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    It looks like scientists have identified the trigger for the blood clots that vaccinations can extremely rarely cause:

    Scientists may have identified trigger behind Covid vaccine-induced blood clots

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I can think of probably over a hundred people who've had it and one was on a ventilator for a month.
    I know two dead.

    is this a competition to see how fucking lucky you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    It looks like scientists have identified the trigger for the blood clots that vaccinations can extremely rarely cause:

    Scientists may have identified trigger behind Covid vaccine-induced blood clots
    Saw that, promising.

    The link further down the page though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The tabloids love that kind of shit.

    Mind you, so does my mum. Fuck knows why people enjoy reading such misery.

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    I wonder what else he'll be trying to glue shut.



    A man has been jailed for 12 weeks for gluing shut the doors of a COVID vaccination center in the U.K., in an act that prevented over 500 people from receiving their booster vaccinations.
    Hayden Brown, a 53-year-old man from Norfolk, appeared before Norwich Magistrate's Court on Wednesday, pleading guilty to criminal damage, according to Norfolk Constabulary.
    Brown also admitted to causing a public nuisance relating to the fact that he prevented COVID-19 booster vaccines from being administered to 504 vulnerable people.

    Man Who Glued Shut COVID Vaccine Center, Stopping Hundreds of Shots, Jailed

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I wonder what else he'll be trying to glue shut.

    Good. They should be even harsher on these wankers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You seem to think that you personally not knowing anyone who has died of Covid means you can make sneering remarks about it.
    Nail on head.

    It's unbe....ach, no. No it's totally believable how many such cnuts there are on here.

    So you lot don't know anyone who lost close family.

    Lucky you, and lucky them.

    Just count your blessings and stfu, eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Nail on head.

    It's unbe....ach, no. No it's totally believable how many such cnuts there are on here.

    So you lot don't know anyone who lost close family.

    Lucky you, and lucky them.

    Just count your blessings and stfu, eh.
    Totally missed the point.

    I'm against scaremongering and all for rational thought.

    Most people are gonna be just fine and, as Malmomike has pointed out countless times on this thread, we're at the point where we have to move on and accept that some lives are sadly gonna be lost unless we wanna stop living and basically bankrupt the world and kill even more people that way.

    Get over yourself with your sanctimonious bollocks.

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    The Covid cult, particularly among the liberal elite on the left, would be happy being locked down for eternity if it meant they could work from home and avoid those nasty traffic jams and mixing with the great unwashed to and from the office (and I say that as a leftie myself).

    Fuck the prole on the street who can't afford to feed his family anymore and is seeing his life fall apart because he can't get out to earn a crust. I'm alright Jack and doing just fine with the rest of the Champagne Socialists.

    Solidarity with the working class? Do me a favour. Marx would be turning in his grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    The Covid cult, particularly among the liberal elite on the left, would be happy being locked down for eternity if it meant they could work from home and avoid those nasty traffic jams and mixing with the great unwashed to and from the office (and I say that as a leftie myself).
    I worked from home before covid so that does not apply to me and most of the people in my field.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Fuck the prole on the street who can't afford to feed his family anymore and is seeing his life fall apart because he can't get out to earn a crust. I'm alright Jack and doing just fine with the rest of the Champagne Socialists.
    Where the fuck is that happening? Mumbai?



    Most people have left the low paying shit jobs because of this covid shit. They do not want to go back to low paying jobs with shit hours. Why do you think there are such huge problems getting people to drive lorries/trucks?

    It is shit work for little pay. Over the last year and a half, people have found they can get by without taking shit wages.

    The supply chain is fucked because of greedy corps that do not want to pay a livable wage. The top of those corps also are making record profits on stocks, real estate and just about anything because the wealthy prosper in a high inflation economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Solidarity with the working class? Do me a favour. Marx would be turning in his grave.
    Marx was a communist, not a socialist. Do your homework ffs.

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    The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing

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    Open AccessPublished:November 19, 2021

    "High COVID-19 vaccination rates were expected to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in populations by reducing the number of possible sources for transmission and thereby to reduce the burden of COVID-19 disease.

    Recent data, however, indicate that the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated individuals is increasing.

    In the UK it was described that secondary attack rates among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% for vaccinated vs 23% for unvaccinated). 12 of 31 infections in fully vaccinated household contacts (39%) arose from fully vaccinated epidemiologically linked index cases. Peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type.

    In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [[2]].

    This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27. October 2021 (Figure 1) providing clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission. A similar situation was described for the UK. Between week 39 and 42, a total of 100.160 COVID-19 cases were reported among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%), 3.395 among the unvaccinated (3.4%) [[3]]."

    DEFINE_ME

    It appears that the vaccinated are similar, if not becoming more prevalent, at being responsible for infecting other people with Covid-19, than the unvaccinated.

    As such, any lock-downs must include both segments, without distinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I worked from home before covid so that does not apply to me and most of the people in my field.



    Where the fuck is that happening? Mumbai?



    Most people have left the low paying shit jobs because of this covid shit. They do not want to go back to low paying jobs with shit hours. Why do you think there are such huge problems getting people to drive lorries/trucks?

    It is shit work for little pay. Over the last year and a half, people have found they can get by without taking shit wages.

    The supply chain is fucked because of greedy corps that do not want to pay a livable wage. The top of those corps also are making record profits on stocks, real estate and just about anything because the wealthy prosper in a high inflation economy.



    Marx was a communist, not a socialist. Do your homework ffs.
    Yes, snubby, all over the world. Like the rest of those in nice little earners on the left, you're completely out of touch with the working man on the street from your ivory tower in Seattle.

    Hence the term Champagne Socialist for those like you. You talk a good game at your dinner parties, but that's where it ends as far as any real concern goes for the working class.

    And do you not think I know who Marx is? I spent 5 years of my life wittering on about him for fucks sake. He first joined a Socialist movement of the time, but the point was neither Communism nor Socialism, so I'll forgive your mistake there.

    The point was the liberal elite not giving a fuck about what goes on in the real world for the average man on the street as long as they're doing just fine.
    Last edited by hallelujah; 02-12-2021 at 07:36 PM.

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    ^ I think a point you miss is what is happening in hospitals. I have had the misfortune of having to take my elderly mother to the emergency room twice since the pandemic. It is absolute hell. Too many people and too few doctors, nurses, aids, and rooms. People were lined up on the wall for two days to be admitted or treated. Don’t think for a minute that if you had a serious but curable problem that you would live. That includes those working people too.

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    ^ And there's another issue from this mess: people not being treated for severe illnesses because they're told to stay away from hospitals or are too afraid to visit because of the fear that has been instilled in them.

    I accept the situation isn't black and white, but we can't go on as we are. We have to learn to live with it and move on. Especially now that the vaccines have made such a difference.

    Also, if the US and the UK can spend so much money bombing other countries, I'm sure we can find a couple of quid to build a few more hospitals around the world too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    If the US and the UK can spend so much money bombing other countries, I'm sure we can find a couple of quid to build a few more hospitals too.
    Hospital space is not the problem. The lack of doctors, nurses, and techs is the problem. Of course we could import more nurses and CNAs from the Philippines and doctors from India and the Middle East but look what it would do to those countries. Where we could get all the people to do the cooking and cleaning, I don’t know other than those illegally crossing the Southern border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    US and the UK can spend so much money bombing other countries, I'm sure we can find a couple of quid to build a few more hospital
    The problem however is hospitals or medical facilities are only built if they can make money. It's not about caring for people. It is all big business. Patients are money in and money out.

    It's way easier to bomb other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Hospital space is not the problem. The lack of doctors, nurses, and techs is the problem. Of course we could import more nurses and CNAs from the Philippines and doctors from India and the Middle East but look what it would do to those countries. Where we could get all the people to do the cooking and cleaning, I don’t know other than those illegally crossing the Southern border.
    Not easy but getting doctors out of retirement, having junior ones do the more menial tasks etc.

    I think the first issue would be to deal with any bed shortages anyway but, thanks to the position we're in because of the vaccines, these aren't currently issues for the NHS in the UK.

    I'm certainly not ambivalent to people's suffering because of this disease, but we're gonna have to make tough decisions and accept there will be loss of life.

    Clearly, we're caught between a rock and a hard place, but pressing ahead with things appears to be a more viable option than the slow death and misery of millions more due to economies being crippled worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    The Covid cult, particularly among the liberal elite on the left, would be happy being locked down for eternity if it meant they could work from home and avoid those nasty traffic jams and mixing with the great unwashed to and from the office (and I say that as a leftie myself).

    Fuck the prole on the street who can't afford to feed his family anymore and is seeing his life fall apart because he can't get out to earn a crust. I'm alright Jack and doing just fine with the rest of the Champagne Socialists.

    Solidarity with the working class? Do me a favour. Marx would be turning in his grave.
    Oh listen to the champagne socialist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It appears that the vaccinated are similar, if not becoming more prevalent, at being responsible for infecting other people with Covid-19, than the unvaccinated.
    So the focus of this paper is:

    IF someone is vaccinated and IF they have a breakthrough infection they COULD be as infectious as someone unvaccinated and infected, but we won't say how soon after vaccinated because we don't have that data, and we won't say for how long, because we haven't got that data, and we won't say what impact the booster has, because we definitely haven't got that data either.

    Very fucking useful (OK not) and definitely something we've only known about since antibodies started waning six months after vaccination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    ^ And there's another issue from this mess: people not being treated for severe illnesses because they're told to stay away from hospitals or are too afraid to visit because of the fear that has been instilled in them.

    I accept the situation isn't black and white, but we can't go on as we are. We have to learn to live with it and move on. Especially now that the vaccines have made such a difference.

    Also, if the US and the UK can spend so much money bombing other countries, I'm sure we can find a couple of quid to build a few more hospitals around the world too.
    The death rate from that is probably bigger than covid but it will be impossible to calculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy View Post
    The problem however is hospitals or medical facilities are only built if they can make money. It's not about caring for people. It is all big business. Patients are money in and money out.

    It's way easier to bomb other countries.

    Yeah, You don't just build and staff hospitals for the maximum number of patients you expect in a worst case scenario.

    I am reminded of people whining in Phuket in 2004 because they didn't have morgue space for thousands of bodies.

    WTF were they supposed to with that many morgues when only a few hundred people died each year under normal circumstances?

    They've compensated for this pandemic by building field hospitals to take the load off, but you can't just build ICU's and magically invent the team of professionals required to run them, especially when they're in demand all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Not easy but getting doctors out of retirement, having junior ones do the more menial tasks etc.

    I think the first issue would be to deal with any bed shortages anyway but, thanks to the position we're in because of the vaccines, these aren't currently issues for the NHS in the UK.

    I'm certainly not ambivalent to people's suffering because of this disease, but we're gonna have to make tough decisions and accept there will be loss of life.

    Clearly, we're caught between a rock and a hard place, but pressing ahead with things appears to be a more viable option than the slow death and misery of millions more due to economies being crippled worldwide.
    Doctors are discharging patients earlier than before to free up beds, was on the news last night. Many hospitals are struggling and have high incidences of burnt out and sick staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    IF they have a breakthrough infection
    Doesn't need to be a breakthrough infection, all vaccinated or not and irrespective of the variant, can carry and pass on the virus. As the scientists are now belatedly acknowledging.

    Hence, my post that vaccinated or not, all lockdowns/restrictions must include the vaccinated and the unvaccinated equally. With no leeway for the vaccinated, as you and some country's health authorities, apparently promote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    all vaccinated or not and irrespective of the variant, can carry and pass on the virus. As the scientists are now belatedly acknowledging.
    Good Lord, you are so full of shit. This has been known and 'acknowledged' for a while now and is available for viewing on government websites at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Hence, my post that vaccinated or not, all lockdowns/restrictions must include the vaccinated and the unvaccinated equally. With no leeway for the vaccinated, as you and some country's health authorities, apparently promote.
    Except this is bollocks as is the norm from you. The vaccinated are NOT as likely to spread the virus as the unvaccinated over the course of any infection given the speed at which they are able to rid themselves of the virus and lower their viral load.

    No, vaccinated people are not 'just as infectious' as unvaccinated people if they get COVID

    You'''re Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You'''re Vaccinated

    Do you ever get anything right? Ever? Like just once?
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