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    ‘Incident happened’: Arunachal Pradesh police on abduction of 5 men in region


    The 5 young men from Tagin tribe, who used to work as porters for the Indian Army, had gone missing on Thursday reportedly from Sera-7 on the Indian side of the McMohan line bifurcating Arunachal Pradesh and Tibet Autonomous Region of China.

    ‘Incident happened’: Arunachal Pradesh police on abduction of 5 men in region - india news - Hindustan Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ‘Incident happened’: Arunachal Pradesh police on abduction of 5 men in region


    The 5 young men from Tagin tribe, who used to work as porters for the Indian Army, had gone missing on Thursday reportedly from Sera-7 on the Indian side of the McMohan line bifurcating Arunachal Pradesh and Tibet Autonomous Region of China.

    ‘Incident happened’: Arunachal Pradesh police on abduction of 5 men in region - india news - Hindustan Times

    Ah they'll be off getting a bit of "re-education" or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Probably a TD post by Harry
    Don't be fucking silly. India vs China?

    They might as well be playing football.

    Unless they start lobbing nukes around of course....

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    Here we go, China making its excuses now, so that they can claim later India started it. They are like children, but with nuclear weapons.

    China says Indian troops fired 'provocative' shots in border dispute - BBC News

    China has accused Indian troops of illegally crossing a disputed Himalayan border and firing "provocative" warning shots at patrolling soldiers.
    China's military said its soldiers were "forced to take countermeasures", though it is not clear what they were.
    India rejected the allegations and accused Chinese troops of firing in the air during the face-off in the high-altitude Ladakh region.
    Relations between the countries have steadily deteriorated in recent months.
    India said the People's Liberation Army (PLA) had tried to approach a forward Indian position and "fired a few rounds in the air in an attempt to intimidate own troops".
    "At no stage has the Indian army transgressed across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) or resorted to use of any aggressive means, including firing," the statement from India's military said.

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    The chinkies always blame everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The chinkies always blame everyone else.
    It's a national trait on all levels.
    The very first response when something goes wrong is to start pointing fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    It's a national trait on all levels.
    The very first response when something goes wrong is to start pointing fingers.
    Yes, personal accountability is anathema to their way of life, not only in China but with Chinese in SEAsia as well

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    PLA bombers pictured close to troubled region

    China appears to have deployed strategic bombers close to its border with India amid ongoing skirmishes between the two countries.


    In photographs published on Tuesday on an official social media account of the People’s Liberation Army’s Central Theatre Command, at least three Xian H-6 bombers and a Xian Y-20 airlifter were shown at an airfield thought to be in the Tibet autonomous region.


    The captions accompanying the images on Weibo – China’s Twitter-like platform – said ground crews had been stationed at a “high-altitude” base on a “plateau” – a description normally associated with Tibet.


    They had been tasked with maintaining and refuelling the aircraft, the captions said.

    Among the aircraft that can be identified from the images are H-6H bombers, which have a combat range of 2,500km (1,550 miles) and can carry heavy air-to-ground or anti-ship cruise missiles.

    Meanwhile, on Wednesday, a brigade from the 77th Group Army under the PLA’s Western Theatre Command said they had taken part in a live-fire air-defence exercise in a “northwestern desert” – a phrase often used to refer to Xinjiang, the far western Chinese region close to its border with India’s Ladakh, where the dispute is taking place.


    The release of the statement and images comes after the border conflict between China and India escalated on Monday, with the two sides each accusing the other of opening fire close to the southern bank of Pangong Lake in a violation of a no-fire agreement signed in 1996.

    The social media announcement that troops from the Central Theatre Command, which has its headquarters in Beijing, had been deployed to a region under the control of the by Western Theatre Command piqued people’s interest on social media.

    Although it oversees several inland provinces, the main function of the Central Theatre Command is to serve as China’s primary defender and provide strategic reserve forces to other commands. However, other units from the Central Theatre Command, including a paratrooper brigade based in Wuhan, Hubei province, have been deployed to the border region since June.

    China and India have been locked in a border dispute since May. In June, at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in clashes between the two sides. China did not acknowledge losing any of its troops in the skirmishes.


    Both countries have sent reinforcements to the area despite agreeing to disengage from the front line.


    The PLA has increased its live-fire exercises in Tibet and Xinjiang in recent months and publicised them.


    China’s H-6 bomber series is based on the former Soviet Union’s twin-engined strategic bomber Tu-16, which was built in the 1950s. The latest version – the H6-N – made its first public appearance at China’s National Day parade in October last year.

    China-India border dispute: PLA bombers pictured close to troubled region | South China Morning Post

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    As India-China standoff escalates, foreign ministers to meet in Moscow

    India's Minister of External Affairs S Jaishankar will meet his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting in Moscow on Thursday as Indian forces continue to curb Chinese efforts of infiltration in Ladakh.


    On Wednesday, the Chinese foreign ministry confirmed that the foreign ministers of both the nations will meet in a luncheon hosted by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

    Earlier on Wednesday, Indian Army sources also said both countries engaged in brigadier-level talks on Wednesday, in which they have decided to organise Corps Commander-level talks.

    Talks at multiple levels are being held despite the months-long border crisis in Ladakh that was escalated after shots were fired in the region on Monday evening, the first in about 45 years.


    Post the firings, the Indian Army blamed China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) for "blatantly violating agreements and carrying out aggressive manoeuvres".


    The PLA, in between August 28-29, tried to capture Indian territory on the southern bank of Pangong Tso in Ladakh, which was thwarted by Indian Army which gained key heights along the stretch from the south bank to Rechin La in the border region.


    A few days ago Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh also met Chinese Defence Minister in Moscow, where the duo discussed the standoff in the border region.

    As India-China standoff escalates, foreign ministers to meet in Moscow, India News News | wionews.com

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    Chinese, Indian foreign ministers agree to deescalate border tension

    CGTN | Updated: 2020-09-11 09:13

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    China's State Councilor and FM Wang Yi, right, Russia's FM Sergei Lavrov, center, and India's FM Subrahmanyam Jaishankar pose for a picture during a meeting in Moscow, Russia Sept 10, 2020. [Photo/Xinhua]

    "Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi said China and India have agreed to deescalate border tension and avoid any actions that might intensify the current situation.

    Wang made the remarks at a bilateral meeting with Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar in the Russian capital of Moscow on Thursday.

    Both officials are attending a ministerial meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Member States in Moscow.

    The two senior diplomats agreed that border tension is not in the interest of both sides and border forces from China and India should maintain communication, disengage contact as soon as possible and maintain a necessary distance.

    Wang and Jaishankar also agreed to keep using the existing mechanisms to carry out discussions over border issues.

    Special representatives on border issues started meeting in 2003 and a bilateral working mechanism for consultation and coordination on border affairs was launched in 2012."


    Chinese, Indian foreign ministers agree to deescalate border tension - Chinadaily.com.cn

    Jaw, jaw. Not war, war.

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    Joint Press Release of Russia-India-China Foreign Ministers, Moscow, September 10, 2020

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    "Foreign Minister of Russia Mr. Sergey Lavrov, External Affairs Minister of India Dr. S. Jaishankar and State Councillor/Foreign Minister of China Mr. Wang Yi met in Moscow on 10 September 2020.


    The Ministers exchanged views on further strengthening of Russia-India-China trilateral cooperation as well as topical issues of international and regional importance, in the spirit of mutual understanding, friendship and trust. The Ministers noted that common development and cooperation of the three countries is conducive to promoting global growth, peace and stability.

    Recalling their video-conference of 23 June 2020 on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of the victory in the Second World War and the creation of the United Nations, the Ministers reiterated their support for inclusive multilateralism and respect for universally recognized principles of international law.


    The Ministers noted with appreciation the continuation of joint activities held under the RIC framework, including the 2nd RIC DG-level Consultations on Regional Issues hosted by India in August 2019, 17th RIC Academic Exchange Conference hosted by China in September 2019, the 3rd edition of the RIC Young Diplomats Programme hosted by Russia in October 2019 and the first online meeting of national sanitary and epidemiological services held on 8 September 2020. The Ministers agreed that the three countries, with strong scientific and industrial capacities, could make a significant contribution towards mitigating the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The External Affairs Minister of India and the Foreign Minister of China thanked the Foreign Minister of Russia for the chairmanship of RIC and the meetings/conferences organized during the past one year. The Foreign Minister of Russia officially handed over the chairmanship of RIC to the External Affairs Minister of India."


    Joint Press Release of Russia-India-China Foreign Ministers, Moscow, September 10, 2020 - News - The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
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    How long before the chinkies are at it again?

    They can't be trusted.

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    Double-dealing Chinese never to be trusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    How long before the chinkies are at it again?
    Speaking of which . . . Klondyke and OhOh reappeared at the same time again . . . time to check IP addresses

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Speaking of which . . . Klondyke and OhOh reappeared at the same time again . . . time to check IP addresses
    Maybe they had a romantic retreat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Maybe they had a romantic retreat.
    Nice . . . comparing hammer and sickle and yellow star tattoos

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Nice . . . comparing hammer and sickle and yellow star tattoos
    I had a post wiped before, part of which was suggesting that they'd been summoned to HQ and warned that they'd be given a special Kremlin coffee unless they upped their game on Teakdoor.

    Maybe Vlad has infiltrated the mods here too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    comparing hammer and sickle and yellow star tattoos

    Kerala

    Beautiful, ain't it ?

    I doubt that Klondyke and OhOh are fond of the Hammer and Sickle

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Kerala

    Beautiful, ain't it ?
    Funny you mention that, Kerala is a very interesting place. I worked on a joint venture between the Malaysian and Keralan gov't a few years ago - what a beautiful place, especially in he hills towards Tamil Nadu. Ah, and the Trivandrum Club . . . formerly known as the European Club.

    I must try to find some photos of the massive camphor trees and evening soirees on the grounds

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    Your photo thread might still be here.

    Was good


    ( exactly why do you think, that I posted Hammer and Sickle from Kerala ??????)

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    Joint Press Statement — Meeting of External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar with his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi

    September 10, 2020


    "H.E. Dr. S. Jaishankar, External Affairs Minister of India met H.E. Wang Yi, State Councillor and Foreign Minister of China on 10thSeptember in Moscow on the side-lines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting. Both Ministers had a frank and constructive discussion on the developments in the India-China border areas as well as on India-China relations and agreed as follows:

    1. The two Ministers agreed that both sides should take guidance from the series of consensus of the leaders on developing India-China relations, including not allowing differences to become disputes.

    2. The two Foreign Ministers agreed that the current situation in the border areas is not in the interest of either side. They agreed therefore that the border troops of both sides should continue their dialogue, quickly disengage, maintain proper distance and ease tensions.

    3. The two Ministers agreed that both sides shall abide by all the existing agreements and protocol on China-India boundary affairs, maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas and avoid any action that could escalate matters.

    4. The two sides also agreed to continue to have dialogue and communication through the Special Representative mechanism on the India-China boundary question. They also agreed in this context that the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China border affairs (WMCC), should also continue its meetings.

    5. The Ministers agreed that as the situation eases, the two sides should expedite work to conclude new Confidence Building Measures to maintain and enhance peace and tranquillity in the border areas."

    Joint Press Statement — Meeting of External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar with his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi - The Hindu

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Your photo thread might still be here.

    Was good


    ( exactly why do you think, that I posted Hammer and Sickle from Kerala ??????)
    Ah, that's right . . . you certainly have a better memory than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    "H.E. Dr. S. Jaishankar, External Affairs Minister of India met H.E. Wang Yi, State Councillor and Foreign Minister of China on 10thSeptember in Moscow on the side-lines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) meeting.
    Wondering why they haven't preferred the world-known diplomacy on the other side of the world with their wonderful mediator...

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    An India-China reset is still possible


    Posted on September 12, 2020 by M. K. BHADRAKUMAR


    "A joint statement wasn’t anticipated after the talks between the External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar and China’s State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Moscow on September 10. In diplomatic terms, a joint statement signals that a “critical mass” developed through the 3-hour long discussion between the top diplomats.

    Of course, much of the understanding reached will not be put in the public domain but it is apparent that an easing of tensions at the border and a disengagement of troops is on cards. The Chinese account assesses that the two foreign ministers have created “favourable conditions for a possible future meeting of the leaders of the two countries.”


    Doesn’t this add up to a breakthrough? It does. That there isn’t going to be a war makes this a big breakthrough. So indeed, that deck is cleared for a summit meeting.


    The joint statement outlined a 5-point consensus. First, the two countries reaffirmed the “series of consensus” reached by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping at their meetings in Astana (June 2017), Wuhan (April 2018) and Chennai (October 2018), which had committed the two countries to a cooperative relationship.


    Second, a “quick disengagement” of border troops is envisaged, so that the two militaries will maintain a “proper distance and ease tensions.” Third, the existing agreements and protocols in bilateral boundary affairs” shall be adhered to and the two militaries shall “maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas and avoid any action that could escalate matters.”

    Fourth, the two special representatives will continue “dialogue and communication” on the boundary question and the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on China-India Border Affairs will hold meetings. Finally, once the tensions ease, new CBMs will be concluded to “maintain and enhance” peace and tranquility in the border areas.

    Reading between the lines, the joint statement never once mentions the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Instead, the expression used is “border areas.” This suggests that there isn’t going to be any return to status quo ante as of early May, which has been an Indian demand.


    The Indian army reportedly occupied certain “dominating heights” through the past week. But nothing has been mentioned in the joint statement in this regard. Conceivably, Indian troops’ mortal enemy in those dominating heights will be not the PLA but the harsh winter that is approaching in another 6 weeks or so. Maintaining a military presence in such inhospitable terrain entails heavy costs in life and treasure and will put an intolerable strain on our resources.

    Succinctly put, what emerges from the joint statement is a mutual desire not to escalate the conflict situation and a shared opinion that a de-escalation of tensions is in mutual interest. However, there is lingering uncertainty as regards the way forward. To my mind, the creation of a buffer zone ( a demilitarised zone) at this point will be the best way to ensure peace and tranquility on the border on a durable basis.

    Paradoxically, the crisis today also is an eyeopener. We peered into the abyss and didn’t like what we saw. Prime Minister Modi is a charismatic leader who can pitch high for a settlement of the boundary question. He is a strong leader who can take difficult decisions and cut the Gordian knot.


    Clearly, India has shifted from the position that unless the PLA withdrew from “Indian territory”, the bilateral ties cannot be “business as usual.” In a huff, India began imposing sanctions against China. But the joint statement underscores that the two countries continue to uphold the “series of consensus” reached at the leadership level — where a key template is their common conviction that China and India are not competitive rivals or each other’s threats, but cooperation partners and each other’s developmental opportunities.


    A Xinhua dispatch from Moscow giving a resume of the “full, in-depth discussion” between the two foreign ministers says, “Jaishankar said that the Indian side does not consider the development of India-China relations to be dependent on the settlement of the boundary question and India does not want to go backwards. The truth is, India-China relations have made steady progress over the years, and the Chinese and Indian leaders have met several times and reached a series of important consensus on the development of bilateral relations, he said.”

    Clearly, sanctions must go. They have no place in the relationship. They would hurt us more than the Chinese. The trade and economic ties are useful and critically necessary, especially at times such as this, to leverage a reset in the relationship. We must learn from Japan and Vietnam. This rethink must be welcomed.

    But it is an abhorrent idea for sections of Indian opinion who are weaned on the belief that China has committed aggression by invading “Indian territory” and must be punished. The social media is full of venomous attack on the Indian “sellout” at the Moscow talks, the “evisceration” of the LAC and so on.

    However, that is primarily because the Indian narrative is seriously flawed. There is going to be a serious problem ahead for the government to “upgrade” the Indian narrative at this late stage. But the fact of the matter is that the Chinese had never accepted the LAC on the map or had delimited the LAC on the ground per the 1993 agreement.

    They consistently held the view that the November 1959 claim line constituted the LAC. In the circumstances, how the disengagement and de-escalation can be worked out remains to be seen.

    Looking back, the government’s move on August 5 last year to change the status of J&K and thereafter to include Aksai Chin as part of the Union Territory of Ladakh triggered a sequence of events culminating in the Chinese side changing the status quo on the ground and creating “new facts on the ground”.

    India lacks the capability to challenge the Chinese action. But the country was led to believe otherwise. Per the Indian narrative, Indian armed forces have the capability to give a “bloody nose” to the PLA. So, there is bound to be a sense of disappointment today. India is paying a very high price for the strident nationalism and xenophobia that was whipped up by the ruling elite.

    The Indian narrative is divorced from realities. The nation is bogged down in a raging epidemic and a deepening economic crisis. A vaccine to contain the pandemic will not be available in the market before the second half of next year. Meanwhile, the epidemic will remain as the “new normal”. A war with China will set back the country’s development by a decade. It is unthinkable.

    Suffice to say, Jaishankar was given a weak hand to negotiate. And he has made a good job of it. The biggest gain is that a war has been averted and a new phase of constructive engagement of China with a sense of realism becomes possible. This is a moment of truth to rethink the entire foreign policy trajectory the government followed in the recent years.

    Equally, it must be borne in mind that a replay of the “forward policy” that in 1962 plunged the country in a ruinous war was best avoided. The Mission Creep in the name of “infrastructure development” in Ladakh inevitably met with Chinese rebuff. All sorts of jingoistic notions stemming from the militarisation of India’s foreign policies in the past decade or so precluded rational thinking. The criticality of Aksai Chin region for China’s national security needed no iteration. Yet, we chose to meddle.

    Fundamentally, India needs to come to terms with China’s rise and should have the composure and maturity to regard it as an inexorable historical process. The country is caught in a time warp — entrapped between an irascible parliament on one side and an ill-informed nation on the other side. Our zero sum mindset has done colossal damage.

    We must jettison it forever and refocus on constructively engaging China so as to take advantage of that country’s meteoric rise for our country’s development, which is the number one priority today. "


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    . . . until China invades Indian territory again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    . . . until China invades Indian territory again.
    I don't think it would bother Hoohoo's favourite jingly. I'm not sure who pays the bloke more, Russia or Chinastan.

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