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    Not much use have NES if the curriculum is going to remain stuck in the past. Smaller class sizes, a child centered curriculum and assertive rather than punitive discipline would be a better start.

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    Indians also make good native speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Indians also make good native speakers

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    ... or
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    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    Not much use have NES if the curriculum is going to remain stuck in the past. Smaller class sizes, a child centered curriculum and assertive rather than punitive discipline would be a better start.
    And a reversion to teaching a phonetic language as a phonetic language would be a good start. Fucking picture word shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    a child centered curriculum
    How much child centered can it get? Don't attend the class, don't do the work, still receive the passing grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico
    My son's school already has flip flop English teachers, pity the kids can't understand them.
    Can they understand you?

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    Also not much chance bringing in a load of NES unless they have done some training or attended workshops about classroom management. Having done one, the biggest issue with TEFL certificates is that they just brush over the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    the biggest issue with TEFL certificates is that they just brush over the topic.
    Among many others.....
    "I was a good student. I comprehend very well, OK, better than I think almost anybody," - President Trump comparing his legal knowledge to a Federal judge.

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    A positive and instructive change within the stodgy, restraining and standardized curricula and techniques would certainly be a benefit to all.

    With the exception to the harnessed education establishment, which truly don't seem to get it.
    The ages old surface rhetoric doesn't work.

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    Hope the muppets coordinate their policies this time; I stopped my couple of days unpaid tefling many years back when they were also scraping for teachers, after bothering to check with immigration that it was legal, and being told I could be arrested with severe penalties for working without the legal docs.

    The schools lost three free native English teachers, and through my years in Thailand it became clearer why leaders might wish to keep their people dumb and docile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Perhaps, just perhaps, Minister Teepsuwan should enroll in a “Managing Your Expectations” seminar.

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    Well said jabba. Me too, as it happens- why put yourself at that sort of risk, for the crime of trying to help out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    The minister of education popped into my class without warning yesterday and quizzed me about the state of Thai students
    how good was his english ?

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    want more native english teachers?
    i have the same problem

    i want more big titted blondes, but im in the wrong part of the world and unwilling to change may ways or pay for them
    we won it at wemberlee
    we on it in gay paree...

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    Most TEFLers are shockingly poor teachers in my experience. But, just to practice English usage and build confidence (if given the opportunity within the course/syllabus) is very useful for students in itself. Some TEFLers are very good teachers, exceptional, and can make a huge difference to a student's English language development - but, as pointed out above, most of the courses, be they CELTA or ESL MA, are pretty dire.

    A good Thai or Philippino English teacher is gonna be much better than a bad NS teacher, obviously. Thailand doesn't have enough Thai English teachers, many teachers who do that role at schools have no background in English and don't want to teach it, but the school has no other options. When working at Chula's education faculty, a problem was that well trained young teachers who are good at English can earn much more money going into companies. Many female students, if tall enough, upon graduation, got jobs at airlines for 80,000 baht per month rather than 15,000 baht per month in a Thai school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    The General's plan to make Thai a world language will make learning English unnecessary.

    Prayuth: Thai will become world language | Coconuts Bangkok
    LOL, Lom redded me for this post. He thought I had taken the General's plan seriously.

    Hey Lom, a question for you. How does someone as dumb as you, get to be so old?

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    I can't wait to the influx of those 3,000 Jamaican and Bajan native-English speakers





    Wappan bladclaart... here me nah... hacktyually me have a Thai rasta livin daan me street ya here me nah.. him be a skyeatbaaardaaar ya nah

    The future Thai classroom... booyaka sha na krap!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuRY1skaH4M

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    how good was his english ?
    Fluent, hardly any accent. It's obvious he's studied abroad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Most TEFLers are shockingly poor teachers in my experience.
    I was very poor when I first arrived. When I moved to Satit Ramkhamhaeng, a couple of the intern supervisors took me under their wings and I had to improve or get shit canned. Over the years, they taught me a lot about how to manage a classroom and how to deliver a lesson and motivate students to speak.

    I'd say after about three years, I was good at the classroom side of things but my test writing was abominable due to lack of decent examples. It wasn't till about 5 years ago that I was forced to learn to write a proper standards based test using Bloom's Taxonomy.

    Class planning, assessment management and classroom management strategies are things that should be stressed in training for every new teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Most TEFLers are shockingly poor teachers in my experience. But, just to practice English usage and build confidence (if given the opportunity within the course/syllabus) is very useful for students in itself. Some TEFLers are very good teachers, exceptional, and can make a huge difference to a student's English language development - but, as pointed out above, most of the courses, be they CELTA or ESL MA, are pretty dire.

    A good Thai or Philippino English teacher is gonna be much better than a bad NS teacher, obviously. Thailand doesn't have enough Thai English teachers, many teachers who do that role at schools have no background in English and don't want to teach it, but the school has no other options. When working at Chula's education faculty, a problem was that well trained young teachers who are good at English can earn much more money going into companies. Many female students, if tall enough, upon graduation, got jobs at airlines for 80,000 baht per month rather than 15,000 baht per month in a Thai school.

    Regardless of one's education, training, or background - doesn't guarantee an efficient or communicative instructor.

    Largely applies to personality, originality, connections, and technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Largely applies to personality, originality, connections, and technique.
    Don't teach as a profession but found my technique extremely effective with kids and grandkids. I start with, first lesson.

    "You will learn English or you will cease to exist" Works a charm. The whole bunch speak perfect English.

    Wonder if I can get a job with local school?
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Most TEFLers are shockingly poor teachers in my experience.
    This seems a little like your opinion on all Thai women, based solely on your wife.

    There do seem to be quite a lot of bullshitters involved in education in Korea though, I'll give you that.

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    Pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    Many female students, if tall enough, upon graduation, got jobs at airlines for 80,000 baht per month rather than 15,000 baht per month in a Thai school.
    There seems to be no end to your hyperbole and misinformation.

    A Thai flight attendant starts on an average salary of 35-40,000 baht pr month and after right years might get around 55-65,000 baht per moth.

    Some airlines offer packages yielding fringe benefits but broadly that is the range.

    I've seen some cabin crew brokers in the recruitment trade claiming TG airline pays an average annual salary of $40,000 US but this is just a come-on for suckers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    There seems to be no end to your hyperbole and misinformation.

    A Thai flight attendant starts on an average salary of 35-40,000 baht pr month and after right years might get around 55-65,000 baht per moth.

    Some airlines offer packages yielding fringe benefits but broadly that is the range.

    I've seen some cabin crew brokers in the recruitment trade claiming TG airline pays an average annual salary of $40,000 US but this is just a come-on for suckers.
    I'm reporting directly what the students told me, and that was 8 years ago, mostly getting jobs with Emirates; none worked for Thai based airlines, all of them were based in the Middle East. But, as usual, you claim to know more than the people actually involved...

    So, I clicked on Google and the first answer was this:



    In Thai baht, that's just over 80,000 Thai baht per month, exactly as the students told me.

    You Mr Sausage are an unpleasant and ignorant individual, full of dishonesty, an over-inflated ego and endlessly sprouting false information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    endlessly sprouting false information.


    That sounds pretty painful.

    Are you an Afrikaner?

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