpg


    Possibly the full list:

    Biosafety Level - List of BSL-4 Facilities

    List of BSL-4 Facilities
    This section requires expansion with: information completing the table, and citations.
    According to the United State Government Accountability Office (GAO) report published on October 4, 2007, a total of 1356 CDC/USDA registered BSL-3 facilities were identified throughout the United States (GAO-08-108T ). This represents a very conservative estimate of the number of facilities in the US in 2007. Approximately 36% of these laboratories are located in academia. Only 15 BSL-4 facilities were identified at the time, including 9 at federal labs.


    Name Location Level Established Discontinued Description
    Virology Laboratory of the Queensland Department of Health Australia, Queensland, Coopers Plains 4
    University of Queensland - Sir Albert Sakzewski Virus Research Centre (SASVRC) Royal Women's Hospital Brisbane P3 (BL3) Australia, Queensland, Herston 3+4
    Australian Animal Health Laboratory Australia, Victoria, Geelong 4
    National High Security Laboratory Australia, Victoria, North Melbourne 4 National High Security Laboratory Operates under the auspice of the Victoria Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory.
    Republican Research and Practical Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology Belarus, Minsk 4 Department of Molecular Epidemiology & Innovational Biotechnologies
    National Microbiology Laboratory Canada, Manitoba, Winnipeg 4 Located at the Canadian Science Centre for Human and Animal Health, it is jointly operated by the Public Health Agency of Canada and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency.
    Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences China, Hubei, Wuhan 3 - 4 2010 (P4) Wuhan Institute of Virology already hosts a BSL-3 laboratory. A distinct BSL-4 facility is currently being built based on P4 standards, the original technology for confinement developed by France. It will be the first at level 4 in China, under the direction of Shi Zhengli.
    Biological Defense Center Czech Republic, Pardubice, Těchonín 4 Located at the Centrum biologické ochrany (Biological Defense Center)
    Laboratoire P4 Jean Mérieux France, Rhône-Alpes, Lyon 4 1999-03-05 Jean Mérieux laboratory is a co-operation between the Pasteur Institute and INSERM. Note that in France, it is P4 for Pathogen or Protection level 4.
    Centre International de Recherches Médicales de Franceville Gabon 4 This facility is operated by a research organization supported by both Gabonese (mainly) and French governments, and is West Africa's only P4 lab (BSL-4).
    Robert Koch Institute Germany, Berlin 4 The facility was licenced for construction by City of Berlin on November 30, 2008.
    Bernhard Nocht Institute for Tropical Medicine Germany, Hamburg 4
    Friedrich Loeffler Institute on the Isle of Riems Germany, Isle of Riems (Greifswald) 4 2010 Deals especially with virology
    Philipps University of Marburg Germany, Marburg 4 2008 The facility is licenced to work with genetically modified organisms
    High Security Animal Disease Laboratory (HSADL) India, Bhopal 4 1998 This facility deals especially to zoonotic organisms and emerging infectious disease threats.
    Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology India, Hyderabad 4 2009 National Bio-Safety Level-4 Containment Facility for Human Infectious Diseases & Clinical Research Facility in Regenerative Medicine
    All India Institute of Medical Sciences India, New Delhi 1-4 1993 Conducts studies on major pathogenic organisms. Has contributed in discovering new strains & vaccines.
    Azienda Ospedaliera Ospedale Luigi Sacco Italy, Lombardy, Milan 4 A university hospital in Polo Universitario; it contains two special vehicles for transporting infectious persons.
    Istituto Nazionale Malattie Infettive Italy, Rome, Rome 4 This facility, (trans.) National Institute of Infectious Diseases, operates within the Lazzaro Spallanzani Hospital.
    National Institute for Infectious Diseases Japan, Kantō, Tokyo 3 (4) Located at National Institute for Infectious Diseases, Department of Virology I; this lab has the potential of operating as a BSL-4, however it is limited to perform work on only BSL-3 agents due to opposition from local residents and communities.
    Institute of Physical and Chemical Research Japan, Kantō, Tsukuba (4) This is a non-operating BSL-4 facility.
    Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) Netherlands, Bilthoven 3 - 4 2009
    Cantacuzino Microbiological Research Institute (INCDMI) Romania, Bucharest 4
    "Dr. Carol Davila" Central Military Hospital Romania, Bucharest 3 - 4
    State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR Russia, Novosibirsk Oblast, Koltsovo 1 - 4 It is one of two facilities in the world that officially hold smallpox. The other Russian BSL-4 facilities have been dismantled.
    National Institute for Communicable Diseases South Africa, Johannesburg 4 National Institute for Communicable Diseases of Special Pathogens Unit is one of only two BSL-4 facilities in Africa but the only suit laboratory on the continent.
    Swedish Institute for Communicable Disease Control Sweden, Solna 4 Swedish Institute for Communicable Disease Control is Scandinavia's P4 facility.
    Institute of Virology and Immunoprophylaxis (IVI) Switzerland, Mittelhäusern 4 2007-02-01 This facility only deals with animal diseases which do not transmit to humans, and is the only P4 facility where complete isolation suits are not used.
    High Containment Laboratory DDPS (SiLab) Switzerland, Spiez 4 Under construction, it will start operations in 2010. This laboratory will comply with BSL-4 standards.
    Kwen-yang Laboratory (昆陽實驗室) Center of Disease Control Taiwan 4 Part of the Department of Health, Taiwan.
    Preventive Medical Institute of ROC Ministry of National Defense Taiwan 4
    Health Protection Agency's Centre for Infections United Kingdom, Colindale 4 Located in the Viral Zoonosis unit.
    National Institute for Medical Research United Kingdom, London 4
    Institute for Animal Health United Kingdom, Pirbright 4
    Defence Science and Technology Laboratory United Kingdom, Porton Down 4
    Health Protection Agency United Kingdom, Porton Down 4 Special Pathogens Reference Unit.
    Health Protection Agency United Kingdom, Porton Down 4 Botulism.
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention United States, Georgia, Atlanta 4 Currently operates in two buildings. One of two facilities in the world that officially hold smallpox.
    Georgia State University United States, Georgia, Atlanta 4 Is an older design "glovebox" facility.
    National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF), Kansas State University United States, Kansas, Manhattan 4 Facility to be operated by the Department of Homeland Security, and replace the Plum Island Animal Disease Center. Planned to be operational by 2014.
    National Institutes of Health (NIH) United States, Maryland, Bethesda 4 Located on the NIH Campus, it currently only operates with BSL-3 agents.
    Integrated Research Facility United States, Maryland, Fort Detrick 4 Under construction. This facility will be operated by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), it is planned to begin operating at 2009 at the earliest.
    National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) United States, Maryland, Fort Detrick 4 Under construction, it will be operated for the Department of Homeland Security.
    US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) United States, Maryland, Fort Detrick 4 Old building
    US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) United States, Maryland, Fort Detrick 4 New building, currently under design construction
    National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratory (NEIDL), Boston University United States, Massachusetts, Boston 4 Under construction by Boston University, building and staff training complete, waiting for regulatory approval.
    NIAID Rocky Mountain Laboratories United States, Montana, Hamilton 4 National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
    Kent State University, Kent Campus United States, Ohio, Kent 3-4 Operates as a clean lab at level 3 for training purposes. Scheduled for conversion to a hot level 4 lab in response to a bioterrorism event in the USA.
    Galveston National Laboratory, National Biocontainment Facility United States, Texas, Galveston 4 Opened in 2008, facility is operated by the University of Texas Medical Branch.
    Shope Laboratory United States, Texas, Galveston 4 Operated by the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB).
    Texas Biomedical Research Institute United States, Texas, San Antonio 3+4 The only privately owned BSL-4 lab in the US.
    Division of Consolidated Laboratory Services United States, Virginia, Richmond 4 This facility is part of the Department of General Services of the Commonwealth of Virginia. It is so called "surge" BSL-4 capacity.


    http://www.liquisearch.com/biosafety...l-4_facilities
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Started in China.

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    You call these "facts'?

    Not only a fool but a massive hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Politicians have constituants to answer to in China



    Good grief, where did you get this idea?





    ^ But they do- The People, basically.
    'politicians' in China do not answer to their 'constituents'. (Regardless of what some Chinese might say).
    They answer to the level of government above them. If they want to get promoted they need to kiss ass UP not down.
    You and Socal really don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I know from listening to Eric X Li talk about how the system works.

    Why would you listen to that Chinky stooge. He's on Beijings payroll. You're not going to get any objective reasoning from him, I know the type just looking at his face, and listening to his utter bullshit just makes me want to slap the koont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    . in Communism and totalitarianism the system is overthrown - replaced by chaos and then eventually some other form of government.


    General Secretary of the Communist Party of China

    "The two most recent General Secretaries, Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping, were first elevated to the position of First Secretary of the Secretariat in the same process used to determine the membership and roles of the Politburo Standing Committee.

    Under this informal process, the First Secretary would be chosen during deliberations by incumbent Politburo members and retired Politburo Standing Committee members in the lead up to a Party Congress.

    The First Secretary would later succeed the retiring General Secretary as part of a generational leadership transition at the subsequent party congress.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...Party_of_China


    Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party of China

    "
    According to the party's constitution, the party's Central Committee elects the Politburo Standing Committee.

    In practice, however, this is only a formality. The method by which membership is determined has evolved over time.

    During the Mao Zedong era, Mao himself selected and expelled members, while during the Deng Xiaoping era consultations among party elders on the Central Advisory Commission determined membership.

    Since the 1990s, Politburo membership has been determined through deliberations and straw polls by incumbent and retired members of both the Politburo and the Standing Committee.[4][5]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_Standing_Committee_of_the_Communist_Part y_of_China

    It appears to be similar to the UK method:

    The citizens select/vote for, their local political representative. The political party "selects/vote for" it's leader. The political party selects/votes for it's leader and other ministers. The party leader fires/accepts their resignation, any he what's rid of and appoints their replacements.

    ameristan also, (more knowledgeable ameristanis may expand if they wish ):

    The citizens select their local political representative. The political party selects it's leader. The leader selects his "ministers".

    Thailand, appears similar.

    I am assuming your own "home" country, NZ? or Germany?, have similar procedures.

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