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    Nepal Close Ties With China Weaken Tibetan Human Rights Protections: Report

    Nepal’s close political ties with China have left Tibetan refugees in the Himalayan country uncertain of their status, vulnerable to abuses of their rights, and restricted in their freedoms of movement and expression, rights groups said this week.


    Nepal, which shares a long border with Tibet, is home to at least 20,000 exiles who began arriving in 1959 when a failed uprising against Chinese rule forced Tibet’s spiritual leader the Dalai Lama to take refuge in India’s Himalayan foothills.


    Nepal is seen by China as a partner in its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) to boost global trade through infrastructure investment, and the Kathmandu government has cited promises of millions of dollars of Chinese investment in restricting Tibetan activities in the country.


    Tibetan refugees often lack proper documentation, recent arrivals face the threat of deportation back to China, and their freedom of expression has been suppressed – all conditions that have gotten worse as Kathmandu has deepened ties with Beijing, according to a report to the United Nations by two human rights groups.


    Tibetan refugees who have arrived in Nepal since 1994 have no legal status and often face unequal treatment and restrictions on their rights, the Washington-based International Campaign for Tibet and the Paris-based International Federation for Human Rights told the UN in advance of a review of Nepal’s human rights record.


    “While a previous system of Refugee Identification Cards (RCs) recognized Tibetans’ legal status to reside in Nepal, the Nepali government ceased issuing the RC in 1994. All human rights issues faced by Tibetans derive from this basic lack of legal recognition,” the report says.


    The Nepalese government’s continued refusal to issue refugee identity papers to new Tibetan refugees arriving in Nepal is still a pressing problem, said a Tibetan named Sangpo working for the Human Rights Organization of Nepal (HURON).


    “NGOs, the Tibetan Welfare Office, and the local office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees have all appealed in vain to the government to issue new Refugee Identity Cards,” Sangpo said.


    Without these cards, Tibetans are deprived of all rights to go to school or earn a living, even by setting up businesses on their own, he added.


    Many lack documentation


    According to a study conducted by HURON in 2017, at least 12,331 Tibetan refugees were living in Nepal without documentation, of whom 40 percent were under the age of 16 at the time of the study and were born in their host country.


    As noncitizens of Nepal, Tibetans are denied the right to enroll in the country’s secondary schools and colleges and are barred from employment in the public sector, according to the report to the U.N.


    In the private sector, “Tibetans are discriminated against, as employers often believe that they would face serious consequences for hiring Tibetans,” the rights groups wrote.


    Tibetans fleeing oppression in their formerly independent homeland now ruled by China remain at constant risk of deportation, with unknown numbers of would-be refugees handed back by Nepal to Chinese border guards after trying to cross to safety, the report said.


    Treaties recently signed between China and Nepal on criminal matters and a border management system are a cause for particular worry, Kai Mueller, head of ICT’s U.N. Advocacy Team, told RFA’s Tibetan Service in an interview this week.


    “We are concerned that this may lead to a further erosion of Tibetans’ rights in Nepal—for example, if Nepalese authorities are sending Tibetans back into the hands of the Chinese authorities, which may lead to persecution and torture or imprisonment,” he said.


    “I think there should be a very, very close monitoring by the international community with regard to what is going to unfold and further develop in Nepal,” Mueller said, adding, “Nepal is a country that aligns itself more and more with Beijing, which leads to a deterioration of rights in Nepal altogether.”


    Freedom of expression restricted


    Freedom of expression on matters related to China and Tibet has come under increasing pressure in Nepal, with Tibetans forbidden to call in public for greater freedoms in Tibet, to hold elections in their refugee communities, or to celebrate the birthdays of the Dalai Lama, the report said.


    Washington-based Freedom House rated Nepal “partly free” in its 2020 annual index of world liberty, with a score of 51 out of a possible 100. China was meanwhile rated “not free” with a score of 10, while Tibet got an even lower ranking of just 1.


    “The authorities [in Nepal] are especially rigorous in suppressing any signs of dissent among Tibetans, including manifestations of uniquely Tibetan religious belief and cultural identity,” the 2020 report noted.


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    It's a shame that this cultural desecration by the chinkies is allowed to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Tibetan refugees often lack proper documentation
    Many "refugees" deliberately "lose" any ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Many "refugees" deliberately "lose" any ID.
    Many refugees are never issued with any in the first place to stop them leaving.

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    I feel so sorry for the Tibetans. They just want to worship the Dali Lama and not to some government sponsored lackey.

    Nepal caught between the behemoths of China and India. Odd the government would be pro-Chinese for a lot who are traditionally more Indian. But, money talks.

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    I hate the mainland Chinese government and anyone associated with it, with a passion....

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Nepal caught between the behemoths of China and India. Odd the government would be pro-Chinese for a lot who are traditionally more Indian. But, money talks.
    MK the Nepalese have been playing one off against the other for decades, things haven't changed since they stopped being a Kingdom. They have exploited their situation as a buffer to extract funds from both - they still are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    They just want to worship the Dali Lama and not to some government sponsored lackey.
    You sure a non leaking roof, indoor plumbing and regular food is not uppermost on the minds every morning?

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    ^Why would they become refugees in Nepal if all that and heaven too is available to them in Tibet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^Why would they become refugees in Nepal if all that and heaven too is available to them in Tibet?
    Don't ask awkward questions, that's when he waffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Why would they become refugees
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Don't ask awkward questions
    The "they" you talk of.

    "Population: There are approximately 128,000 Tibetans living outside Tibet"

    Background on Tibetan Refugees – Tibetan Innovation Challenge
    "Tibet Population (December 2014)[2]
    • Total 3,180,000"

    Tibet Autonomous Region - Wikipedia


    It appears that since 1951 128,000 Tibetans moved to other countries. The 2009 census registered about 128,000 Tibetans in exile, with the most numerous part of the community living in India, Nepal and Bhutan.[1

    The masses to India, not Nepal:

    "Based on a CTA survey from 2009, 127,935 Tibetans were registered in the diaspora: in India 94,203; in Nepal 13,514; in Bhutan 1,298; and in rest of the world 18,920."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_diaspora

    Currently (2014) there are 3,180,000 people in Tibet.

    So about 4% left in a 69 year period. About 0.006% a year averaged over the 69 years.

    I would suggest 0.006% is a miniscule number.

    Chinese Sovereignty.


    "Most historians agree that Tibet was an independent State during the Chinese Ming dynasty and that the Manchu Qing dynasty (1644-1911) had established protectorate over Tibet[6][7][8] after the Mongol conquest of Tibet and Yuan administrative rule in the 13th and 14th centuries. Qing dynasty (1636–1912) rule in Tibet began with their 1720 expedition to the country when they expelled the invading Dzungars and Tibet was actually first controlled by central government. From 1912 to 1950 Tibet was under de jure suzerainty of the Republic of China, however, the difficulties of establishing a new government in the aftermath of the Xinhai Revolution, the fractious Warlord Era, the Chinese Civil War and the overwhelming Japanese invasion and occupation before and during World War II left the Republic unable to exert any effective administration. Other parts of ethno-cultural Tibet (eastern Kham and Amdo) had been under de jure administration of the Chinese dynastic government since the mid-18th century;[9] today they are distributed among the provinces of Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan. (See also: Xikang Province) In 1950, the People's Liberation Army marched into Tibet and defeated the Tibetan local army in a battle fought near the city of Chamdo. In 1951, the Tibetan representatives signed a 17-point agreement with the Central People's Government affirming China's sovereignty over Tibet and the incorporation of Tibet. The agreement was ratified in Lhasa a few months later.[10][11] Although the 17-point agreement had provided for an autonomous administration led by the Dalai Lama, a "Preparatory Committee for the Autonomous Region of Tibet" (PCART) was established in 1955 to exclude the Dalai Lama's government and create a system of administration along Communist lines. Under threat of his life from Chinese forces the Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959 and renounced the 17-point agreement. Tibet Autonomous Region was established in 1965, thus making Tibet a provincial-level division of China"

    Tibet Autonomous Region - Wikipedia
    The Birth rate in Tibet has dropped from 45 births/1000 to 10 births/1000 since the "celibate" monks left.

    "Celibate Tibetan Monks


    The disciplinary regulations for monks and nuns are intended to create a life that is simple and focused, rather than one of deprivation or severe asceticism. Celibacy is of primary importance in monastic discipline, seen as being the preeminent factor in separating the life of a monastic from that of a householder."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_monasticism

    Some may say the mass of refugees left when the Dalai Lama's regime fled after loosing a war. I cant find any breakdown of the annual numbers of refugees leaving theTibet Autonomous Region. Some may say say that the oppressive monks system was ripe for overthrow.

    Many will suggest that one of the "must visit places" on the worlds tourism list has gone. But the same people want Asia to remain in aspic to provide cheap "exotic" tourist playgrounds. One hopes the government has removed all the unexploded munitions, replanted the poisoned trees that others have not and invested effort and finances to improve the Tibetan citizens lot.

    All the facts I have quoted are from sources as indicated.

    Your enormous, exaggerated "they", is a politically inflated problem by foreign regimes.

    Care to comment, you two bastions of unproven innuendo?

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    Waffle, waffle, waffle.

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    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal


    Across the border from their homeland, Tibetans have created a self-sufficient community but remain officially stateless.

    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal – The Diplomat

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    It appears that since 1951 128,000 Tibetans moved to other countries.
    "Moved" ?

    Oh...you mean the ones who fled due to Chinese oppression ? While, as they were hiking through mountain passes, some of their number were being used as target practice by the Chinese military ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Waffle, waffle, waffle.
    I can understand how you won the "Best Debater Prize" at journalist school, what a sharp retort.

    I don't see any mention of the word "waffle" in the above post.

    I hope you're not attacking the poster. Isn't it a jailing offence, against the forum "rules, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal
    "Hundreds of thousands of refugees followed, and with the help of the government-in-exile, created a network of Tibetan settlements throughout Nepal and India"

    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal – The Diplomat


    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    in Nepal 13,514;
    Do you actually read the reports prior to posting them. Or is English a second language for you?

    Either Wiki is fake or your posted report is fake, what a conundrum.

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    How do those alleged 110,000's survive.

    "Adults are expected to pay a small, voluntary tax each year and it is recorded in their Green Book. Non-Tibetans who want to show support are given a Blue Book and also contribute to the exiled government’s coffers.That money, plus support from a variety of different governments and NGOs, comes back to Tserok to help preserve Tibetan traditions."

    "“In 2014 the roof of the community center collapsed under heavy snow,” explained Phuntsok. “I called up Dharamsala and told them what happened. They asked how much it would cost to repair and sent funds the very next day.”"

    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal – The Diplomat

    No shortage of funds then.

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    "The store and hotel are collectively managed, with residents on rotating working shifts. At night it turns into a community space where people come to chat with friends. The profits are put into a general fund which acts as community insurance that can be used if someone becomes very sick or has an accident."

    A State Within a State: Tibetans in Nepal – The Diplomat

    Sounds a bit like communism. One is assured they have democratic elections on a stated time scale,, every few years or when a new "leader" is proclaimed by a secret regime?

    No gambling or drinking of local brews allowed?

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    "The five teachers in Tserok, all born and raised in the settlement, are paid the equivalent of about $180 a month [฿5,600] each with funds from Dharamsala."

    https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/a-state-within-a-state-tibetans-in-nepal/


    Not many TEFL'r applicants then at those rates.

    Possibly the NGO's are "teachers" as well. (Accommodation, flights, health insurance, food, personal allowance and Toyota SUV's supplied at the usual "International Aid" rates.)

    Or are the majority of the refugees in India living on ฿520 a day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Oh...you mean the ones who fled due to Chinese oppression ? While, as they were hiking through mountain passes, some of their number were being used as target practice by the Chinese military ?
    Are referring to this war? The signed treaty is here:" when the People's Liberation Army entered Tibet in 1950 and the Seventeen Point Agreement was signed with the Chinese reaffirming China's sovereignty over Tibet the following year"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevent...venteen_points

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    Or was it this war against Chinese oppression against the foreign funded terrorists. As adnitted by the "ameristani government/CIA", who politically supported and funded, armed, managed the terrorists?

    Chushi Gangdruk

    "the Kham Four Rivers, Six Ranges Tibetan Defenders of the Faith Volunteer Army"[2]) was an organization of Tibetan guerrilla fighters, formally created on June 16, 1958, which had been fighting the forces of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in Tibet since 1956.

    The Dokham Chushi Gangdruk organization, a charity set up in New York City and India with chapters in other countries, now supports survivors of the Chushi Gangdruk resistance currently living in India. Chushi Gangdruk also led The 14th Dalai Lama out of Lhasa, where he had lived, soon after the start of the Chinese invasion. During that time, a group of Chushi Gangdruk guerillas was led by Kunga Samten, who is now deceased.[3]

    "Because the United States was prepared to recognize People's Republic of China in the early 1970s,CIA Tibetan Program, which funded the Chushi Gangdruk army, was ended in 1974."

    "Without getting approval from the Dalai Lama, the US Central Intelligence Agency decided to go ahead to support the Chushi Gangdrug Tenshung Danglang Mak in the summer of 1959.[14] The CIA provided the group with material assistance and aid, including arms and ammunition, as well as training to members of Chushi Gangdruk and other Tibetan guerrilla groups at Camp Hale.

    The Tibetan involvement with the U.S. came during the Cold War and decolonization period in world history that in the United States manifested as anticommunism, and in the People’s Republic of China as anticapitalism. [15][16]

    Allen Dulles, the CIA deputy director responsible for overseeing all CIA covert operations, saw an opportunity to destabilize Communist China.[17] The primary motive was more to impede and harass the Chinese Communists, than to render sufficient aid to the Tibetans.[18]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chushi...uk#CIA_support


    CIA Tibetan program


    The CIA Tibetan program was a nearly two decades long anti-Chinese covert operation focused on Tibet which consisted of "political action, propaganda, paramilitary and intelligence operations" based on U.S. Government arrangements made with brothers of the 14th Dalai Lama, who was not initially aware of them. The goal of the program was "to keep the political concept of an autonomous Tibet alive within Tibet and among several foreign nations".[1]

    Although it was formally assigned to the CIA , it was nevertheless closely coordinated with several other U.S. government agencies such as the Department of State and the Department of Defense.[2]

    Previous operations had aimed to strengthen various isolated Tibetan resistance groups, which eventually led to the creation of a paramilitary force on the Nepalese border consisting of approximately 2,000 men. By February 1964, the projected annual cost for all CIA Tibetan operations had exceeded US$1.7 million.[2]

    The program ended after President Nixon visited China to establish closer relations in 1972.[3]

    The Dalai Lama criticized this decision, saying it proved wholeheartedly that the US never did it to help the people of Tibet"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program



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    ^ Ohoh have you been to Nepal or Tibet, believe me they would rather stay in Tibet, well the Tibet before your mates from the collective turned up to iron out their uniqueness. I had enough time in Nepal to speak to a number of refugees, the community was just up the road, none of them felt happy at having to trade their right to practice their beliefs for their country. You are out of your depth here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I hope you're not attacking the poster. Isn't it a jailing offence, against the forum "rules, what?
    Yes. So next time you attack me for my posts, off to jail you go, dumbass. There are many examples where you have.





    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Do you actually read the reports prior to posting them. Or is English a second language for you?

    Either Wiki is fake or your posted report is fake, what a conundrum.
    Hmm. An attack.


    ^^More OhOh waffle, waffle, waffle. Believe it or not, some people on this board have more life experience than yourself. I’ve spent quite a bit of time, in all well over a year, in Nepal around Tibetans. Just a couple of years ago, I attended a big Sherpa-Tibetian wedding of some very long time friends. I know well what is on their minds and why they flee China. So waffle on, sir know it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Ohoh have you been to Nepal or Tibet
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    your mates from the collective turned up to iron out their uniqueness
    "Tibet under Qing rule refers to the Qing dynasty's rule over Tibet from 1720 to 1912. Tibet was under Khoshut Khanate rule from 1642 to 1717, with the Khoshuts conquered by Dzungar Khanate in 1717, and the Dzungars subsequently expelled by Qing in 1720.

    Benn Chinese since 1720.

    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    to practice their beliefs for their country
    Which beliefs are you referring to?

    This is the agreement both the Chinese and Tibetans signed in 1950.

    Lead-up

    [A section editable by all and sundry, opinions not facts]

    "The People's Liberation Army crossed the Jinsha River on 6 or 7 October 1950 and defeated the Tibetan army by 19 October.[4][5]

    Instead of continuing with the military campaign, China asked Tibet to send representatives to Beijing to negotiate an agreement.

    The Dalai Lama believes the draft agreement was written by China, and Tibetan representatives were not allowed to suggest any alterations.

    China did not allow the Tibetan representatives to communicate with the Tibetan government in Lhasa. The Tibetan delegation was not authorized by Lhasa to sign, but ultimately submitted to pressure from the Chinese to sign anyway, using seals which had been specifically made for the purpose.[6]:"

    Agreement

    The seventeen points


    1. The Tibetan people shall unite and drive out imperialist aggressive forces from Tibet; the Tibetan people shall return to the family of the Motherland the People's Republic of China (PRC).
    2. The local government of Tibet shall actively assist the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to enter Tibet and consolidate the national defenses.
    3. In accordance with the policy towards nationalities laid down in the Common Programme of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), the Tibetan people have the right of exercising national regional autonomy under the unified leadership of the Central People's Government (CPG) of the PRC.
    4. The central authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The central authorities also will not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall hold office as usual.
    5. The established status, functions and powers of the Panchen Ngoerhtehni shall be maintained.
    6. By the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama and of the Panchen Ngoerhtehni are meant the status, functions and powers of the thirteenth Dalai Lama and the ninth Panchen Ngoerhtehni when they had friendly and amicable relations with each other.
    7. The policy of freedom of religious belief laid down in the common programme of the CPPCC shall be carried out. The religious beliefs, customs and habits of the Tibetan people shall be respected and lama monasteries shall be protected. The central authorities will not effect a change in the income of the monasteries.
    8. Tibetan troops shall be reorganised step by step into the PLA and become a part of the defence force of the PRC.
    9. The spoken and written language and school education of the Tibetan nationality shall be developed step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
    10. Tibetan agriculture, livestock raising, industry and commerce shall be developed step by step and the people's livelihood shall be improved step by step in accordance with the actual conditions in Tibet.
    11. In matters relating to various reforms in Tibet, there will be no compulsion on the part of the central authorities. The local government of Tibet shall carry out reforms of its own accord, and, when the people raise demands for reform, they shall be settled by means of consultation with the leading personnel of Tibet.
    12. In so far as former pro-imperialists and pro-Kuomintang (KMT) officials resolutely sever relations with imperialism and the KMT and do not engage in sabotage or resistance, they may continue to hold office irrespective of their past.
    13. The PLA entering Tibet shall abide by all the above-mentioned policies and shall also be fair in all buying and selling and shall not arbitrarily take a needle or thread from the people.
    14. The CPG shall have centralised handling of all external affairs of the area of Tibet; and there will be peaceful co-existence with neighbouring countries and establishment and development of fair commercial and trading relations with them on the basis of equality, mutual benefit and mutual respect for territory and sovereignty.
    15. In order to ensure the implementation of this agreement, the CPG shall set up a Military and Administrative Committee and a Military Area HQ in Tibet and – apart from the personnel sent there by the CPG – shall absorb as many local Tibetan personnel as possible to take part in the work. Local Tibetan personnel taking part in the Military and Administrative Committee may include patriotic elements from the local government of Tibet, various districts and various principal monasteries; the name list shall be set forth after consultation between the representatives designated by the CPG and various quarters concerned and shall be submitted to the CPG for appointment.
    16. Funds needed by the military and Administrative Committee, the Military Area HQ and the PLA entering Tibet shall be provided by the CPG. The local government of Tibet should assist the PLA in the purchase and transport of food, fodder and other daily necessities.
    17. This agreement shall come into force immediately after signature and seals are affixed to it


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement#The_seventeen_points

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_A...ation_of_Tibet

    This agreement may well have been changed over the years since it's signing of course, if you have any link to any please inform me.

    You might conclude that China controlled the surrender agreement signed by the defeated country. I suggest that is not an unusual solution to end wars. The defeated don't normally have any options except to sign. Otherwise more cities destroyed and people will die possibly in nuclear explosions..


    SOP in most of the wars around the world from xxxx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    in all well over a year, in Nepal around Tibetans
    You speak Tibetan?

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Just a couple of years ago, I attended a big Sherpa-Tibetian wedding of some very long time friends.
    Tibetans?

    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    I know well what is on their minds and why they flee China.
    I presume you mean by "they" Tibetans.

    How many Tibetans left last year? Where did they go to?

    I'm only going by the reported numbers, the total over 69 years. if you have the annual numbers they might indicate more accurately the current situation.
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    What a colossal waste of time.

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    ^^^ OhOh, prior to communism Tibetan Buddhism was not a problem so your article has helpfully pointed out the problems created by Mao fiddling with centuries of culture during which religion was not an issue.

    Thank you for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Yes. So next time you attack me for my posts, off to jail you go, dumbass. There are many examples where you have.
    That's quite a strong statement... I am stunned...

    There are here so many really strong, vulgar and despicable attacks for posts of some, but of no concern. Does it mean that posts of some can be attacked but posts of some cannot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    prior to communism Tibetan Buddhism was not a problem
    It appears that Buddhism continue to be practised in China, including The Tibet Autonomous Region or Xizang Autonomous Region.

    "After the liberalization policies in China during the 1980s, the religion began to recover with some temples and monasteries being reconstructed.[43]
    Tibetan Buddhism is now an influential religion among Chinese people, and also in Taiwan.[43]

    However, the Chinese government retains strict control over Tibetan Buddhist Institutions in the PRC. Quotas on the number of monks and nuns are maintained, and their activities are closely supervised.

    Today, Tibetan Buddhism is adhered to widely in the Tibetan Plateau, Mongolia, northern Nepal, Kalmykia (on the north-west shore of the Caspian), Siberia (Tuva and Buryatia), the Russian Far East and northeast China. It is the state religion of Bhutan."



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism


    There is a published Chinese law which states various "requirements":

    Measures on the Management of the Reincarnation of Living Buddhas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Religious_Affairs_Bureau_Order_No._5

    Maybe our religious experts can illustrate how this law is different to the other four, officially sanctioned religions.

    "Freedom of religion in China is provided for in the Constitution of the People's Republic of China,[1] with an important caveat: the government protects what it calls "normal religious activity," defined in practice as activities that take place within government-sanctioned religious organizations and registered places of worship

    The ruling Communist Party of China officially espouses state atheism,[3] and has conducted antireligious campaigns to this end.[4]

    China
    's five officially sanctioned religious organizations are the Buddhist Association of China, Chinese Taoist Association, Islamic Association of China, Three-Self Patriotic Movement and Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association.

    These groups have been overseen and controlled by the United Front Work Department of the Communist Party of China since the State Administration for Religious Affairs' absorption into the United Front Work Department in 2018

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo...betan_Buddhism
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    ^ So why do they have a problem with Buddhas worldly presence, he even came from Chinky land this one, Ohoh, you have yellow fever mate get some treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    So why do they have a problem with Buddhas worldly presence
    Not being a religious person I have no reason to believe they do. f others beleive in them, "It;s up to them".

    The Chinese successfully made ameristani efforts by employing religious framed terrorists, in their country, to desist.

    I'm sure our religious TD members will educate me.

    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    you have yellow fever mate get some treatment.
    A tobacco induced cough yes. "Colour" fevers/revolutions are usually instigated by countries other than China, in my experience.

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