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    Maybe your girlfriend should read this (that's assuming she has better reading skills than you).

    Reports recently surfaced revealing that 69-year-old Thitphay Thammavong had been arrested in Lao last month on 16 September. His crime? According to his family members, he had refused to sign papers that would give up control of his 1.5-hectare plot of land near Viengkham village in Bolikhamsai province’s Pakkading district so authorities could build a health centre on it. Thitphay Thammavong’s family members say the land has been in his family since 1965.

    Authorities, on the other hand, have denied the family’s claims and said that the land belongs to the state.

    “This lot of land belongs to the state, contrary to what the family claims. The state reserved this land for economic development since 2001. Since then, nobody encroached on it until 2009,” an official of Pakkading district told Radio Free Asia (RFA).


    Nevertheless, it is pertinent to note that as far as Lao is concerned, the country has often come under criticism for land grabs in which authorities seize land from the people for development projects. Allegedly, this happens without paying them
    fair compensation.


    In July 2017, 15 residents of Yeub village in the Sekong province of Lao were taken into custody for obstructing workers and cutting down trees on their former land. The land had allegedly been taken by the government and given to a Vietnamese rubber company.


    But that’s not all. According to international reports, several of those detained were beaten or subjected to electric shocks in the days following their arrest, with another later reported to have died in custody.


    This isn’t the first case of protesting residents being taken into custody. In 2011, 25 protestors were taken into custody following a land protest in the country’s Salavan province. All but two of the 25 protestors were released while the other two were imprisoned. In April, one of those two prisoners, Sy Phong, died and despite officials citing natural causes. Villagers fear the death might have been caused by torture.


    Sy Phong and another accused leader, Som Nuk, had protested outside district offices with a group of 25 residents of Salavan’s Dane Nhai village to call for the return of land given by the government to a Vietnamese company to grow eucalyptus trees.

    Allegedly, even when compensation was promised, it wasn’t followed through. According to reports that surfaced in October last year, 80 families in Pak Houei village in Champassak province’s Pathumphone district signed an agreement in 2009 with Vietnam’s Daklak Rubber Company under which villagers would provide labour and 700 hectares of land for cultivation, with profits shared at 80 percent for those owning the land.

    Claiming growing losses over the next four years, Daklak then renegotiated its lease to terms more favourable to the firm, with villagers and the company taking profits in a new 50-50 split. But three years later, still losing money, the company brought in Vietnamese to work the land, saying the Lao villagers were poor workers; offering them compensation for the land’s use instead.


    Later, however, all payments from Daklak ceased, with Daklak demanding proof the villagers owned the disputed land on which they have supposedly paid taxes and grown corn, bananas, and vegetables for generations.

    The story doesn’t end here. By now most know of the tragic dam collapse in Lao. Described as the country’s worst flooding in decades, the disaster occurred in July last year when a saddle dam at the Xe Pian Xe Namnoy (PNPC) hydropower project collapsed following heavy rains, inundating 12 villages and killing at least 40 people in Lao’s southern Champassak and Attapeu provinces, leaving many more missing.

    Following the disaster, a 2,000-hectare plot of compensatory land near Pindong village, Sanamxay district, Attapeu province was cleared by authorities three months ago on the understanding that the victims of the disaster would be able to grow crops there during the rainy season in 2018. Unfortunately, the authorities allowed a Chinese investor to plant bananas there instead.


    According to reports, survivors of the Xe Pian Xe Namnoy disaster are concerned that the land they were promised is going to a Chinese developer.


    As with most things, there are two sides to the story as far as land-grabbing goes in Lao. The government and authorities continue to deny that they are “stealing” land from their people. Nevertheless, human rights advocates, researchers and numerous cases seem to paint a different picture.

    https://theaseanpost.com/article/dying-land-lao

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    "many of whom were coerced by authorities into selling"
    How many the article is silent on numbers and names.

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    The district authorities summoned three people to the police station
    The Lao authorities report/are managed by Lao or Chinese institutions?

    Is that three farm owners or three people from one family/farm

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    The issue here is simple farmers being coerced into selling their mad to
    By Lao institutions.

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    Radio Free Asia aims to provide
    Does it deliver it's "promise"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    it is also good for me
    That is all that matter.

    Please allow others their own, selection of sources and opinions.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    You gullible prick
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    Lom, you ain't very smart are you
    chico calling others gullible and dumb ... amazing

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Maybe your girlfriend should read this (that's assuming she has better reading skills than you).
    Assuming? I'd suggest that'd be a given

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    And here's HoHo to defend his chinky masters.

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    I do not know what Chico (and others, myself included) did not get:

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    "About RFA: Radio Free Asia (RFA) is a private,...

    "Created as a non-profit broadcaster in 1996 and funded by the US Congress via the Broadcasting Board of Governors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I do not know what Chico (and others, myself included) did not get:
    A lot . . .

    FOK

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    ^ Typical know it all response,when wrong lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    ^ Typical know it all response,when wrong lmfao
    Try that again . . . in English

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    ^ Typical know it all response,when wrong lmfao
    So what is your highly-educated girlfriends profession? Scientist? Economist? Doctor?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    So what is your highly-educated girlfriends profession? Scientist? Economist? Doctor?

    Lets just say she knows more about Laos, than your bigoted posts about almost every country on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Try that again
    How about you tell us how the land owners got done again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    How about you tell us how the land owners got done again.
    Read the article . . . or have your hi-so girlfriend read it to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Lets just say she knows more about Laos, than your bigoted posts about almost every country on the planet.
    Let's just say she's a bargirl then.

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    Oh look Harry

    look who has cropped up again in your link


    dig dig dig the hole harry.

    “This lot of land belongs to the state, contrary to what the family claims. The state reserved this land for economic development since 2001. Since then, nobody encroached on it until 2009,” an official of Pakkading district told Radio Free Asia (RFA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Let's just say she's a bargirl then.
    That's it Harry go as low as you can to try and win the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    That's it Harry go as low as you can to try and win the debate.
    Just going on intellectual peers. And that's the top end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The state reserved this land for economic development since 2001
    I'm sure they did.

    And now they are "economically developing" aren't they.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Try that again . . . in English
    If you do not know what to say (as if anything needs to say by you...) it's always on hand the poor English of (almost) all TD members...

    It's obviously my poor English that I - unfortunately - never see any sense in many your ingenious posts (anyway, important is surely for you, you satisfy yourself...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm sure they did.
    I'm sure you have heard about all the different types of title deeds in Thailand Harry, well guess what Laos has the same.

    My GF's mama lost her land years ago as she hadn't of worked the land for years and lost the right to work the land.

    carry on Harry the hole is getting bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I'm sure you have heard about all the different types of title deeds in Thailand Harry, well guess what Laos has the same.

    My GF's mama lost her land years ago as she hadn't of worked the land for years and lost the right to work the land.

    carry on Harry the hole is getting bigger.
    Yes, I'm sure the bent bastards that screwed them followed all the procedures.

    You fucking mug, do you know where you are?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    If you do not know what to say (as if anything needs to say by you...) it's always on hand the poor English of (almost) all TD members...
    On the contrary, it's all just you and your best little mate - chico. You have more brains by a country mile but your far too obvious bigotry and one-sided conceptualisation drags you to his level . . . though you two do seem to play well together.

    FOK

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    Harry try and understand this 80% of land in Laos is leasehold go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Harry try and understand this 80% of land in Laos is leasehold go figure.
    It's SEA mate.

    What the rich want, they get.

    And screw the little guy.

    If you haven't worked that out, god help you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's SEA mate.

    What the rich want, they get.

    And screw the little guy.

    If you haven't worked that out, god help you.

    Harry in Laos the state holds the land, and its there culture and its been the same for so long,but reading articles from RFA is a fucking joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Harry in Laos the state holds the land, and its there culture and its been the same for so long,but reading articles from RFA is a fucking joke
    The state owns what it wants when it wants when the chinkies come a-calling with a wad full of yuan. Dumbarse.


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