The COVID-2019 Thread

[harrybarracuda]

Its like pissing in the wind. Every time I have a moment of curiosity and stream local US news they hyperventilate about the unvaccinated and love to finger point, but really, its just the stupid virus being an asshole.

It's exactly as expected.

With more people vaccinated, you can expect more vaccinated people to get infected.

What is important is:

Turning covid-19 into a nuisance cold instead of a potentially fatal pneumonia was the main goal of the shots.

“People should be reassured that if they are fully vaccinated that they are very likely, highly likely, to be protected against severe or critical illness, the kind of illness that would cause them to be hospitalized or killed by this virus.

And it's important that the vaccinated don't get all complacent and give up Covid hygiene measures.

[harrybarracuda]

Vietnam recommending home quarantine.

COVID-19 patients with no symptoms will quarantine at home for 14 days

Patients with locally acquired COVID-19 showing no symptoms, and with no underlying disease or obesity, will now be under a 14-day home quarantine, according to new guidelines released by the Ho Chi Minh City Department of Health on July 29.

https://en.vietnamplus.vn/covid19-patients-with-no-symptoms-will-quarantine-at-home-for-14-days/205578.vnp

[DC101]

The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
'When the history books are written, they'll say these people were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands in developing countries who won't take AZ because of their anti-vaxx scare stories.'

We see that in Thailand too. People won't take the vaccine because they are scared by fake news originally started by EU and French president Macron, Thai vaccination rate is low. Astra Zeneca is only viable option for the population because of not only the license free cost but there's also alternative requirement of the cold chain of other vaccines. Most of the world can't hold and deliver vaccine between -80c to -60c.

Perfectly safe Astra Zeneca vaccine- as safe as any other vaccine - was branded unreliable by the European Union, the French President, without any scientific reason = Brexit hate - people die when when poor countries pull out from Astra Zeneca who would give it to them license free and wait for Sinovac -it's a bad calculation they would be buying some future French vaccine

[Shutree]

Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media

A Covid outbreak first discovered in the Chinese city of Nanjing has spread to five provinces and Beijing, with state media calling it the most extensive contagion after Wuhan.

Almost 200 people have been infected since the virus was first detected at the city's busy airport on 20 July.

All flights from Nanjing airport will be suspended until 11 August, according to local media.

Officials also began city-wide testing amid criticism for their "failure".

All 9.3 million of the city's residents - including those visiting - will be tested, said state-controlled Xinhua news.

Nanjing: New virus outbreak worst since Wuhan, say Chinese state media - BBC News

We have already been told by the Chinese government that the BBC is a purveyor of 'fake news'. So when the BBC quotes Xinhua we seem to have an awkward dichotomy.

[Slick]

It's exactly as expected.

With more people vaccinated, you can expect more vaccinated people to get infected.

No, thats not what they've been selling, thats a goalpost shift which is why the article was written. What that data shows is that even vaccinated people will spread the delta variant which in turn leads to more mutations and variants which in turn leads to more bullshit and shots and profits for pharmaceutical corporations while adding extended hardships and burdens on the populace.

If it was simply about stopping hospitalization and death (which I agree with) then it would be pretty much job done at this point, but its not, and its clear this is going to keep going and going and going.

Plus the media "outrage" and shaming of the unvaccinated, meanwhile the vaccinated are still spreading the shit at almost the same frequency.

[David48atTD]

DC101 ... if you are going to quote a source, you need to provide a link to that source.

The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
'When the history books are written, they'll say these people were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands in developing countries who won't take AZ because of their anti-vaxx scare stories.'
etc
etc

[DC101]

Sorry, I haven't learned to quote here, I thought original quote stayed the same, I made my comment, then my comment shows in format of the original quote.

So please forgive me. Joined today.

It was said (as a quote from - unnamed)
"The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
'When the history books are written, they'll say these people were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands in developing countries who won't take AZ because of their anti-vaxx scare stories.'"

I said:
We see that in Thailand too. People won't take the vaccine because they are scared by fake news originally started by EU and French president Macron, Thai vaccination rate is low. Astra Zeneca is only viable option for the population because of not only the license free cost but there's also alternative requirement of the cold chain of other vaccines. Most of the world can't hold and deliver vaccine between -80c to -60c.

Perfectly safe Astra Zeneca vaccine- as safe as any other vaccine - was branded unreliable by the European Union, the French President, without any scientific reason = Brexit hate - people die when when poor countries pull out from Astra Zeneca who would give it to them license free and wait for Sinovac -it's a bad calculation they would be buying some future French vaccine

--- Hopefully that is in clear Arial font now

And what's with the smileys Bart Simpsons ass and weird animations why not use standard smileys

[David48atTD]

And what's with the smileys Bart Simpsons ass and weird animations why not use standard smileys

All part of the fun of TeakDoor?

[lom]

It was said (as a quote from - unnamed)
"The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
'When the history books are written, they'll say these people were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands in developing countries who won't take AZ because of their anti-vaxx scare stories.'"

There is no difference between bollox, taken out of the air, and quotes from "unnamed"..

[DC101]

Sorry for the font thing,

This was mentioned by the earlier poster, I guess it would be the Politico. What I commented is not based on whatever Politico or whoever said or didn't.

I tried to say

We see that in Thailand too. People won't take the vaccine because they are scared by fake news originally started by EU and French president Macron, Thai vaccination rate is low. Astra Zeneca is only viable option for the population because of not only the license free cost but there's also alternative requirement of the cold chain of other vaccines. Most of the world can't hold and deliver vaccine between -80c to -60c.

Perfectly safe Astra Zeneca vaccine- as safe as any other vaccine - was branded unreliable by the European Union, the French President, without any scientific reason = Brexit hate - people die when when poor countries pull out from Astra Zeneca who would give it to them license free and wait for Sinovac -it's a bad calculation they would be buying some future French vaccine

--and still can't find copy plaintext

[DC101]

Putting aside who and why, can you see the logic and reasoning why EU might want - and actively did - to disgrace British-developed drug after Britain exited from EU?

[DC101]

Great! no idea what this means

[Shutree]

We see that in Thailand too. People won't take the vaccine

Really? In this part of Isan people are clamouring for the vaccine, any vaccine. There are very limited and randomly available numbers of doses available and the local centre is mobbed whenever people hear that vaccine is in town.
People here are cursing the government for failing to get vaccines to them.

[cyrille]

Yeah, making up 'facts' to suit your argument there in 'Europe', about what 'we' see in Thailand.

Sure, Prayut was sniffy at first about whether or not AZ was good enough for Thais, but that seems a long, long time ago now.

[harrybarracuda]

No, thats not what they've been selling, thats a goalpost shift which is why the article was written. What that data shows is that even vaccinated people will spread the delta variant which in turn leads to more mutations and variants which in turn leads to more bullshit and shots and profits for pharmaceutical corporations while adding extended hardships and burdens on the populace.

If it was simply about stopping hospitalization and death (which I agree with) then it would be pretty much job done at this point, but its not, and its clear this is going to keep going and going and going.

Plus the media "outrage" and shaming of the unvaccinated, meanwhile the vaccinated are still spreading the shit at almost the same frequency.

You're being fucking dumb again.

According to an analysis carried out by Public Health England, two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine appeared to be about 88 percent effective against symptomatic disease and 96 percent effective against hospitalization with the delta variant.The same study suggested that the vaccine was approximately 80 percent effective against preventing infection from the delta variant. Scientists came to this conclusion after analyzing 14,019 people with an infection, 166 of whom were hospitalized, in England.
Vaccines had a protective effect against infections with delta and hospital cases were milder, the study found.

Do you understand what that means?

I'll explain it anyway.

Four out of five Pfizer-vaccinated people WILL NOT GET INFECTED.

What you are talking about is the risk of those who do spreading the virus is the same as it is for unvaccinated.

There is no argument to remain unvaccinated apart from being a trumpanzee dumbarse.

[Switch]

Putting aside who and why, can you see the logic and reasoning why EU might want - and actively did - to disgrace British-developed drug after Britain exited from EU?

The argument you published is tenuous at best.

The problem in Thailand is a very poorly organized and slow rollout. AZ vaccines produced under license in Thailand were mostly for export. The Thai government have to wait their turn the same as every other country, foe whatever vaccine they order. Orders are processed as they are received. It has nothing to do with the location, and ownership of the franchise producer.

Thailand was at the back of the AZ queue because they were late in ordering. Most of the vaccines they have received are therefore Sinovac, because Chinese labs produce more vaccines than anywhere else in the world. The biggest, or the first vaccine to get licensed are not always the best. China does not have the best reputation for quality in any kind of manufacturing.

[DC101]

It does sound like we don't speak about the same thing. I fully agree as you said "very poorly organized and slow rollout" which is a result of having dysfunctional, slow, hierarchic de facto mi. L341 g.ovt.

As for Astra Zeneca, as you said, Thai ordered late, like the EU who are the bad guy in this story stealing vaccines from poorer countries - so sue Astra Zeneca - they shipped to customers who were supporting them from the beginning - and see how it goes. Not much goodwill coming from rest of the world for EU is there? Astra Zeneca Oxford gives vaccine free to the world, and it happens to be best and only vaccine for less developed countries without infrastructure for extreme cold chain.

Astra Zeneca Oxford scientists made a super job and I salute them. Perhaps they saved the world but we'll never know.

[aging one]

Astra Zeneca Oxford scientists made a super job and I salute them. Perhaps they saved the world but we'll never know.

WTF are you talking about?

[Samuel]

Astra Zeneca Oxford scientists made a super job and I salute them. Perhaps they saved the world but we'll never know.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm not sure either — though, he may be referring to the fact that AZ has promised to supply the world with something like 2 billion doses — at cost.

Meanwhile, Pfizer and Moderna are profiting, with prices ten times higher than AZ.

I wouldn't be surprised if AZ gets awards for their work — maybe a Nobel peace prize?

[tunk]

Really? In this part of Isan people are clamouring for the vaccine, any vaccine. There are very limited and randomly available numbers of doses available and the local centre is mobbed whenever people hear that vaccine is in town.
People here are cursing the government for failing to get vaccines to them.

Exactly. Here in Ubon, just give us a vaccine, any fucking vaccine. Makes my sick to read them talk about giving people in Phuket a 3rd shot. Maybe you can travel to BKK and get vaccinated. Who the fuck wants to travel to the hotbed of covid to get vaccinated?

[Happy As Larry]

Really? In this part of Isan people are clamouring for the vaccine, any vaccine. There are very limited and randomly available numbers of doses available and the local centre is mobbed whenever people hear that vaccine is in town.
People here are cursing the government for failing to get vaccines to them.

In my part of Isaan people are clamouring for vaccine BUT NOT any vaccine but do curse the government for failing to get the vaccine to them.
After well over a month having had all the residents details the local health volunteers returned to the village last week to say that our part of the village
(50+ adult residents) can have 3 places in the next round of vaccinations. When told it was Sinovac no one took up the offer..

Most would now rather have Moderna, if they can afford, it but at this point calling round the local hospitals receives the response of ' Registrations are closed for any possible October vaccination but call back then to see if registration will be open again for 1QTR 2022'

[Samuel]

Teachers at my uni received AZ last month — though, I decided to wait for Moderna and already paid for two doses with a nearby hospital here in Bangkok.

Apparently, the doses will get administered Oct-Dec.


It's a bit of a wait — though I am pretty safe working from home.

[PAG]

Exactly. Here in Ubon, just give us a vaccine, any fucking vaccine. Makes my sick to read them talk about giving people in Phuket a 3rd shot. Maybe you can travel to BKK and get vaccinated. Who the fuck wants to travel to the hotbed of covid to get vaccinated?

Must admit, the only 3rd shot that I've read about here in Phuket is for medical staff, and no idea if/when that is supposed to be happening. I agree, the focus on getting Phuket people vaccinated because of the Sandbox programme isn't giving many of us living here a warm and fuzzy feeling. In truth though, the number of doses dispensed, if used across the country would hardly have made a difference to the deficiencies being experienced now. It's not as if the Sandbox has made a tangible difference to the Phuket economy. It hasn't, and businesses will continue to go to the wall.

[misskit]

China outbreak spreads as WHO sounds alarm on Delta

BEIJING: Mushrooming outbreaks of the highly contagious Delta variant prompted China and Australia to impose stricter COVID-19 restrictions on Saturday (July 31) as the WHO urged the world to quickly contain the mutation before it turns into something deadlier and draws out the pandemic.

China’s most serious surge of coronavirus infections in months spread to two more areas Saturday ‒ Fujian province and the sprawling megacity of Chongqing.


More than 200 cases have been linked to a Delta cluster in Nanjing city where nine cleaners at an international airport tested positive, with the outbreak spanning Beijing, Chongqing and five provinces as of Saturday.

The nation where the disease first emerged has rushed to prevent the highly transmissible strain from taking root by putting more than one million people under lockdown and reinstituting mass testing campaigns.


Worldwide, coronavirus infections are once again on the upswing, with the World Health Organization announcing an 80 percent average increase over the past four weeks in five of the health agency’s six regions, a jump largely fuelled by the Delta variant.


First detected in India, it has now reached 132 countries and territories.


“Delta is a warning: it’s a warning that the virus is evolving but it is also a call to action that we need to move now before more dangerous variants emerge," the WHO’s emergencies director Michael Ryan told a press conference.


He stressed that the “game plan” still works, namely physical distancing, wearing masks, hand hygiene and vaccination.


But both high- and low-income countries are struggling to gain the upper hand against Delta, with the vastly unequal sprint for shots leaving plenty of room for variants to wreak havoc and further evolve.


In Australia, where only about 14% of the population is jabbed, the third-largest city of Brisbane and other parts of Queensland state were to enter a snap COVID-19 lockdown Saturday as a cluster of the Delta variant bubbled into six new cases.


“The only way to beat the Delta strain is to move quickly, to be fast and to be strong,” Queensland’s Deputy Premier Steven Miles said while informing millions they will be under three days of strict stay-at-home orders.




‘The war has changed’


The race for vaccines to triumph over variants appeared to suffer a blow as the US Centers for Disease Control released an analysis that found fully immunised people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant can spread the disease as easily as unvaccinated people.


While the jabs remain effective against severe disease and death, the US government agency said in a leaked internal CDC document “the war has changed” as a result of Delta.


An analysis of a superspreading event in the northeastern state of Massachusetts found three-quarters of the people sickened were vaccinated, according to a report the CDC published Friday.


The outbreak related to July 4 festivities, with the latest number of people infected swelling to 900, according to local reports. The findings were used to justify a return to masks for vaccinated people in high-risk areas.


“As a vaccinated person, if you have one of these breakthrough infections, you may have mild symptoms, you may have no symptoms, but based on what we’re seeing here you could be contagious to other people,” Celine Gounder, an infectious diseases physician and professor at New York University, told AFP.

According to the leaked CDC document, a review of findings from other countries showed that while the original SARS-CoV-2 was as contagious as the common cold, each person with Delta infects on average eight others, making it as transmissible as chickenpox but still less than measles.


Reports from Canada, Scotland and Singapore suggest Delta infections may also be more severe, resulting in more hospitalisations.


Asked if Americans should expect new recommendations from health authorities or new restrictive measures, US President Joe Biden responded, “in all probability”, before leaving the White House by helicopter for the weekend.


He did not specify what steps could be taken.

China outbreak spreads as WHO sounds alarm on Delta

[Samuel]

In truth though, the number of doses dispensed, if used across the country would hardly have made a difference to the deficiencies being experienced now.

Yep, the plan was to slowly open up the country to tourists with Phuket as an example — not using that many doses in the big scheme of things.

It's not as if the Sandbox has made a tangible difference to the Phuket economy. It hasn't, and businesses will continue to go to the wall.

It was a good idea, initially — when the Indian strain of the Wuhan virus hadn't hit Thailand hard, yet.