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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Can't read your article in the link except for "Blood on their hands"

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    (if you would copy-paste)
    Here ya go:

    Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine is just as likely to trigger blood clots as AstraZeneca's, according to a study that has prompted fury among UK Government officials.
    Scientists compared rates of thrombosis among more than 1.3million recipients of either jab in Spain.
    Both vaccines came with a tiny risk of causing blood clots, with scientists branding their safety profiles 'broadly similar'. Pfizer's jab may even be more likely to trigger the rare blood-clotting complication, the data suggested.
    In contrast, the virus itself was eight times more likely to lead to thromboembolism than either jab.
    The findings go against an array of research saying the opposite, with health chiefs yet to uncover a link between Pfizer's vaccine and blood clots.
    Safety concerns over AstraZeneca's jab first emerged in January, and prompted EU nations to shun the British-made vaccine en masse.
    Top scientists insisted the jab was safe and would save thousands of lives, leading to claims the bloc heavyweights were using the vaccine to play post-Brexit politics.
    In light of the new findings, one UK Government official accused European leaders of having 'blood on their hands' for trashing the life-saving jab.

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    The experts noted the difference between the levels of conditions they expected to see (squares) in the general population and compared this to the cases they observed (circles) in people who received a vaccine or who caught Covid. The biggest change was seen among people who caught Covid, with the risk of developing a blood clot in the vein - called venous thromboembolism - jumping from from 62 to 499


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    Scientists noted that the different ages and health conditions of people who were given the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccine may have affected their findings. Of the 945,941 people who received one Pfizer jab (left), the average age was 75, while the 778,534 people fully immunised with Pfizer (middle) were aged 77 on average. But those who got one dose of AstraZeneca had an average age of 61 (right). The study was conducted in Spain, where national guidelines issued in March restricted the use of the Oxford jab to people in their 60s

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    The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
    'When the history books are written, they'll say these people were directly responsible for the deaths of thousands in developing countries who won't take AZ because of their anti-vaxx scare stories.'
    Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines linked to very rare heart condition

    British health chiefs have warned Pfizer and Moderna's coronavirus vaccines may cause heart damage.
    Since the vaccine rollout has been expanded to children in countries including the US and Israel, there have been reports of an extremely rare reported cases of myocarditis and pericarditis.
    Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis is when the protective layer around the heart gets inflamed.
    There are no specific causes of the conditions but they are usually triggered by a virus.
    The UK is expected to wait for more data from clinical trials and other countries immunising children before making a decision to offer all youngster the jab.
    The US, Israel and France are already giving the vaccine to over-12s.
    Earlier this month, vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said the government had concerns about 'very rare' cases of heart inflammation in young people following the virus.
    The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency insists the complication – inflammation of the heart muscle which can damage the organ over time – is still 'extremely rare' and 'typically mild'.
    Data from the US — where cases of myocarditis have been spotted — suggests the complication is most common in boys and young men.













    Covid vaccines have drastically slashed the risk of severe illness, hospitalisation and death from the virus.
    Their rapid roll-out has allowed Britain to remove most remaining lockdown-esque restrictions, with ministers confident in how well they work.
    But they have been linked to extremely rare complications, with AstraZeneca's jab thought to cause blood clots in 11 in every 100,000 recipients.
    Johnson & Johnson's single-dose jab — which works in a very similar way — has also been linked to the same complication.
    However, regulators have not spotted any consistent trend between Pfizer's mRNA vaccine and blood clots. Its jab — linked to a very rare kind of heart inflammation — is based on pioneering technology.
    Several countries in Europe stopped using the Oxford-designed AstraZeneca jab in March after a series of blood clots, with younger people facing a slightly higher risk.
    Regulators analysed the data and found benefits vastly outweighed the risk for most.
    But in the absence of doubt, UK health chiefs opted against routinely offering the jab to under-40s, who face a vanishingly rare risk of dying from Covid.
    Since findings first emerged, there has been concern about the vaccine and its side effects, which experts fear has fuelled hesitancy among some groups in the UK and overseas.
    The study, soon to be published in The Lancet, only looked at data from Catalonia — one region of Spain.
    Independent scientists have yet to scrutinise the findings through a process known as peer-review, meaning the data remains unverified.
    Researchers from the Foundation University Institute for Primary Health Care Research in Barcelona were behind the study, which also involved a team from Oxford and the Netherlands.
    They compared rates of three different types of blood-clotting events among 1.3million people jabbed with either Pfizer or AstraZeneca.
    Data was then compared to a control group of 4.5million people, to work out how whether the events were happening any more often than expected.
    And the team, led by Ed Burn, a researcher associate in real world health economics at the University of Oxford, also looked at the medical records of 220,000 patients who had also had Covid, which is known to increase the risk of clots.
    Results showed 211 people given a first dose of Pfizer developed blood clots in the veins or lungs, known as deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism.
    For comparison, the scientists — who received funding off the European Medicines Agency — calculated the background rate to be 169 in the general population.
    This equates to a 25 per cent increase among Pfizer recipients, based on the researchers figures.
    They saw slightly more blood clot cases in people who got AstraZeneca's (39 cases compared to 35) but the overall risk was lower than from Pfizer's.
    Experts expected to see less cases among those receiving the Oxford vaccine, because the number of participants who received that jab was less.
    They found this equated to a 20 per cent risk among AstraZeneca recipients of getting blood clots in the veins.
    The Pfizer jab was not linked to blood clots with second doses, while the study did not examine people who got a second dose of AstraZeneca.
    Risk of blood clots in the arteries — which are more serious — were similar between both jabs and lower than the rates experts expected to see.
    Meanwhile, the risk of suffering the exact complication that spooked health chiefs around the world was low among both AstraZeneca and Pfizer recipients.

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    Scientists found both the AstraZeneca vaccine (right) and Pfizer (left) came with a tiny risk of causing blood clots, with scientists branding their safety profiles 'broadly similar'. Pfizer's jab may even be more likely to trigger the rare blood-clotting complication, the data suggested

    The side effect — clots occurring alongside low platelet levels (thrombocytopenia) —occurred nine times in people who had the Pfizer jab when 20 were expected.
    Meanwhile less than five cases were recorded in those who had the Oxford jab, so researchers could not draw a conclusion.
    The risk of developing a blood clot in the vein alongside thrombocytopenia was four times higher from Covid.
    And overall, the risk of clots was up to eight times higher from coronavirus than the two vaccines.
    The experts noted that the participants included in the study may have swayed the result, with those who received the Pfizer jab were on average in their mid-70s.
    Meanwhile, those who received AstraZeneca had an average age of 61.
    The prevalence of health conditions that raise the risk of clots in the Pfizer cohort was also much higher.
    Professor Kevin McConway, an emeritus professor of applied statistics at the Open University, said the findings on thrombocytopenia 'aren't very conclusive because the condition is so rare'.
    Additionally, some of the differences between the groups who received the Oxford and Pfizer jabs 'are pretty large', including underlying health conditions and age, because national recommendations changed earlier this year.
    All of the participants were based in Spain, which changed its policy towards the the rollout of the AstraZeneca jab.
    Initially the Oxford vaccine was restricted to essential workers under 55, but after safety concerns emerged, this was restricted to just 60 to 65-year-olds, before being for all people in their 60s.
    Professor McConway said: 'These differences could, in part or in whole, be the cause of any increased risk on blood clotting in vaccinated people, or any differences between the two vaccines.
    'This means that the study cannot tell us whether any differences, or lack of differences, between people using the two vaccines or between vaccinated people and the general population, are actually caused by the vaccines. They might be, but they might not.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Here ya go:
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    This means that the study cannot tell us whether any differences, or lack of differences, between people using the two vaccines or between vaccinated people and the general population, are actually caused by the vaccines. They might be, but they might not.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    The unnamed Whitehall insider told Politico: 'We now know what we all suspected is true, they did it out of spite for Britain because of Brexit.
    Give me a fucking break.
    We were promised these vaccines, needed them and paid for them.

    Paranoia

    No wonder it's an un-named insider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    British health chiefs have warned Pfizer and Moderna's coronavirus vaccines may cause heart damage.
    I heard that too

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post

    Give me a fucking break.
    We were promised these vaccines, needed them and paid for them.

    Paranoia

    No wonder it's an un-named insider.

    Shameful
    Yeah, the Daily Hate will never turn down the opportunity to have a pop at the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    Of course, my point was related to the hammering the AZ vaccine has taken when it appears that any slight risk is similar to Pfizer etc.
    Oh don't worry they've been hammering Pfzer for Myocarditis instead.

    Also significantly worse with Covid.

    Stupid right wing fucking press sensationalising every fucking snippet they get their hands on.

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    Harry, remember you hate the commies for covering up shit, but only when it suits you.

    snippets can form a result.....

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Stupid right wing fucking press sensationalising every fucking snippet they get their hands on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Currently the armed forces cannot command US troops to be jabbed because they aren’t FDA approved. All changes once FDA approved.
    Coming soon so as all of us who served, will be just another of the many vaccines we got during basic training.

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    Over 4 million Chinese petition WHO to probe Fort Detrick lab on COVID-19 origins

    Over 4 million Chinese netizens have signed an open letter as of Wednesday morning, demanding the World Health Organization (WHO) investigate the US' Fort Detrick lab on COVID-19 origins, and the number is still increasing.

    The letter was issued as the WHO on Friday proposed a second phase of studies into the origins of the coronavirus in China, including "audits of laboratories and markets in Wuhan," calling for "transparency" from authorities. The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Monday said the latest proposal was not consistent with the position of China and many countries, and urged the WHO to work with the international community to resist the adverse trend of politicizing the COVID-19 origins issue.

    A group of Chinese netizens drafted an open letter to ask the WHO to investigate the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland, And entrusted the Global Times with posting the letter on its WeChat and Weibo platforms on Saturday to solicit public response.

    They said in the letter that to prevent the next epidemic, the WHO should pay special attention to labs that are conducting studies on dangerous viruses or even biochemical weapons. The open letter particularly noted the Fort Detrick lab, which stores the most deadly and infectious viruses in the world, including Ebola, smallpox, SARS, MERS and the novel coronavirus. The leak of any of them would cause severe danger to the world.

    Prior to this, the same group published an open letter in June calling for the WHO to investigate Fort Detrick.

    The Global Times also launched an online poll on Saturday, and over 90 percent of the 18,000 respondents agreed that the WHO should investigate the Fort Detrick biological lab, as of press time Monday.

    At Monday's press conference, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said the US should be transparent and face up to the calls of the international community, including the Chinese, and give a satisfactory response to the open letter and online poll.

    The public and the media are trying to get answers to questions that the international community has been asking for a while. However, some people in the US have been keeping the public in the dark, Zhao said.

    "Please answer the following questions: First, what's the connection between the Fort Detrick lab and the unexplained respiratory diseases like those suspected with vaping? Second, why hasn't the US invited the WHO to conduct a thorough investigation at Fort Detrick? Third, why can't international experts visit the US for tracing virus origins since they have visited China?" Zhao asked.

    On WHO's proposal for a follow-up study into the origins, Zhao said that it was not consistent with the position of China and many other countries. China hopes that the WHO will have full communication with member states, listen to and adopt opinions of all parties and ensure that the drafting process of the phase-II study is open and transparent.

    China is concerned about the politicization of the coronavirus origins tracing by some countries. We hope that the WHO,in the spirit of scientific professionalism and objectivity, will work with the international community to resist the adverse trend of politicizing the issue, Zhao said.

    Yang Zhanqiu, a deputy director of the pathogen biology department at Wuhan University, told the Global Times that almost all prevailing coronavirus variants have been discovered in the US. By comparison, the virus strain found in China has no bearing with many variants. Therefore, it is appropriate to carry out a virus origins probe in the US, said Yang.

    The virologist also called on the US to hand over blood samples of those COVID-19 patients, and disclose more information about the country's epidemiologic survey, to give a clearer picture of the relation between US cases and those of other countries. He said that US labs keep blood samples dating back to the 1980s.

    In June, a study of more than 24,000 samples taken for a National Institutes of Health (NIH) research program in the US between January 2 and March 18, 2020, found that seven people in five states - Illinois, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - may have been infected with COVID-19 well before the country's first confirmed cases reported in January 21, 2020.

    The WHO-China joint study report issued on March 30, 2021, reached a clear conclusion and offered suggestions for the next phase of global study into the origins, which concluded that the Wuhan "lab leak" hypothesis is extremely unlikely, and that we should look for possible early cases of the outbreak more widely around the world and further understand the role of cold chains and frozen food.

    Zhao said that the conclusions and recommendations of this report should be respected and upheld, and be reflected in the next phase of studies into the origins of COVID-19.

    Update: Over 4 million Chinese petition WHO to probe Fort Detrick lab on COVID-19 origins - Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Harry, remember you hate the commies for covering up shit, but only when it suits you.

    snippets can form a result.....
    Anyone who plays up vaccine risks to mislead people is not only a danger to public health but are the very c u n t s keeping this fucking shit going.

    That's my only side in this argument.

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    Well fuck.

    C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox

    Infections in vaccinated Americans also may be as transmissible as those in unvaccinated people, the document said, and lead more often to severe illness.
    C.D.C. Internal Report Calls Delta Variant as Contagious as Chickenpox - The New York Times

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    PORTSMOUTH, Va. (WAVY) — All military members and civilian Department of Defense employees are now required to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination status.

    If not, they’ll need to wear a mask at all times.

    Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Jamal Brown issued a statement Thursday night saying the DoD was “moving quickly” to meet President Joe Biden’s commitment to reduce the spread of COVID-19.


    On Thursday, Biden announced a vaccine mandate for federal workers, meaning they’ll need to “attest” to their vaccination status or otherwise be required to wear a mask, physically distance, comply with a regular testing requirement and be subject to official travel restrictions.


    Biden and the military’s mandate is in effect regardless of the transmission risk for COVID-19 in the locality where workers live and work.


    DoD will require military workforce to provide proof of vaccination — those who don’t will be subject to restrictions | WAVY.com

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    ABC News contacted 50 hospitals in 17 states, and asked them to share data on their ICU wards' current COVID-19 patients, including their vaccination status. In the surveyed hospitals, ABC News found that the overwhelming majority of COVID-19 patients currently being treated in ICUs were unvaccinated.

    Of the 271 total COVID patients in the surveyed ICUs, 255 patients, or approximately 94%, were unvaccinated against COVID-19 in ABC News' snapshot in time.

    Further, of the 16 vaccinated individuals receiving care in the ICU, almost all suffered from comorbidities and other
    health problems, such as cancer or weakened immune systems. ABC News only heard of one otherwise healthy and fully vaccinated individual, with no reported underlying conditions, who was in the ICU.


    Vast majority of ICU patients with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, ABC News survey finds - ABC News

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    Phuket governor orders entire island sealed off

    The Phuket governor has ordered the entire island sealed off, with travellers from other provinces not allowed to enter Phuket starting from Aug 3, while the fate of the Phuket Sandbox scheme is yet to be determined.

    A provincial order, signed by Governor Narong Woonciew on Thursday, outlined the stiffer travel restrictions in Phuket. People from outside the province are prohibited from travelling to Phuket with the exception of those transporting essential goods, students, and emergency medical services. Those exempt are still required to be fully vaccinated and have proof to show at the entry checkpoint.

    Meanwhile, Department of Disease Control (DDC) director-general Kajornsak Kaewjaras said the department will monitor the Covid-19 situation in Phuket for another two weeks to decide whether to keep the Phuket Sandbox scheme.

    Phuket, he said, has done a good job controlling Covid-19 transmissions in the province, as of the 12,395 foreigners visiting the island province, 30 infected people have been identified and quarantined.

    "In this respect, the province has succeeded in tracking down all infected visitors and preventing transmissions from spreading to communities," he said.


    Dr Kajornsak said local tourism- related businesses have also complied with containment measures. The DDC said that a total of 148 cases were reported in Phuket over the past week. All were brought in from other provinces. Some are Phuket residents who worked in other at-risk provinces and returned to the province to seek medical treatment.


    Nevertheless, Dr Kajornsak said that those who are at high risk will be isolated at local quarantine facilities. "Currently, there are nine active infection clusters in Phuket and all infected people from the clusters have now been quarantined," he said.


    "The DDC will wait for two weeks to assess whether local quarantine facilities will have enough capacity to accommodate any new patients."

    The healthcare system in Phuket is currently at 36% of its capacity and can still handle new cases, without serious cases that require ventilators, he said.

    Dr Kajornsak said recent inspections at construction worker camps by Mr Narong found there were no infections reported in them. The bubble and seal approach has also been enforced in a further 800 worker camps as a precaution without the need for testing, he said. "The Phuket Sandbox scheme should be able to continue for now," Dr Kajornsak said.


    "We need another two weeks to assess the situation and look at the number of patients before deciding whether the scheme should carry on."


    Phuket governor orders entire island sealed off

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    This is going to excite Fondles

    CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak

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    Thu, July 29, 2021, 1:49 PM·4 min read



    A week after the crowds descended upon Provincetown, Massachusetts, to celebrate the Fourth of July -- the holiday President Joe Biden hoped would mark the nation's liberation from COVID-19 -- the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of "a handful of positive COVID cases among folks" who spent time there.
    "We are in touch with the Health Department and Outer Cape Health Services and are closely monitoring the data," Alex Morse told reporters.
    The announcement wasn't unusual with roughly half of the country still unvaccinated and flare-ups of the virus popping up in various states.
    But within weeks, health officials seemed to be on to something much bigger. The outbreak quickly grew to the hundreds and most of them appeared to be vaccinated.

    MORE: Vast majority of ICU patients with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, ABC News survey finds

    As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized.
    The initial findings of the investigation led by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, seemed to have huge implications.


    CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak

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    And in England.
    Cases drop...


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    a total of 148 cases were reported in Phuket over the past week. All were brought in from other provinces
    How many have been found to have been infected in Phuket but travelled elsewhere in Thailand? Or are foreign tourists and Thais tourists kept inside the "bubble"?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    with the exception of those transporting essential goods, students, and emergency medical services. Those exempt are still required to be fully vaccinated and have proof to show at the entry checkpoint.
    All of whom are potential pandemic carriers, vaccinated/documented or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    recent inspections at construction worker camps by Mr Narong found there were no infections reported in them.
    Who did the "inspections", how were "inspections" carried out, what is the data, where was it published.

    If it was by:

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    Governor Narong Woonciew
    and his employees, there is a conflict of interest.

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    The bubble and seal approach has also been enforced in a further 800 worker camps as a precaution without the need for testing, he said.
    No testing, just "sealed up". 800 x 1,000/camp or 800 x 5/ camp. 100,000s or 1,000s of workers?

    How long before riots in the camps? How long before leakage from the camps?


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It's a farce.
    It's or I'm?

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    Nanjing outbreak spreads to 5 provinces and Beijing; most extensive contagion after Wuhan


    A new surge of COVID-19 cases starting from an airport of Nanjing, capital city of East China's Jiangsu Province, has spread to five other provinces and Beijing municipality, the most extensive domestic contagion after Wuhan.


    Since the first confirmed case of the latest outbreak was detected on July 20 at Nanjing Lukou International Airport, nearly 200 infections have been reported as of Thursday morning. Compared to previous rounds of domestic virus resurgences that were usually limited to one city or a few nearby cities, the Nanjing epidemic occurred at a busy international airport, and trans-regional passengers traveling for long distance soon brought the virus across the country to places including Southwest China's Sichuan and Northeast China's Liaoning, experts noted.

    MORE. Nanjing outbreak spreads to 5 provinces and Beijing; most extensive contagion after Wuhan - Global Times

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    This is going to generate a few angry farang letters to the Bangkok Post...

    Corrupt workers who sold Covid vaccination slots at Bang Sue Grand Station slipped up when they registered 2,000 people for inoculation through a gate reserved that day for a few hundred foreigners registered through the Foreign Ministry.

    The information emerged as police began their investigation into alleged corruption by 19 computer system operators accused of selling as many as 6,000 quota appointments for Covid-19 vaccination at Bang Sue Grand Station in Bangkok.

    Pol Maj Gen Amnat Traipoj, the railway police commander, said the Central Investigation Bureau was handling the case. The alleged fraud was complex and well organised.


    CIB chief Pol Lt Gen Torsak Sukvimol had set up a team to investigate people involved in the registration of members of the public seeking vaccination.

    He said 20 people had already been questioned. They included officials from the Medical Services Department, mobile phone company staff and people who were vaccinated after buying an appointment slot. More people would be called in for questioning.


    So far, no charges had been pressed against anyone, Pol Maj Gen Amnat said.


    “For now, we cannot say how many people were involved in this fraudulent registration. Preliminary investigation points to insiders and outsiders being involved in registration booking fraud," he said.


    "The registration information was keyed into the booking system after operating hours closed at 6pm. It happened between 8pm and 10pm.


    "There were 5,000-6,000 people who obtained vaccination bookings through fraudulent registration. This fraud may have caused damage totalling several million baht,’’ Pol Maj Gen Amnat said.

    Vaccination bookings were sold at 400-1,200 baht each, he said.


    The investigators had found irregularities in the registations after authorities allowed a walk-in vaccination service at Bang Sue Grand Station.

    Walk-in services were to be provided for 300 people a day, and they had to be registered with the Foreign Ministry. Volunteers were recruited as system operators for vaccine registration.

    However, investigators found the number of vaccine bookings had increased by 10-20 people a day.


    And on July 28, a large crowd gathered at Gate 4 of Bang Sue Grand Station. Checks found that 2,000 people had been registered for vaccination through that gate, but the official figure was only 384.


    Gate 4 was reserved that day for people registered with the Foreign Ministry, but the fraudsters were not aware of that.


    That led to health officials deciding to end the walk-in vaccination service. It has been replaced by a new system of online booking through the four major mobile phone companies' websites.


    It was later found out there was alleged fraud in the vaccination bookings. Fraudsters collected 400-1,200 baht from each person they registered.


    The investigation found that 19 volunteers had been tasked with registering vaccination bookings at Bang Sue Grand Station. They worked as computer system users and were recruited by True mobile phone service provider.


    The investigators would investigate those 19 system users for alleged fraud, Pol Maj Gen Amnat said.
    Vaccination booking fraud details emerge

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Vaccination bookings were sold at 400-1,200 baht each, he said.
    Only in Thailand.

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    So far, no charges had been pressed against anyone, Pol Maj Gen Amnat said.
    ...of course not, as the perps are related to and sponsored by the well-connected...

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    Vaccination bookings were sold at 400-1,200 baht each, he said.
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    Only in Thailand.
    Not even close to being 'Only in Thailand'.

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    Its like pissing in the wind. Every time I have a moment of curiosity and stream local US news they hyperventilate about the unvaccinated and love to finger point, but really, its just the stupid virus being an asshole.

    CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts coronavirus outbreak were vaccinated but few required hospitalization


    A sobering scientific analysis published Friday found that three-quarters of the people infected during an explosive coronavirus outbreak fueled by the delta variant were fully vaccinated. The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.

    The data, detailed in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, helped persuade agency scientists to reverse recommendations on mask-wearing and advise that vaccinated individuals wear masks in indoor public settings in some circumstances.

    Critically, the study found that vaccinated individuals carried as much virus in their noses as unvaccinated individuals, strongly suggesting that vaccinated people could spread the virus to others. The CDC was criticized this week for changing its mask guidance without publishing the data it relied on. The report released Friday contains some of that data.

    “This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.”

    The outbreak started in early July in Provincetown, at the tip of Cape Cod, a tourist destination known for its party scene. The July Fourth holiday atmosphere proved ideal for superspreader events.

    The new research and the reversal in the masking guidance put the public in an uncertain position as August and a new school year approaches. Risk calculations have never been easy in this pandemic, and the viral environment just got murkier.

    Scientists said the Provincetown outbreak and other recent data on breakthrough infections make clear that vaccines offer significant protection, as they were designed to, against severe illness and death but do not offer blanket protection against any chance of infection. Only a handful of people in the outbreak were hospitalized. While the data suggests that vaccinated people can spread the disease, the extent to which they contribute is not yet clear. Walensky said this week that such transmission occurs on “rare occasions.”

    A CDC internal document obtained by The Washington Post estimated that 35,000 vaccinated people a week in the United States are having symptomatic breakthrough infections, out of a vaccinated population of more than 162 million. Vaccination coverage is higher than average in Massachusetts, with nearly 70 percent of residents fully vaccinated.

    “This shows the delta is formidable,” said Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. “We can’t take one report of packed bars and extrapolate and say the sky is falling. The sky is not falling. But it does say the vaccine is not infallible.”

    “Common sense has to be used,” Corey said. “It’s a learning moment. It’s a teaching moment. You can’t overlook the vast data we have on the effectiveness of the vaccine.”

    Corey and other scientists reiterated that vaccination is the best way to end the pandemic. Turning covid-19 into a nuisance cold instead of a potentially fatal pneumonia was the main goal of the shots.

    “People should be reassured that if they are fully vaccinated that they are very likely, highly likely, to be protected against severe or critical illness, the kind of illness that would cause them to be hospitalized or killed by this virus,” said Paul A. Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Vaccines save your life.”

    But the CDC has been grappling with how to communicate to the public about infections able to break through vaccine’s protection, acknowledging they happen more frequently than many people anticipated, although illness tends to be mild. The study’s authors note that Massachusetts has a high vaccination rate and yet the virus was still able to spread.

    “Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status,” they write.

    Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, noted that the new CDC guidance on indoor masking for vaccinated people applies to communities with substantial transmission. That criterion would not have included Provincetown, which, according to the CDC report, had no reported new cases on July 3.

    “What this tells us is we need much more context and better data to guide whether and when vaccinated people should wear masks, because following CDC’s new guidance wouldn’t have stopped this outbreak from occurring,” Nuzzo said.

    Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at the Emory University Rollins School of Public Health, warned that these flare-ups of infections could become a persistent challenge as people move around, even to highly vaccinated areas.

    “Everyone was looking forward to a fun, vaccinated summer,” Dean said. “Unfortunately, with the delta variant, we are having to recalibrate what we can do and still keep people safe. This outbreak happened despite highly effective vaccines.”

    The internal CDC document, which The Post published Thursday, states that the delta variant is as transmissible as chickenpox and is likely to cause more-severe infections than past variants. That document also shows the CDC believes it needs to revamp its public communications strategy to stress the importance of vaccinations as the best way to crush the pandemic while acknowledging that breakthrough infections are more common than top health officials have indicated.

    The Provincetown outbreak has all the hallmarks of a superspreader event, with infected people reporting to public health officials that they gathered in “densely packed indoor and outdoor events that included bars, restaurants, guest houses and rental homes,” according to Friday’s CDC report. The full outbreak, which began over the July Fourth holiday weekend, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of 469 cases.

    About three-quarters of infections occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

    Scientists at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, a research institute in Cambridge, Mass., that was involved in the genetic analysis of the outbreak, highlighted that this was not a single event. At least five events sparked the outbreak, so it is not possible to blame it on one party or one bar.

    “There’s no one person or spot to blame here,” said Daniel Park, group leader for viral computational genomics at the Broad Institute. “The thing that’s catching the attention in national public health is that … a decently high vaccination rate isn’t quite enough” to stop an outbreak with so people in one place and the delta variant spreading.

    The scientists, along with officials at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, reported that 79 percent of the breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated.

    They are now analyzing the genetic fingerprints of the virus samples taken to trace chains of transmission and determine how commonly fully vaccinated people were infecting one another. The presence of similar amounts of virus in the noses of vaccinated and unvaccinated people raises the possibility they are both contributing to spread, but many scientists think that vaccinated people should be less likely to spread the virus.

    Similar findings may be emerging from other locations. The internal CDC document showed that national surveillance found that vaccinated people had larger amounts of virus in their nose when infected with the delta variant, compared with other variants.

    A report of cases from mid-July in Dane County, Wis., found a similar result, showing that fully vaccinated people had viral loads similar to those of unvaccinated people “and may be more capable of spreading COVID than was previously known.” The Wisconsin data showed that unvaccinated people were twice as likely to be infected as fully vaccinated people.

    The CDC study “raises the very worrisome possibility that high viral loads can occur in people who have delta, and this is a fundamental as we have to approach the fall and winter,” said David O’Connor, a professor of pathology and laboratory medicine at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health.

    While vaccines remain highly protective against the worst outcomes, the new data may have implications for herd immunity, the threshold at which there is enough immunity to stifle community spread.

    “Although most cases were not hospitalized, thus showing the vaccine works in an important way, this study is portentous for the achievement of herd immunity,” Andrew Noymer, an epidemiologist at the University of California at Irvine, said in an email. “If the vaccinated can become infected (and, we believe, from other studies, potentially spread covid), then herd immunity becomes more of a mirage than oasis.”

    It also may intensify the debate about when and how long to implement mask guidance. The new study, as well as the internal CDC document obtained by The Post, both suggested that universal masking may be necessary to help stop spread of the virus. But the mask guidance issued this week said only that people need to use masks under certain circumstances, including high levels of virus in the community.
    CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts coronavirus outbreak were vaccinated but few required hospitalization

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    .of course not, as the perps are related to and sponsored by the well-connected...
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    Only in Thailand.
    Apparently so, as we are constantly reminded.


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