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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    You just cannot make this shit up, its like the UK is getting dragged back to the middle ages with these idiots.
    Ah, they're idiots because they're stating it's not a problem to take it?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Australia who are more than happy to take it and manage the risks.
    Evidenty not:
    Tens of thousands of Australians left in the lurch as AstraZeneca Covid vaccine advice changes

    Doctors say their phones have been ‘running hot’ and some states bar anyone under 50 getting the AstraZeneca jab

    On Friday, New South Wales halted its AstraZeneca rollout entirely for several hours while patient consent forms with the latest information about the rare risk of severe clotting associated with the vaccine were added. The state’s rollout for people aged 50 and over has since resumed.
    “As with all other vaccines, informed consent is required before administering Covid-19 vaccines, ensuring recipients make decisions based on an understanding of the risks and benefits,” a NSW health spokesman said. “AstraZeneca vaccinations for those aged 50 years and over will recommence later today.”
    Meanwhile Western Australia has barred anyone under the age of 50 from getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. The chief health officer, Andrew Robertson, said effective from Friday: “People under 50 who are booked in to receive their AstraZeneca vaccine will have their appointments cancelled.”
    Tens of thousands of Australians left in the lurch as AstraZeneca Covid vaccine advice changes | Health | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Tens of thousands of Australians left in the lurch as AstraZeneca Covid vaccine advice changes
    It's EU fighting the Brits, I tell you. In Norway, Iceland, and Canada also.

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    Hopefully the mods will clean the wittering off the thread.

    Back to business:

    Private hospitals can buy 10 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine, in addition to the government's purchases, to help create herd immunity, a senior spokesman said on Friday.
    Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesman for the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, as head of the CCSA, had approved the move.
    Private hospitals could acquire a total of 10 million doses of Covid-19 vaccine, enough to inoculate 5 million people.
    The decision was made at a meeting with senior officials of the Public Health Ministry and representatives of private hospitals and the Thai Private Hospitals Association (TPHA) at Government House on Friday.
    The meeting acknowledged that the government was buying 70 million doses of Covid vaccine, enough for 35 million people. However, herd immunity required at least 40 million people be vaccinated.


    The TPHA representatives confirmed they were able to buy the 10 million doses needed for the other 5 milion people. The prime minister agreed to let private hospitals meet the demand, Dr Taweesilp said.
    Representatives of private hospitals told the meeting that vaccine producers needed letters of intent from the Thai government to allow them to supply vaccine to private hospitals, and the Government Pharmaceutical Organization should procure the vaccine on their behalf.
    The prime minister approved the requests, the spokesman said.
    The prime minister assigned Dr Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, adviser to CCSA, to head a committee for the private purchase of vaccines.
    The private procurement would target vaccines from producers other than the manufacturers the government had already registered, for the sake of diversification and risk distribution, Dr Taweesilp said.
    The prime minister also agreed with private hospitals' requests for larger allocations of existing vaccines from the Public Health Ministry, because vaccine demand was building and their present stocks were insufficient.
    Private hospitals can buy Covid vaccine of their choosing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^Why the whole world (incl. the Greeks) does not use the English sounding names only?

    The Russians use names (e.g. Sputnik) from her Cold War Era. Not like others something more peaceful like Apollo...
    (Wait a minute, isn't Apollo a Greek name?)
    You misunderstand, Aside of them being means of identification, From a marketing point of view, names are used to manage perception. When you buy a lawnmower, you are more likely to purchase one with a Briggs & Stratton engine than one with a Ahmed & Larry engine . Sputnik or Apollo might be good names for a Space program project, but not IMO for a covid Vaccine. Again , from a marketing point of view.
    If the Russian vaccine was manufactured for Russian only distribution, Sputnik might have been a proper name because for Russians it has positive connotations. But if one desires international distribution, one might want to consider a name more appropriate for that market.
    Actually, Being that many of the vaccines are Messenger RNA based, Apollo being the messenger of the Gods might have been a more appropriate name .

    By the way, while thinking of Gods, interesting tidbit of information that indicates that god, gods and the such are a human contract. Do you know why there were 12 gods, or 12 Apostles etc. Take your thumb, and touch your knuckles three times ..... That's how people used to count back them
    Wait ... what were we talking about again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    You misunderstand,
    No, I haven't misunderstood. Just reacted on your dubious comment "cold war era soviet manufacturing".
    Terrible marketing name. Sputnik, inspires visions of the cold war era soviet manufacturing technology. . Who ever came up with that name needs to be taken out in the shed and pistol wiped.
    What has the name of the vaccine to do with the "cold war"?

    Such a comment you surely would not use when criticising country you are so happy with... (just a "different reporting"...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    No, I haven't misunderstood. Just reacted on your dubious comment "cold war era soviet manufacturing".

    What has the name of the vaccine to do with the "cold war"?

    Such a comment you surely would not use when criticising country you are so happy with... (just a "different reporting"...)
    Wasn't Sputnik a famous cold war era satellite launched by the soviets , and feared my the western world?,

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    Countries worldwide hit new records for virus cases, deaths


    Ambulances filled with breathless patients lined up in Brazil as nations around the world set new records Thursday for COVID-19 deaths and new coronavirus infections. The disease surged even in some countries that have kept the virus in check.


    In the United States, Detroit leaders began making a plan to knock on every door to persuade people to get vaccine shots.


    Brazil this week became just the third country, after the U.S. and Peru, to report a 24-hour tally of COVID-19 deaths that exceeded 4,000. India hit a peak of almost 127,000 new cases in 24 hours, and Iran set a new coronavirus infection record for the third straight day, reporting nearly 22,600 new cases.

    In the state of Rio de Janeiro, emergency services are under their biggest strain since the pandemic began, with ambulances carrying patients of all ages to overcrowded hospitals struggling to care for everyone. Authorities say over 90% of the state’s intensive-care unit beds are taken by COVID-19 patients, and many cities are reporting people dying at home due to lack of available medical treatment.


    “We’re already living the third wave. We have three times more calls,” in comparison with previous waves, said Adriano Pereira, director of the mobile emergency care service in Duque de Caxias, an impoverished city outside Rio.


    Brazil’s death toll has risen past 340,000, the second-highest total in the world behind the U.S., where nearly 560,000 people have been confirmed killed.


    Rio state’s 14-day moving average of COVID-19 daily deaths climbed from 112 to 207 between March 1 and April 7, with some health analysts expecting even worse days in the next couple of weeks. Many hospitals warn about the risk of shortages of oxygen and sedatives for intubation.


    Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi urged people to get vaccinated, writing in a tweet: “Vaccination is among the few ways we have to defeat the virus. If you are eligible for the vaccine, get your shot soon.”


    The U.S. has now fully vaccinated nearly 20% of its adult population, and New Mexico became the first state to get shots in the arms of 25% of its residents — milestones that are still far off for many hard-hit countries.

    In India, home to 1.4 billion people, only 11 million are fully vaccinated. In Brazil, less than 3% of the country’s 210 million people have received both doses, according to Our World in Data, an online research site.


    South Korea reported 700 more cases, the highest daily jump since Jan. 5. Health authorities were expected to announce measures to strengthen social distancing following a meeting Friday.


    In Thailand, which has reported only 95 deaths during the pandemic, health officials reported the country’s first local cases of the coronavirus variant first detected in Britain. The news comes at a time when only 1% of the population has been vaccinated and as Thais prepare to celebrate the traditional Songkran New Year’s holiday next week, typically a time of widespread travel.


    That variant is more contagious, and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said this week that it is now the most common variant in the United States, raising concerns it will drive infections and cause more people to get sick.

    Michigan has averaged more than 7,000 new cases a day — a number that makes the state second in the nation behind New York. Michigan also has the highest number of new cases per capita, with 1 of every 203 state residents getting diagnosed with COVID-19 between March 31 and April 7, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.


    In Detroit, which is about 80% Black, officials said they plan to start visiting homes to talk about the importance of protecting themselves from the virus with vaccinations and how to sign up to receive the shots.

    “We’re going to knock on every residential door in the city, making sure every Detroiter knows how to make an appointment,” Victoria Kovari, an executive assistant to Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan, told The Detroit News.


    Only 22% of Detroit residents have received at least one vaccine dose compared to 38% for all of Michigan, according to Michigan’s Department of Health and Human Services.


    Other Midwestern states have seen troubling signs in recent days, including a school district in Iowa where 127 students and five staff members tested positive for the coronavirus or are presumed positive.


    In Massachusetts, where the seven-day rolling average of daily new cases has risen to over 2,100 new cases per day, the Massachusetts Public Health Association called on Republican Gov. Charlie Baker to reinstate public health measures. The group urged Baker to limit indoor dining capacity and other indoor activities, saying the rise in cases and hospitalizations followed Baker’s decision to loosen those restrictions.


    “We are currently in a race between the vaccines and the variants,” Carlene Pavlos, the group’s executive director said Thursday. “Without these public health measures, even more innocent lives will be needlessly lost.”



    Countries worldwide hit new records for virus cases, deaths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Actually, Being that many of the vaccines are Messenger RNA based, Apollo being the messenger of the Gods might have been a more appropriate name .
    Apollo was not the messenger of the Gods. He was the God of medicine and healing, which is more appropriate.

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    Meanwhile here on Canada's west coast we are seeing the British variant becoming the dominant strain and higher numbers that we have seen in either of the first two waves. We are firmly ensconced in the dreaded third wave. No pubs, no indoor dining, no gyms, essentially what is referred to here as a "circuit breaker". I'm not sure how our friends to the south are going get through this, not with the country pretty much wide open for business. Lots of "vaccine hesitancy' here, Astrzeneca jabs pretty much in the shitter.

    With our public health infrastructure in pretty good shape I'm really sure how second and third world countries including Thailand are going to cope. This damn thing could well go on for a couple of more years in countries outside the relatively rich nations. Bugger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Apollo was not the messenger of the Gods. He was the God of medicine and healing, which is more appropriate.
    Apparently, he never got the message about his promotion. Which is why the other messenger god lost his job.

    try to keep up ,will you?
    it was reveled in the last episode of , "As the gods turn"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Apollo was not the messenger of the Gods. He was the God of medicine and healing, which is more appropriate.
    10 points to Gryffindor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    Apollo was not the messenger of the Gods. He was the God of medicine and healing, which is more appropriate.
    Yes, but unfortunately he attacked the Greeks with diseased arrows to make them ill. Not good for the marketing boys when it comes to vaccines....

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    Quote Originally Posted by russellsimpson View Post
    . Lots of "vaccine hesitancy' here, Astrzeneca jabs pretty much in the shitter.
    That's why this wave after wave with new variants will never cease.

    To many doubters in high office have fvcked up the vaccine roll out and road back to normality.

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    Well i'll be getting my 2nd AZ in 9 weeks, bring it on,

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    Well i'll be getting my 2nd AZ in 9 weeks, bring it on,
    AZ sideaffects. I hope you like flies
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    I had my first shot of the Astra Zeneca vaccine yesterday despite not being in a vulnerable age group.

    The doctor who was giving the shots came out to speak to us afterwards (we had to wait outside for 30 mins in case of allergic reactions) about the negative publicity around the shot and said that because it's so cheap (1 or 2 pounds a shot to make and administer), it's always gonna be a target for people.

    Plus, because it's Oxford University and they're not making any profit on it, it's in the open about any side effects and it can be attacked by big pharma, who are trying to sow the seeds of doubt about it despite any side effects being pretty much identical if you read medical journals. Big pharma wanna make the money with their vaccines, while hiding any negative reactions, and we all know the culture of American healthcare: $.

    Basically, his main point was that the Oxford Jab is non-profit and aimed at supporting countries that can't afford Moderna/Pfizer (20 quid a shot), which is what Striglis (NPT) said a few pages ago (kudos to the man), but is almost identical in the end results despite what might be peddled in the media by the big companies and their acolytes.

    It's a sad world when profit trumps the health of the world and NPT called it weeks ago. Top man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    The doctor who was giving the shots came out to speak to us afterwards (we had to wait outside for 30 mins in case of allergic reactions) about the negative publicity around the shot and said that because it's so cheap (1 or 2 pounds a shot to make and administer), it's always gonna be a target for people.

    Plus, because it's Oxford University and they're not making any profit on it, it's in the open about any side effects and it can be attacked by big pharma, who are trying to sow the seeds of doubt about it despite any side effects being pretty much identical if you read medical journals. Big pharma wanna make the money with their vaccines, while hiding any negative reactions, and we all know the culture of American healthcare: $.
    The doctor said this? Hmm . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The doctor said this? Hmm . . .
    I'm surprised you doubt me Hatty. You shouldn't.

    I am in a very fortunate position in that the British Embassy looks after me (as I think I've told you before and I definitely told Joe
    when we had a pint).

    The doc wasn't British (I live in South America) and he said read the journals: all the same, but big pharma always call the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The doctor said this? Hmm . . .
    You're a bright fella PH and, without being too condescending, you need to dig a bit deeper

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    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    I'm surprised you doubt me Hatty. You shouldn't.
    I don't doubt you, I'm surprised the doc said this.


    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    You're a bright fella PH


    Quote Originally Posted by hallelujah View Post
    without being too condescending


    You put me through several emotional swings there, Mister9

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    A bit confusing, but all will be clear once its published, retracted, re-piblished.....

    Non-state vaccines get nod



    Representatives of private hospitals confirmed they were able to buy the 10 million doses needed for the other 5 million people. The prime minister agreed to let private hospitals meet the demand, Dr Taweesilp said.


    Representatives of private hospitals told the meeting that vaccine producers needed letters of intent from the Thai government to allow them to supply vaccines to private hospitals. Another option is for the GPO to procure doses and resell some of them to private hospitals.


    The prime minister approved all the requests, the spokesman said.


    Gen Prayut appointed Dr Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, adviser to the CCSA, to head a committee for the private purchase of vaccines.
    The committee will work with the GPO, the FDA, the NVI and the PHA, to come up with details of the procurement plan and submit it to the prime minister within one month.


    Private procurement would target vaccines from producers other than the manufacturers the government had already registered, for the sake of diversification and risk distribution, Dr Taweesilp said.


    The prime minister also agreed with private hospitals' requests for larger allocations of existing vaccines from the Public Health Ministry, because demand was increasing due to rising numbers of Covid-19 patients receiving treatment at private hospitals.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2097731/non-state-vaccines-get-nod

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As I have repeatedly said, there is no confirmed link between Vaxzevria and blood clots, because the numbers for the vaccinated are no worse than those without.
    Just like you have repeated nonsense on this thread. Do you read anything besides "I love Brits & Beans" ?

    Conclusions

    Vaccination with ChAdOx1 nCov-19 can result in the rare development of immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia mediated by platelet-activating antibodies against PF4, which clinically mimics autoimmune heparin-induced thrombocytopenia. (Funded by the German Research Foundation.)
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    Was never really bothered by Covid as it wasn't really a reality here.


    Gonna sit out this 3rd wave though. The latest strain is bit more of a koont.

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