The COVID-2019 Thread

[panama hat]

But it never got bad enough in NZ to even come close to stressing the system, so saying it couldn't handle it - is just a guess.

It's not a guess as modelling is very precise

14 day self isolation is a far cry from mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine with all the associated costs and logistics involved.

. . . which only a small proportion have to pay - not a worry there. I know several people who still travel on company business - why should the taxpayer shoulder the cost or their quarantine?!

blocking citizens from returning and placing undue burdens on the same is highly draconian

Again, you haven't read the government website.

The article was about Australia, not NZ.

I was referring to Slick and Charges for managed isolation | Managed isolation and quarantine

The kids I work with spent the summer going to music festivals, I went to beerfests, everyone enjoyed the Christmas/NY break.

The whiny old woman is right - this is probably the only country where fairly well everything is normal - now all they need to do is vaccinate the population so the tourism and ancillary sectors can be revitalised.

Oh dear you are going to trigger him again.

Nah, she's a populist . . . and won the election quite resoundingly - what she is doing with her power is not kosher in many instances, like Maori Wards etc... which she is ramming through legislation in several days instead of months and against public wishes.

[Slick]

It's not a guess as modelling is very precise

Dunno, modeling everywhere has been wrong from the very beginning. Fact is, since all this started and the hysteria has died down, its not nearly as bad as people thought. It is still bad, yes, but IMO certainly not enough to merit the reactions of some nations.

. . . which only a small proportion have to pay - not a worry there. I know several people who still travel on company business - why should the taxpayer shoulder the cost or their quarantine?!

I guess in my view, having a passport and paying taxes should grant you the permission to enter. Being a taxpayer, if the gov footed the bill for the policies they themselves placed on their own citizens trying to simply come home, it wouldnt be "the tax payer" footing the bill. You've already paid your dues. This is even more underscored by, as you say, the small proportion of people who have to pay. Seems like a non-issue that shouldn't even exist.

The whiny old woman is right - this is probably the only country where fairly well everything is normal - now all they need to do is vaccinate the population so the tourism and ancillary sectors can be revitalised.

Thailand didn't even come close to what you guys did over there and its been business as usual since about June 2020, other than the borders being "closed". Even during the "lockdowns" it was hardly a "lockdown" barely anything changed. And even Thailand provides free-of-charge gov quarantine for its people to return. Alot of the reason Nz & Oz did well is because the are geographically isolated. Thailands second wave is from illegal immigration over land borders.

[PlanK]

I guess in my view, having a passport and paying taxes should grant you the permission to enter. Being a taxpayer, if the gov footed the bill for the policies they themselves placed on their own citizens trying to simply come home, it wouldnt be "the tax payer" footing the bill. You've already paid your dues.

Unlike 'merica Aus & NZ citizens don't pay tax if they go overseas.

Thailand didn't even come close to what you guys did over there and its been business as usual since about June 2020

I don't know where you got your info from but Thailand did very similar to what NZ & Aus did and it has been BAU for nearly a year. Did you not read the posts already made by people resident in these countries? I think you've been reading some Trump Fakebook BS. In conversations with an American friend he was not only hiding from C-19, but also race riots and political unrest. None of that in Aus & NZ. I think a large section of the world pities the American public right now. They're not having a good run and a lot of people are more worried about American friends than Americans reading Fakebook posts are.

You are right that geography is in this case a blessing. In a normal world the Tyranny of Distance is a curse. Some people say it's luck, but actually it's just geography.

[panama hat]

This is even more underscored by, as you say, the small proportion of people who have to pay.

If someone chooses to place him/herself in a position he knows the consequences of - tough. Not many complain.

Unlike 'merica Aus & NZ citizens don't pay tax if they go overseas.

Unfortunately that's not quite true - I have to pay the differential between here and in MY/SG

I think a large section of the world pities the American public right now.

Without a doubt . . . four years of a raving narcissistic halfwit lunatic destroying the fabric of society - no doubt there was a lot to fix before him but there's far more now - like the hundreds of thousands of deaths due to his idiotic 'response' to covid-19.

There, we're back on topic

[Slick]

Unlike 'merica Aus & NZ citizens don't pay tax if they go overseas.

Actually 'merica has looser tax laws on expats than Oz at the moment, not sure about Nz though, but im sure its comparable to what the USA does.

I don't know where you got your info from but Thailand did very similar to what NZ & Aus did and it has been BAU for nearly a year. Did you not read the posts already made by people resident in these countries? I think you've been reading some Trump Fakebook BS. In conversations with an American friend he was not only hiding from C-19, but also race riots and political unrest. None of that in Aus & NZ. I think a large section of the world pities the American public right now. They're not having a good run and a lot of people are more worried about American friends than Americans reading Fakebook posts are.

You are right that geography is in this case a blessing. In a normal world the Tyranny of Distance is a curse. Some people say it's luck, but actually it's just geography.

I was in thailand for the whole first wave, on the ground. No lockdowns. Nobody was forced to stay indoors. Other than things like cinemas and 7-11's closing/closing early and booze bans, basically nothing happened. Markets still open. Shops still open.

2 things are true about America. EVERYTHING is politicized and there is no central ruler or king. No politician, Trump, Biden, Democrat or Republican, can control that population short of rolling out military, which would never happen. The exact same covid result would have happened regardless of who's in power, and thats just how the country is structured.

[aging one]

I was in thailand for the whole first wave, on the ground. No lockdowns. Nobody was forced to stay indoors. Other than things like cinemas and 7-11's closing/closing early and booze bans, basically nothing happened. Markets still open. Shops still open.

Bullshit. Thailand went into a state of emergency on March 26 and locked down on April 3rd 2020. Everything closed up. That was near the beginning of the first wave. We stayed locked down until July.

[bsnub]

The exact same covid result would have happened regardless of who's in power, and thats just how the country is structured.

Complete and utter bullshit as is typical of the little runt slickster. It was WORSE because the orange moron that you voted for was in office. A completely inept buffoon who ignored science as well as common sense.

[Slick]

If someone chooses to place him/herself in a position he knows the consequences of - tough. Not many complain.

Yeah, alot of people support it, which, like I said, is nuts.

Without a doubt . . . four years of a raving narcissistic halfwit lunatic destroying the fabric of society - no doubt there was a lot to fix before him but there's far more now - like the hundreds of thousands of deaths due to his idiotic 'response' to covid-19.

There, we're back on topic

Trump didn't destroy anything, its been eroding for years and years due to the increasingly toxic political climate, and in no way would the civid outcome be any different if a different political party/person were president.

And this messed up society is only going to get worse until cooler heads prevail. Biden is not that man, and there is no "fixing" anything at the moment.

[Slick]

Complete and utter bullshit as is typical of the little runt slickster. It was WORSE because the orange moron that you voted for was in office. A completely inept buffoon who ignored science as well as common sense.

Nah, thats just your political bias talking. No single man can control the US population in any significant way, and you know this, and if they tried, it would be absolute chaos, you know this too.

[PlanK]

Nobody was forced to stay indoors. Other than things like cinemas and 7-11's closing/closing early and booze bans, basically nothing happened. Markets still open. Shops still open.

And this is how it was in NZ. Supermarkets still operated. At level four you couldn't get Macca's, no loss there. No pubs open but no booze ban. Could still buy groceries, alcohol online if needed. Social distancing, contract tracing and hand sanitizer the only requirements when venturing out.

I think you've been poorly informed by some Trump Fakebook media that we were under some kind of communist rule that removed all our rights as citizens. I wasn't oppressed and I don't know anyone who felt they were. The short lockdown was a blessing that gave us back normalcy while the rest of the world burned. I quite enjoyed the lockdown. Many people I talk to were happy to have time off to work on their own projects. When we returned to daily grind the idea of a four day work week was a popular subject.

You might have to tell me how it was I suffered?
What human rights did I get denied?
How was it that I was oppressed?

[bsnub]

No single man can control the US population in any significant way, and you know this, and if they tried, it would be absolute chaos, you know this too.

Not the entire population but enough of them in those red infested shithole states to make a big difference...

..and you know this too. herp a derp.

[Slick]

Bullshit. Thailand went into a state of emergency on March 26 and locked down on April 3rd 2020. Everything closed up. That was near the beginning of the first wave. We stayed locked down until July.

Yeah, I know, I, by pure luck, landed March 8th and immediately got trapped.

Maybe you and me have a different definition of what a "lockdown" actually is. Oz cops were telling people on twitter they couldn't even walk their dogs outside, and that only ONE person can leave their homes and only for essential items.

Thats a lockdown.

Thailand did none of that. You could leave, walk down the street, go to the local markets, etc. Walk the dog.

And in my little town, you wouldnt have even known there was a lockdown other than 7 closed at 9PM and the food court at lotus was closed.

[Slick]

Not the entire population but enough of them in those red infested shithole states to make a big difference...

..and you know this too. herp a derp.

Worst hit states are democrat, and those same states, ironically, have the most strict covid rules in place.

[PlanK]

Oz cops were telling people on twitter they couldn't even walk their dogs outside, and that only ONE person can leave their homes and only for essential items.

Did you get that 'news' from people who are also afraid that gubmint will take away their guns and worried that alien lizard-people are trying to steal your soul?

[Slick]

I think you've been poorly informed by some Trump Fakebook media that we were under some kind of communist rule that removed all our rights as citizens. I wasn't oppressed and I don't know anyone who felt they were. The short lockdown was a blessing that gave us back normalcy while the rest of the world burned. I quite enjoyed the lockdown. Many people I talk to were happy to have time off to work on their own projects. When we returned to daily grind the idea of a four day work week was a popular subject.

You might have to tell me how it was I suffered?
What human rights did I get denied?
How was it that I was oppressed?

I dont have Facebook, and I dont think you are under communist rule, and if most of you guys are happy with your situation, then im not judging - but my opinion remains the same - some of the rules are illogical and heavy-handed.

Personally I dont think any government should have the power to tell anyone to stay home, what they can and can not buy, if they can work or not, etc.

[Slick]

Did you get that 'news' from people who are also afraid that gubmint will take away their guns and worried that alien lizard-people are trying to steal your soul?

No, I got that directly from the south australian police verified twitter account, plus it was all over the news. Link to tweet is in there:

Australian police tell woman in viral tweet she can't walk her dog or exercise outside during new virus lockdown

South Australia Coronavirus Lockdown: Only 1 Per Family Can Leave Home In One Of World's Toughest Lockdowns

Dog walking banned in new South Australian COVID-19 lockdown

Its true. They did that.

[bsnub]

Worst hit states are democrat

Did you mean Democratic? There is no such thing as a "democrat" state. That is because they have more people dummy. The states with the worst rates of transmission were all red states by far and away. Aside from California which is unique unto itself Washington and Oregon had and still have the tightest lockdowns and have consistently had among the lowest rates of infection. I know because I live here.

Just look to North and South Dakota for a moronic approach to covid that was disastrous.

[panama hat]

Worst hit states are democrat,

Incorrect.

In terms of percentages both North and South Dakota are numbers 1 and 2 for covid infections, respectively.

Both are Republican.


The 7 states with the lowest percentages are Democratic.

Yeah, alot of people support it, which, like I said, is nuts.

It's called personal responsibility . . . any US Republican/Conservative would applaud that . . . until they need/want help.

[PlanK]

^^^^

I'm sorry, I didn't realise I was trying to make sense to an uneducated retard.
Carry on with your "I have my rights to do anything even it kills people" behaviour.

You should meet with Panama Karen, you'd get on real well.

[Slick]

Did you mean Democratic? There is no such thing as a "democrat" state. That is because they have more people dummy. The states with the worst rates of transmission were all red states by far and away. Aside from California which is unique unto itself Washington and Oregon had and still have the tightest lockdowns and have consistently had among the lowest rates of infection. I know because I live here.

Just look to North and South Dakota for a moronic approach to covid that was disastrous.

Cali, NY, Illinois, etc. All the worst states both in transmission and deaths, and ironically, the most strict. Red states, mostly completely open, doing better with lower cases and deaths.

And thats still happening even though theres about 90% of america wearing masks.

[bsnub]

Cali, NY, Illinois, etc. All the worst states both in transmission and deaths, and ironically, the most strict.

As usual, you are full of shit and just pulling nonsense out of your ass.

Red states, mostly completely open, doing better with lower cases and deaths.

The two states with the highest rates of infection per million were ND and SD followed by WIS, NEB, TENN, and UT. Stop pulling shit out of your ass you fuckwit.

https://www.princeton.edu/~dixitak/h...dRedVsBlue.pdf

[Slick]

Incorrect.

In terms of percentages both North and South Dakota are numbers 1 and 2 for covid infections, respectively.

Incorrect.

In terms of percentages, the top four states are as Blue as the come. You, as usual in discussions such as these, are referencing cases, not deaths. Death is and always has been the one fixed point that tells the covid tale.

Theres no wiggling out of the death toll, no matter how you manipulate the statistics by state. Blue states have both the highest total deaths, and the highest deaths in terms of percentages, and the hardest lockdowns, and the most economic troubles.

[Happy As Larry]

Links to charts from the CDC - cases & deaths per 100,000 of population

CDC COVID Data Tracker

Top five states by cases
ND
SD
RI
UT
TN

Top five states by deaths
NY
NJ
MA
RI
MS

[bsnub]

Top five states by deaths

The deaths are skewed because NY and NJ got COVID-19 early on because the orange moron failed to suppress the outbreak. So many died because of incompetence due to the orange moron.

As the virus spread it overtook the dimwitted red states that clowns like the runt slick reside in. Then the rate of infection went ballistic.

[harrybarracuda]

It's pointless trying to blame any state for their handling of the outbreak as half the population - the dimwitted half - haven't followed any protocols anyway because they are as dumb as fucking rocks.