The COVID-2019 Thread

[Slick]

Trump had 279 days to set up systems and prepare to vaccinate people

And yet with all those purchases, most states are vaccinating people as fast as they can get them, 85-90% being administered as fast as they are given. At the moment it is not the program, or the purchase totals thats hindering the numbers of vaccinations given, but the production.

But you dont want to accept these facts. You just wanna deflect and bury your head in the sand. Situation normal.

[bsnub]

At the moment it is not the program, or the purchase totals thats hindering the numbers of vaccinations given, but the production.

Who has said production was not a problem? The fact is that only two of the vaccines the orange morons team purchased are being used in the US right now. The others are shit and not approved by the FDA.

Seems everyone is trying to point out that your orange god did not have a plan. Something the Biden administration has acknowledged.

[AntRobertson]

And yet with all those purchases, most states are vaccinating people as fast as they can get them, 85-90% being administered as fast as they are given.

Right, since a competent leader got into office who actually cares about lives not ratings.

But you want to totally gloss over and ignore Trump's utter failure and blame anyone / everyone else. Because Trumptard.

Who has said production was not a problem?

He's engaged Post Shifting & Obfuscation Mode.

[Slick]

It should be pointed out that of all the vaccines on slicks chart only two (Pfizer and Moderna) have been approved for use in the US. So the Trump administration was buying the wrong vaccines.

AstraZeneca coming online in April, and both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are being administered as fast as they can be produced and supplied.

Even as we speak, we still haven't gone through the Trump admins initial purchases of the approved vaccinations.

Yet you guys will twist yourselves into a pretzel trying to finger point at things that dont even matter, or exist.

[AntRobertson]

Yet you guys will twist yourselves into a pretzel trying to finger point at things that dont even matter, or exist.

There are many defining characteristics of the Trump Cult--lies and misinformation being prominent--but one of the main ones is accusing others of being what they themselves are and do.

[panama hat]

TROY!!!!! Armstrong!!!!! The boys are being mean to Slick - quick, condemnation!!! This isn't the dh!!!!!!

[bsnub]

Yet you guys will twist yourselves into a pretzel trying to finger point at things that dont even matter

Seems to me that that is what you have been doing with regards constantly bringing up Fauci and masks. A stupid distraction and waste of time to mention at best.

Here is another example of the colossal fuck-ups your guy has made...


Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses


The Trump administration passed up a chance last summer to buy millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine, a decision that could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until the manufacturer fulfills other international contracts.

The revelation, first reported by the New York Times and confirmed to the Associated Press on Monday, came a day before Donald Trump aimed to take credit for the speedy development of forthcoming vaccines at a White House summit.

Pfizer’s vaccine, one of the leading Covid-19 vaccine contenders, is expected to be approved by a panel of Food and Drug Administration scientists as soon as this week, with delivery of 100m doses – enough for 50 million Americans – expected in coming months.

Under its contract with Pfizer, the Trump administration committed to buy an initial 100m doses, with an option to purchase as many as five times more. This summer, the White House opted not to lock in an additional 100m doses for delivery in the second quarter of 2021, according to people who spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

Days ahead of the vaccine’s expected approval, the administration is reversing course, but it is not clear that Pfizer, which has since made commitments to other countries, will be able to meet the latest request on the same timeline.

The Pfizer vaccine is one of two on track for emergency FDA authorization this month, the other coming from drugmaker Moderna.

The Trump administration insisted late Monday that between those two vaccines and others in the pipeline, the US will be able to accommodate any American who wants to be vaccinated by the end of the second quarter of 2021.

Health and Human Services secretary Alex Azar told NBC the administration is “continuing to work across manufacturers to expand the availability of releasable, of FDA-approved vaccine as quickly as possible. We do still have that option for an additional 500m doses.”

The “Operation Warp Speed” summit on Tuesday will address the Trump administration’s plans to distribute and administer the vaccine. But officials from president-elect Joe Biden’s transition team, which will oversee the bulk of the largest vaccination program in the nation’s history, were not invited.

Both the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines have been determined to be 95% effective against the virus that causes Covid-19. Plans call for distributing and then administering about 40m doses of the two companies’ vaccines by the end of the year – with the first doses shipping within hours of FDA clearance. Each of the forthcoming vaccines has unique logistical challenges, including storage, distribution and administration.

The news comes as states across the US continue to experience some of the worst surges since the pandemic began. On Monday, millions in California went back under the nation’s harshest lockdowns, as Covid-19 cases hit record levels. New York is also weighing further restrictions as hospitalisations climb.

Health officials are warning Americans not to let their guard down, even with a vaccine on the horizon. Dr Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, said that “without substantial mitigation, the middle of January can be a really dark time for us”.

Trump administration refused offer to buy millions more Pfizer vaccine doses | World news | The Guardian

[bsnub]

Biden should have never had to do this...

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Department of Defense (DOD) have purchased an additional 100 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines from both Pfizer Inc. and Moderna Inc. to help meet demand for COVID-19 vaccines in the United States.

The orders placed today bring the vaccine purchased by the U.S. government from these two companies to a total of 600 million doses, enough to vaccinate 300 million people. Each company is delivering 300 million doses in regular increments through the end of July 2021. Each company will leverage U.S.-based manufacturing capacity to fill, finish and ship vials as the bulk material is produced.

“As the President directed, we are expanding our supply of COVID vaccines to protect people as quickly as possible,” said Acting HHS Secretary Norris Cochran. “These purchases will allow us to accelerate our vaccination efforts to get shots into the arms of the American people. While we rapidly ramp up the pace of vaccinations, I encourage everyone to take actions now to protect themselves and their families: wear a mask, wash your hands often, and practice physical distancing.”

Biden Administration purchases additional doses of COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna | HHS.gov

[Slick]

Seems to me that that is what you have been doing with regards constantly bringing up Fauci and masks. A stupid distraction and waste of time to mention at best.

Here is another example of the colossal fuck-ups your guy has made...

But snobby, we still haven't even gone through the initial purchase agreements, vaccinations are being given as fast as they can be produced, and even though you call this a colossal fuck up, the US was still able to easily purchase more. Not to mention AstraZeneca coming online soon, and all the others as well.

That article was another incorrect bit of speculative journalism.

[AntRobertson]

Nobody: *The real issue here is that no vaccines were purchased*
Slick: Vaccines were purchased

[bsnub]

That article was another incorrect bit of speculative journalism.

I guess they are all fake because you say so eh little man? Seems they refused additional vaccine doses multiple times. But it is all "speculative journalism".

Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered months ago to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses.

Trump administration officials passed when Pfizer offered months ago to sell the U.S. more vaccine doses. - The New York Times

U.S. could have bought additional Pfizer vaccines in November but passed, says Pfizer board member

Covid vaccine: U.S. passed on more Pfizer doses in November, says board member Gottlieb

Trump administration passed up chance to lock in more Pfizer vaccine doses

Trump Administration Passed on Chance to Secure More of Pfizer Vaccine - The New York Times

Pfizer Board Member Gottlieb Confirms Trump Administration Rejected ‘Multiple’ Offers For More Vaccine Doses

Pfizer Board Member Gottlieb Confirms Trump Administration Rejected ‘Multiple’ Offers For More Vaccine Doses

The Trump administration reportedly rejected an offer from Pfizer for more COVID-19 vaccine doses, and now other countries might get them

Trump admin. rejected Pfizer offer for more COVID-19 vaccine doses

[Slick]

I guess they are all fake because you say so eh little man? Seems the refused additional vaccine doses multiple times. But it is all "speculative journalism".

You have a hard time with words, dont you.

The articles are speculative in that they intended create a speculative story on the potential lack of future vaccines, which has been proven wrong by the USA easily purchasing more. Not only that, but we haven't even gone through half of the original purchase, and have even more perfectly viable vaccines coming onto the market in 2 months or so.

Nowhere, at any time, were we at risk of running out of vaccines, and since this all started, outside of a few states (NY being one of the worst) vaccinations are being given out almost as fast as they can be produced.

You guys are literally hysterical over things that never happened, and are resorting to speculation and falsehoods to bolster said hysterics.

[AntRobertson]

All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus

An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency

All of Trump’s Lies About the Coronavirus - The Atlantic

Slick: 'It's Fauci's fault'

[bsnub]

You have a hard time with words, dont you.

Not at all. Do not attempt to pontificate when you are fucking wrong you moron.

The articles are speculative in that they intended create a speculative story on the potential lack of future vaccines

That sentence has so much stupid packed into it. The FACT is that your orange god passed up buying more vaccine multiple times leaving many dumbfounded. That administration should have been placing orders anytime they had the chance and not passing it up.

Nowhere, at any time, were we at risk of running out of vaccines, and since this all started, outside of a few states (NY being one of the worst) vaccinations are being given out almost as fast as they can be produced.

Once again the stupid here is overwhelming. We could vaccinate at a much faster rate if we had more vaccine you idiot. So once again the idea of passing up ordering more is absurdly stupid. Those vaccines were produced and went to other countries. So stop being an idiot.

You guys are literally hysterical over things that never happened

It fucking happened you retard. You may not like that pointed out to you but it fucking happened.

[bsnub]

So basically he is saying the administration fucked up passing on all those orders that wound up going to other countries and requiring Biden to have to order 200 million more doses when they should have already been ordered.

Feb 7, 2021,11:18am EST Dr. Anthony Fauci suggested during a Sunday morning interview that the Trump administration could have been more aggressive in its early negotiations with vaccine manufacturers to avoid the supply shortages that have since emerged as the greatest roadblock in the vaccine rollout.

Fauci, a top infectious diseases official who was involved with both the Trump and Biden administrations’ pandemic response, told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that while a shortage of doses was “in some respects” inevitable, the U.S. could have potentially secured more when it had the chance.

“We certainly could’ve, I guess, contracted a little bit more aggressively with the companies to get more doses,” said Fauci, adding: “But right now this is what we have.”

Fauci labeled the lack of supply to match booming demand as the greatest struggle in the rollout to date, describing it as a “limiting factor.”

Key Background

The Trump administration secured a total of 400 million doses from Moderna and Pfizer and BioNtech, with final purchases made in late December 2020. The former president drew strong backlash late last year when The New York Times reported that Trump’s administration had turned down the opportunity to secure additional doses from Pfizer, a report that administration officials have rebuked. The Biden administration is currently negotiating to secure 100 million more doses from Pfizer and BioNTech and 100 million from Moderna. Fauci predicted that inoculations will heavily ramp up over the next few months as more doses from Pfizer and Moderna are slated to arrive in March and April, and, as of last week, Johnson & Johnson filed for emergency authorization of its single-dose Covid-19 vaccine.

Big Number

30.8 million. That’s how many Americans have received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine. Roughly 9% of the U.S. population and 25% of the prioritized population have received at least one jab, according to data compiled by The Washington Post.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...accine-makers/

[Klondyke]

Seems everyone is trying to point out that your orange god did not have a plan. Something the Biden administration has acknowledged.

...it’s one thing to have the vaccine, which we didn’t have when we came into office, but a vaccinator..

Biden gets 2nd dose of vaccine as team readies COVID-19 plan
President-elect Joe Biden has received his second dose of the coronavirus vaccine, three weeks after getting his first one
Associated Press
January 12, 2021

[Slick]

We could vaccinate at a much faster rate if we had more vaccine you idiot.

Kinda chuckling at this gem.

You could order eleventy bagillion vaccines (on top of the billion we have on order now) and that still wouldn’t make production go any faster.

Your prolific retardation is really showing here.

[panama hat]

^ He is right, though . . . whereas Trump and his idiocies:




You can't defend the indefensible.

[Slick]

^ He is right, though.

How on earth, after everything that’s been posted to the contrary, could anyone draw the conclusion that Bshitbirds post was in any way “right”...

Production is the issue, not the orders. How will ordering more (over the 400 million that were already purchased before Biden derped into the WH) make production go any faster...

I get this is all very partisan and entrenched, but this bit of mental gymnastics is particularly stupid.

[AntRobertson]

He is right, though . . . whereas Trump and his idiocies:

Like many Trumpists Slick mistakes disingenuity for being intelligent.

[Switch]

How on earth, after everything that’s been posted to the contrary, could anyone draw the conclusion that Bshitbirds post was in any way “right”...

Production is the issue, not the orders. How will ordering more (over the 400 million that were already purchased before Biden derped into the WH) make production go any faster...

I get this is all very partisan and entrenched, but this bit of mental gymnastics is particularly stupid.

If more doses were ordered early enough, say December last year, when the Trump administration decline the offer, your country would not be waiting for deliveries of more vaccines in March and April, because those doses would already be in the system.
Health care and logistics could easily accelerate the vaccine program, but they don’t have enough vaccines today, because they weren’t ordered when the opportunity to offer for the additional vaccines was made months ago.

They are delivering as fast as they can, because that’s all they’ve got, until orders placed later, begin to arrive..

[bsnub]

You could order eleventy bagillion vaccines (on top of the billion we have on order now) and that still wouldn’t make production go any faster.

Do you have trouble reading dipshit? I already posted articles showing that the doses that the previous administration passed up WERE produced and went to other countries. Apparently you failed to even read the fucking article I posted were Facui stated that the administration fucked up. I even highlighted it in yellow you sorry fuckwit.

Your prolific retardation is really showing here.

No dummy yours is. I proved you wrong and the evidence is right in front of your fucking face so stop posting the fucking incorrect shit.

Production is the issue, not the orders.

I will say it again you hopelessly stupid fuck. Those doses that they passed up were produced and instead of going to the US like they should have they went to other countries.

Everyone else here has no trouble understanding only the trumpanzee is confused here. Surprise surprise.

[Slick]

If more doses were ordered early enough, say December last year, when the Trump administration decline the offer, your country would not be waiting for deliveries of more vaccines in March and April, because those doses would already be in the system.
Health care and logistics could easily accelerate the vaccine program, but they don’t have enough vaccines today, because they weren’t ordered when the opportunity to offer for the additional vaccines was made months ago.

They are delivering as fast as they can, because that’s all they’ve got, until orders placed later, begin to arrive..

More doses were ordered, and well before Biden took office.

Before Trump left office, he had 400 million doses of the 2 approved vaccinations purchased, and forgive me if my dates are wrong, but there were initial purchases in October and December, totaling 400 million of the currently approved doses. Biden purchased an additional 200 million, to total 600 million in January. The very first approved vaccination of a citizen happened mid December, and its now Feb 23. In almost 10 weeks, and the USA as administered 64 million doses.

Yet you guys still act like, somehow, Trump not buying another 200 million, is one of the reasons that the USA isnt vaccinating fast enough.

Yet the pharmaceutical companies cant produce this shit fast enough, no matter how much you order.

Im beginning to think that some of you believe the US ran out of vaccines because trump didn't order enough.

[bsnub]

Yet the pharmaceutical companies cant produce this shit fast enough, no matter how much you order.

Good god you are dense. They did produce the doses that the previous administration passed up, and they went to other countries instead of the US. Why is that so fucking hard for you to understand?

[Slick]

I already posted articles showing that the doses that the previous administration passed up WERE produced and went to other countries. Apparently you failed to even read the fucking article I posted were Facui stated that the administration fucked up. I even highlighted it in yellow you sorry fuckwit

Are you under the impression that the USA controls these companies and that whenever they place an order, the company manufactures and distributes said order to them exclusively?

Fauci is a disease "expert" not a logistics/contract bidder and he in no way said anything that even remotely comes close to the conclusion you drew from his statement.