The COVID-2019 Thread

[misskit]

^ Mainstream media is not ignoring this. From last week.

Covid: Omicron appears to protect against delta and could displace it, study says

[beam8]

^ Mainstream media is not ignoring this. From last week.

Covid: Omicron appears to protect against delta and could displace it, study says

And the reporting here was.

Covid "Tsunami" Will Drive Health Systems Towards Collapse: WHO

Geneva: A "tsunami" of Omicron and Delta Covid-19 cases will pile pressure on health systems already being stretched to their limits, the World Health Organization warned on Wednesday.


The WHO said the Delta and Omicron variants of concern were "twin threats" that were driving new case numbers to record highs, leading to spikes in hospitalisations and deaths.


The WHO said new global cases had risen by 11 percent last week, while the United States and France both registered record daily case numbers on Wednesday.


"I am highly concerned that Omicron, being more transmissible, circulating at the same time as Delta, is leading to a tsunami of cases," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a press conference.


"This is and will continue to put immense pressure on exhausted health workers, and health systems on the brink of collapse."


He said the pressure on health systems was not only due to new coronavirus patients, but also large numbers of health workers falling ill with Covid.


'Moral shame'


The WHO reflected on the fight against Covid-19 in 2021 and hoped that next year would see an end to the acute stage of the pandemic -- but warned that it would rest on greater vaccine equity.


The WHO wanted 40 percent of the population in every country fully vaccinated by the end of the year and has a target of 70 percent coverage by the middle of 2022.


Tedros announced that 92 of the WHO's 194 member states were going to miss the 40 percent target.


"This is due to a combination of limited supply going to low-income countries for most of the year and then subsequent vaccines arriving close to expiry and without key parts like the syringes," he said.








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"It's not only a moral shame, it cost lives and provided the virus with opportunities to circulate unchecked and mutate. In the year ahead, I call for leaders of government and industry to walk the talk on vaccine equity.


"While 2021 has been hard, I ask everyone to make a New Year's resolution to get behind the campaign to vaccinate 70 percent by the middle of 2022."


Misinformation and populism


Tedros slammed the attitude of richer countries accusing them of hogging the weapons to combat Covid-19 -- and leaving the back door open for the virus.


"Populism, narrow nationalism and hoarding of health tools, including masks, therapeutics, diagnostics and vaccines, by a small number of countries, undermined equity, and created the ideal conditions for the emergence of new variants," he said.


Meanwhile disinformation had been a constant distraction in 2021, hampering efforts to beat the pandemic.


"In the huge waves of cases currently seen in Europe and in many countries around the world, misinformation which has driven vaccine hesitancy is now translating to the unvaccinated disproportionally dying," he said.

Tedros lamented that while there were 1.8 million recorded deaths in 2020, there were 3.5 million in 2021 -- and the true number would be much higher.

Covid Tsunami Will Drive Health Systems Towards Collapse: WHO

[Iceman123]

It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the vaccines have not had the desired effect. Perhaps we were all asking a bit too much to have vaccines developed in months which would normally take years.

The now recommending of 3 shots in 6 months (4 in Israel) whilst still admitting that you can still catch the disease should highlight the vaccines effectiveness to all.


I am pro vaccine, have had 2 shots, but I wish now to leave the current experiment and do not want to be used as a guinea pig by Big Pharma and inept governments who want to treat me like a tea bag.

I have encountered 2 people in the last week who were positive for the Omicron variant. No.1 felt bad for 2-3 days described it as a “ big hangover” No. 2 only found out he was positive as he took a test as a close contact. Both were vaccinated.

[Latindancer]

I reckon Omicron will be intense, then burn out quickly.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the vaccines have not had the desired effect. Perhaps we were all asking a bit too much to have vaccines developed in months which would normally take years.

The now recommending of 3 shots in 6 months (4 in Israel) whilst still admitting that you can still catch the disease should highlight the vaccines effectiveness to all.


I am pro vaccine, have had 2 shots, but I wish now to leave the current experiment and do not want to be used as a guinea pig by Big Pharma and inept governments who want to treat me like a tea bag.

I have encountered 2 people in the last week who were positive for the Omicron variant. No.1 felt bad for 2-3 days described it as a “ big hangover” No. 2 only found out he was positive as he took a test as a close contact. Both were vaccinated.

The reason that vaccines have not eliminated the pandemic is not because the were developed too quickly,( RNA research has being going on for over 30 years, what was done quickly was adapting it to covid vaccines) .. but that many refused to be vaccinated, or in some countries the vaccine was not available allowing the vaccine to spread among them and mutate. From day one they said that for the pandemic to end through vaccination, there would need to be a minimum of 80% of the population vaccinated. as it is right now , I read somewhere that 90 out of about 200 countries (dont quote on the exact numbers ) are only 40 % vaccinated and of the remaining , few have reached 80%
USA 61.9%
Germany 69.9%
UK 75.8%
etc....
so what has failed is not the vaccine but the willingness or ability to be vaccinated.

[Iceman123]

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your information is wrong on so many counts - look at the vaccination rates in Israel well over 90% and the infection rate is increasing - they are now rolling out a 4th dose.

Australia vaccination rate over 90% and infections on a daily basis at all time high.

[bsnub]

Australia vaccination rate over 90% and infections on a daily basis at all time high.

Yet, it is overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are in the hospitals down under. The gist of his post is however correct, while you are the one who is going down the wrong path with your ill-informed assumptions.

Majority in hospital with COVID are the unvaxxed says Prime Minister Scott Morrison as case numbers continue to surge

Amid increasing hospitalisation rates across Australia the Prime Minister has urged caution saying illness from the Omicron variant is 75 per cent less than Delta and a hospital stay is unlikely for those who are vaccinated.

Majority in hospital with COVID-19 are the unvaccinated says Prime Minister Scott Morrison as case numbers continue to surge | Sky News Australia

[taxexile]

I have encountered 2 people in the last week who were positive for the Omicron variant. No.1 felt bad for 2-3 days described it as a “ big hangover” No. 2 only found out he was positive as he took a test as a close contact. Both were vaccinated.

it would appear that 90% of those hospitalised with omicron in the uk have either not been vaccinated at all or have not had the 3rd booster shot or have underlying co-morbities not of their own making e.g. malignancies, compromised immune systems etc. or are too fucking fat with tobacco ravaged lungs and blood vessels.

the vaccination protects most against serious illness and will increase ones immunity, rendering it no more inconvenient than a bout of flu.

omicron should now be allowed to spread throughout the populations of countries that have had a successful vaccination programme. lockdowns cannot be continued indefinitely, they were the only form of protection 18 months ago, but now they are mostly unnecessary, disruptive and are causing big economic problems and social unrest in countries more used to laisses faire and freedom than the communistic forms of disciplinary control as has now become the norm in many countries.

freedom of movement and association, vaccinations and the use of common sense are needed now.

[misskit]

Indonesia to give booster shots to public from Jan 12 as Omicron spreads | Thai PBS World : The latest Thai news in English, News Headlines, World News and News Broadcasts in both Thai and English. We bring Thailand to the world

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[Buckaroo Banzai]

^
your information is wrong on so many counts - look at the vaccination rates in Israel well over 90% and the infection rate is increasing - they are now rolling out a 4th dose.

Australia vaccination rate over 90% and infections on a daily basis at all time high.

and a partridge in a pear tree .
Everyone is talking about Israel. Israel is a country of about 9 million people. New York City has almost as many people.
What difference do 9 millions people make in a world of 8 Billion? so what if Australia (25,6 million) and a couple of other countries have reached target rates?
Until 80% of the world population is vaccinated the viruses will be bouncing around from country to country like a pinball game, and it will be mutating until it tilts.

So how many counts is my information wrong?? please list them

[bsnub]

Until 80% of the world population is vaccinated the viruses will be bouncing around from country to country like a pinball game, and it will be mutating until it tilts.

Spot on and exactly correct. It is the fooking anti-vax clowns who are prolonging this and clogging up hospitals.

[malmomike77]

It’s becoming increasingly obvious that the vaccines have not had the desired effect. Perhaps we were all asking a bit too much to have vaccines developed in months which would normally take years.

But they have worked, they have reduced mortality.

The nature of the virus with its ability to mutate like the cold and flu means there is no one vaccine that will give universal protection.

[Troy]

^ Not absolute protection but enough to stop average Joe from needing intensive care.

Germany seems to have got the infection rate back under control. France and UK still seem to be struggling. I'm not that surprised ...

[Iceman123]

Everyone is talking about Israel. Israel is a country of about 9 million people. New York City has almost as many people.
What difference do 9 millions people make in a world of 8 Billion? so what if Australia (25,6 million) and a couple of other countries have reached target rates?
Until 80% of the world population is vaccinated the viruses will be bouncing around from country to country like a pinball game, and it will be mutating until it tilts

As the borders of Australia and Israel have both been effectively closed for the period of the pandemic, then I think they are perfect examples highlighting that no matter what the vaccination rates were achieved, we were not containing the virus.
What happened to “Herd Immunity?” - another line fed to us.

I am not an anti-vaxxer, I have had two shots, I just won’t be experimented on anymore.

[Iceman123]

The nature of the virus with its ability to mutate like the cold and flu means there is no one vaccine that will give universal protection.

The ‘flu is a completely different type of virus than COVID and it has been treated with protein based vaccines, the same vaccines we have used to treat every other disease in the past 100 years.

The cold in common with COVID is a corona virus which to date we have had no vaccine for.

The mRNA technology used to make the COVID vaccines has never been used in vaccine production before and is basically untested technology given emergency authorisation for use.

These vaccines were developed to deal with the initial strain of COVID, their loss of effectiveness is due to the fact that they are now dealing with variants far different from the initial disease. No vaccines currently available have addressed the new variants.

Now back to mRNA - this was being discussed, developed and trialled over the last 40 years as gene therapy .For example in cancer patients. Never for vaccines It is entirely debatable as to the long term effects of sticking an untested vaccine into the arms of billions of people please accept that.

[Iceman123]

Majority in hospital with COVID are the unvaxxed says Prime Minister Scott Morrison as case numbers continue to surge

There are 8 people in ICU in South Australia, Population 1.76 million 1 person on a ventilator - do you really want to extrapolate your stats from these numbers?

What else did you and your mates discuss in the bar?

[misskit]

Now back to mRNA - this was being discussed, developed and trialled over the last 40 years as gene therapy .For example in cancer patients. Never for vaccines It is entirely debatable as to the long term effects of sticking an untested vaccine into the arms of billions of people please accept that.

Gene therapy is when a defective gene is modified or repaired. This absolutely is NOT what mRNA vaccine does.

What Is mRNA? - Texas A&M Today


This is a news thread. Links are required.

[HermantheGerman]

Now back to mRNA - this was being discussed, developed and trialled over the last 40 years as gene therapy .For example in cancer patients. Never for vaccines It is entirely debatable as to the long term effects of sticking an untested vaccine into the arms of billions of people please accept that.

What else did you and your mates discuss in the bar?

Not this....

MAINZ, Germany, June 18, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) – BioNTech SE (NASDAQ: BNTX, “BioNTech” or “the Company”), announced today that the first patient has been treated in its BNT111 Phase 2 cancer vaccine trial (2020-002195-12; NCT04526899). The study is evaluating the Company’s therapeutic cancer vaccine candidate BNT111 in combination with Libtayo^® (cemiplimab) in patients with anti-PD1-refractory/relapsed unresectable Stage III or IV melanoma. BNT111 is the lead product candidate from BioNTech’s FixVac platform that targets a fixed combination of mRNA-encoded, tumor-associated antigens with the objective of triggering a strong and precise immune response against cancer and is fully owned by BioNTech.

BioNTech Announces First Patient Dosed in Phase 2 Clinical Trial of mRNA-based BNT111 in Patients with Advanced Melanoma | BioNTech


My question to you is: "What is driving your idiocy?"
Too dumb to Google, comprehend or just a Troll?

[Iceman123]

Gene therapy is when a defective gene is modified or repaired. This absolutely is NOT what mRNA vaccine does.

What Is mRNA? - Texas A&M Today


This is a news thread. Links are required.

COVID mRNA Vaccines are a Form of Gene Therapy - SWFI

Here is your link, hope you are happy now.

BTW you are insisting on links now, this surprises me, you refused to listen to the last link I sent.

[misskit]

^ From an investor magazine. OK. Whatever.

“Interestingly, depending on whether RNA-based vaccines are directed against tumors or infectious disease, they are formally considered gene therapy or not, respectively.”

The European Regulatory Environment of RNA-Based Vaccines - PubMed

[misskit]

BTW you are insisting on links now, this surprises me, you refused to listen to the last link I sent.

BTW this is a NEWS thread. Links should be from NEWS sources, not podcasts or blogs or investor magazines.

Start your own thread if you want to discuss your podcast.

[bsnub]

There are 8 people in ICU in South Australia, Population 1.76 million 1 person on a ventilator - do you really want to extrapolate your stats from these numbers?

What else did you and your mates discuss in the bar?

I can with the numbers from NSW...

The Prime Minister’s comments come as New South Wales recorded a sharp increase in hospitalisations for COVID-19 in the 24 hours to 8pm on Sunday, with 1204 people now admitted.
That number has increased by 138 from yesterday. There are 95 people in intensive care, up 12 from yesterday.
Four people died with the virus overnight and there were 96,765 PCR tests taken in the latest figures.
Total new case numbers for the state were 20,794 which was a jump from yesterday, but short of the record.

Clearly you didn't even bother to read the article I posted.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

As the borders of Australia and Israel have both been effectively closed for the period of the pandemic, then I think they are perfect examples highlighting that no matter what the vaccination rates were achieved, we were not containing the virus.
What happened to “Herd Immunity?” - another line fed to us.

I am not an anti-vaxxer, I have had two shots, I just won’t be experimented on anymore.

The Israeli tourist infected with covid and skipped quarantine last week in the news, demonstrates how closed the boarders of Israel are.

[HermantheGerman]

COVID mRNA Vaccines are a Form of Gene Therapy - SWFI

Here is your link, hope you are happy now.

BTW you are insisting on links now, this surprises me, you refused to listen to the last link I sent.

Nope, your article is old and you are holding on to what feeds your ...?... (whatever that is)

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.

Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes | Reuters

Why mRNA vaccines aren’t gene therapies




Do yourself a favor and don't spend all day in the internet trying to get some fake news.

[HermantheGerman]

BTW you are insisting on links now, this surprises me, you refused to listen to the last link I sent.

Because your links are ALL garbage and should be banned from the internet.

You know, like Donald Trump

Trump Banned from His Own Social Network | The New Yorker