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    He is not worried about a number of things that endanger Thai lives. (air pollution, food safety, traffic related fatalities etc) yet he is concerned about the efficacy of the vaccine that is being widely distributed around the world with minimal side effects so far.
    I think he is trying to find an excuse for why it is taking so long in Thailand when other countries are ready to go.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    He is not worried about a number of things that endanger Thai lives. (air pollution, food safety, traffic related fatalities etc) yet he is concerned about the efficacy of the vaccine that is being widely distributed around the world with minimal side effects so far.
    I think he is trying to find an excuse for why it is taking so long in Thailand when other countries are ready to go.

    Nor should he delve into things he hasn't a clue about.
    Allow the scientists and medical/health experts to chime in, unabated, without influence from political whims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Maybe. But i just did a search and found half a dozen articles on the Welsh vaccine slow down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    He is not worried about a number of things that endanger Thai lives. (air pollution, food safety, traffic related fatalities etc) yet he is concerned about the efficacy of the vaccine that is being widely distributed around the world with minimal side effects so far.
    I think he is trying to find an excuse for why it is taking so long in Thailand when other countries are ready to go.
    I think he put his eggs in the chinky basket and is trying to find a way to sell the shitty chinky vaccine as a good one, i.e. waiting for the chinkies to invent some convincing data.

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    Covid C u n t s:

    #1: The Karen

    A maskless woman filmed as two police officers kicked her out of Sainsbury’s, claiming they had no right to do so. She had printed out a piece of paper from the government website to back up her claim that she had the right to be in the supermarket without a face covering.

    But Sainsbury’s, alongside other shops like Morrison’s and Tesco, has made its policy on masks stricter saying that shoppers would be challenged if they came in without one.

    The woman, a self-proclaimed ‘anti-masker’, claimed that she was exempt from wearing a mask and that she didn’t need proof of this. Heated footage shows her challenging the Kent Police officers over their request for her to show proof of exemption.
    Woman refusing to wear face mask kicked out of Sainsbury's by police | Metro News

    #2: The "leave it to me lads, I've done one term of company law at Uni" wanker


    Partygoers breaking lockdown rules said they "never watch the news" so were unaware of the global coronavirus pandemic, police said.

    Officers were called to an illegal party in Guernsey Close, Basingstoke, at 20:30 GMT on Saturday.

    In a tweet, Hampshire Constabulary said those present were spoken to, adding the hashtag "#ThereAreNoWords".


    Under coronavirus laws, police in England
    have the power to issue fines of £200 to first-time offenders.


    This can go up to £10,000 for holding, or being involved in holding, an unlawful gathering of more than 30 people.


    Hampshire police said an investigation was under way "with a view to reporting the individuals involved for summons following a Covid breach".
    Basingstoke partygoers said they '''never watch the news''' - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    But no... you just get emotional when you make illogical statements and get proven wrong. Because it's all about you. LOL.
    Yet again you make it about me. Let it go, snowflake. My 'outing' a rugby match result two days after the match sent you into a hussy fit -since then you've behaved like a whiny little bitch. Let it go.



    Quote Originally Posted by Plan B View Post
    If you already have the data from the large scale worldwide rollout of several brand new vaccines how about you share it?
    Believe it or not, the information about covid vaccines are out there . . . there's a miracle called 'the internet' you can use to find it.

    Now, stop being a little bitch and stop making this topic about me. Get over your 'ruined game' whines.



    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    PM Says No Vaccines Until Proven Safe – Thais Will Not Be Used As Guinea Pigs
    Here you go, another misfit - I'm sure you'll be berating MissKit, Buckaroo, Harry and fairly well everyone else here for criticising this decision - and for making it about themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Here you go, another misfit - I'm sure you'll be berating MissKit, Buckaroo, Harry and fairly well everyone else here for criticising this decision - and for making it about themselves.
    Don't look at me, I am half Pfizered and will be fully 5G chipped up by February.

    And hopefully on a plane a few weeks later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I am half Pfizered
    That simply sounds wrong . . . whereas:
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    fully 5G chipped up by February
    will have the tinfoil hat brigade salivating.


    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And hopefully on a plane a few weeks later.
    Heading to?

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    A Troubling New Pattern Among the Coronavirus Variants

    The most concerning versions of the virus are not simply mutating—they’re mutating in similar ways.




    For most of 2020, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 jumped from human to human, accumulating mutations at a steady rate of two per month—not especially impressive for a virus. These mutations have largely had little effect.But recently, three distinct versions of the virus seem to have independently converged on some of the same mutations, despite being thousands of miles apart in the United Kingdom, South Africa, and Brazil. (A mutation is a genetic change; a variant is a virus with a specific set of mutations.) The fact that these mutations have popped up not one, not two, but now three times—that we know of—in variants with unusual behavior suggests that they confer an evolutionary advantage to the virus. All three variants seem to be becoming more common. And all three are potentially more transmissible.
    “Anytime when you have mutations that come up independently of each other in multiple places, it’s really a sign,” says Vineet Menachery, a coronavirus researcher at the University of Texas Medical Branch. Now scientists are scrambling to figure out if and how these mutations might give the viruses an edge.

    It’s still early, and data on the variant in Brazil are particularly sparse. In addition to sharing certain mutations, though, these variants simply have a large number of mutations, some unique to each variant. Gaining a whole suite of mutations quickly should be a very uncommon event. But with the virus so widespread right now, very uncommon events will happen—and will happen more than once. The usual two-per-month mutation rate may undersell how the coronavirus can mutate in unusual situations. “It’s a little bit of a wake-up call,” Kristian Andersen, a microbiologist at Scripps Research, told me.


    The role of each individual mutation is still unclear, but a particular mutation in the spike protein called N501Y is noteworthy because all three variants have it. The spike protein is how the coronavirus enters cells, and N501Y is in an especially important region called the receptor-binding domain, which latches on to the cell. An N501Y mutation may make the spike protein stickier, allowing it to bind to and enter cells more readily. Such a virus could become more transmissible. On the plus side, however, the mutation doesn’t seem to affect immunity from vaccines.
    Here’s how to read the names of the mutations, by the way: Proteins are made up of building blocks called amino acids. N501Y means that the 501st amino acid was originally an N, which stands for the amino acid asparagine, but has been changed to a Y, which stands for tyrosine.

    N501Y is not unique to these three variants, though; it’s been found in a number of sequences around the world. What is unusual about these three variants is that they also have an additional constellation of other mutations in other parts of the virus. A change in a variant’s behavior, such as increased transmissibility, is probably “due to not just one mutation, but multiple mutations,” says Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Bern. The U.K. variant has more than a dozen other mutations, which have not been scrutinized as much as N501Y. But the variant’s increased transmissibility is looking more certain: It’s growing more prevalent not just in the U.K., but also in Ireland and Denmark, two other countries that regularly sequence large numbers of samples. The CDC recently warned that it’s likely to become the dominant variant in the United States by March.
    (Scientists have given all three variants more specific names, but they have not, alas, standardized them yet. The U.K. variant is also known as B.1.1.7, and 20I/501Y.V1, and VOC 202012/01. The South Africa variant is sometimes called B.1.351 or 20C/501Y.V2. The Brazil variant is known as P.1 and 20J/501Y.V3.)
    The South Africa and Brazil variants also have a second and third mutation in common in the spike’s receptor-binding domain: E484K and K417. Scientists know a little bit more about the E484K mutation. It switches a negatively charged amino acid for a positively charged one; it’s like flipping a magnet. This likely changes the spike protein’s shape as it is binding to a cell, but this change seems to work in synergy with the N501Y mutation, Andersen said. These mutations, possibly along with others, may make the virus better at binding to cells.


    But the South Africa and Brazil variants might have an additional advantage. A recent study suggests that viruses with the E484K mutation might be better at evading antibodies from the blood plasma of recovered COVID-19 patients. Some viruses with this mutation could become a little better at reinfecting people or even infecting vaccinated people.



    This one mutation alone is unlikely to render immunity from previous infections or vaccines totally ineffective, though. With current vaccines, “you have more than enough antibody, and even if you cut that amount in half, you still have more than enough antibody to control the virus,” Menachery told me. “If the new variant reduces the efficacy … by 50 percent, you still have a lot of protection there.” Studies are ongoing to figure out exactly how much this mutation affects vaccines, but it does suggest that vaccine makers might need to update their shots if more mutations like E484K accumulate over a period of years. This is already done every year with the flu shot, and the current mRNA COVID-19 vaccines can be updated especially quickly, in as little as six weeks, according to the manufacturers.
    Scientists now wonder whether the variants in South Africa and Brazil are spreading precisely because they have this slight advantage in overcoming previous immunity. Both variants were originally found in parts of the countries that have had high levels of COVID-19 infection—especially in Manaus, Brazil, where an especially large proportion of people have already had the virus. (One December study says 76 percent, which is probably an overestimate, but the region’s high COVID-19 death toll suggests that it indeed had a huge outbreak in 2020.) The South Africa variant is becoming dominant in the country; the situation in Brazil is less clear because less data exist, but Manaus is currently experiencing another big surge of COVID-19. Menachery said he doesn’t think previous immunity is necessarily a reason for these variants to become more common, especially because South Africa isn’t as close to herd immunity. Better transmissibility is already an advantage.


    But others sketched this plausible, though still hypothetical, scenario: The variants may have evolved in immunocompromised patients who were infected with the virus for months. Normally, Hodcroft says, “your immune system is going to town on it. It’s really trying to beat it up.” But immunocompromised patients mount weaker immune responses. “It becomes almost like a training course for how to live with the human immune system,” she says. That may be why these variants have so many new mutations at once, as if a year or two of evolution has been compressed into months. This is probably quite rare, but with tens of millions of infections around the globe, rare things will show up.
    A variant could emerge, then, from the training ground of a chronic infection, with mutations that make the virus better at binding to cells and thus more transmissible. This may be what happened with the U.K. variant. It could also emerge slightly more capable of reinfection. This may be what’s happening in Brazil, where there are already two documented cases of reinfection with the new variant. In a place where many people have already been infected with COVID-19, a variant that is just a little better at evading preexisting immunity will have an advantage. These reinfections might not be serious, and they still might not be the norm, but over time, that variant will win out. The coronavirus is in a constant arms race against our immune system. It will keep evolving.



    That means our vaccines may need to evolve with it. But the United States is sequencing only a tiny percentage of its COVID-19 cases. (Standard COVID-19 diagnostic tests probe a few regions of the virus genome, but they don’t sequence the whole thing.) “San Diego is one of the places in the country we’re doing well, and we’re sequencing 2 percent of cases. It’s laughable compared to the U.K. and Denmark,” Andersen said. “And we need to change that.” The sequencing data, when they are collected, are fragmented across individual labs all over the country. What the U.S. needs, Andersen said, is a federal mandate for genomic surveillance. That’s the only way for the U.S. to keep abreast of an ever-changing virus.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-world/617721/

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Believe it or not, the information about covid vaccines are out there . . . there's a miracle called 'the internet' you can use to find it.
    And here's a tip: you can use to find out what has gone wrong so far. Deaths in Norway, rollout problems in the UK, potential problems with a batch in California, the Chinese vaccine not as good as advertised. And as the sample size grows we learn more. Only an egotist or an idiot would claim there is nothing more to learn. You might want to check, you could be both.

    You might also want to listen to what Dr Bloomfield had to say. There are countries currently fighting the pandemic that need the vaccine more than we do. But hey, fuck other countries and people dying and stuff. Mr Hat wants to go on holiday. That's more important than a hundred thousand lives of lowly foreigners.
    Some people think it don't, but it be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Nor should he delve into things he hasn't a clue about.
    Allow the scientists and medical/health experts to chime in, unabated, without influence from political whims.
    There you go again, using logic to reference the national pastime; what isn't politically motivated in this blessed land?

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    From my perch on the fence, there will always be adverse effects to any drug, just like foodstuffs (nuts, dairy, etc), so it is no more than expected that some metabolisms are going to react, esp the aged and those with preexisting conditions.

    My doubts about the various vaccines are based on source (eg China), political desperation (fast track, take what's offered), economic interests (self explanatory), wishful mindset (it'll work because we want it to), and acceptance (our leaders say it's good so it must be).

    Add to that my trust of those in control as far as I could heave the lot of them, with no urgent need to travel, and in lieu of what may come tomorrow, as of now I'm happy to slide off the cautionary side of the fence and remain a toxic non-compliant citizen. Same goes for my family.

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    As of now 'we don't know', and I think nothing less or more of those that are happy to be vaccinated and elbow their way to the front of the queue.

    What bothers me is the toxic evangelists, those that have made their decision based on essentially the same data, but believe there must be something wrong with those that did not arrive at the same conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Heading to?
    What we call an "undisclosed location" on account of the subterfuge involved in obtaining a visa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    As of now 'we don't know', and I think nothing less or more of those that are happy to be vaccinated and elbow their way to the front of the queue.
    "elbowing their way to the front of the queue"?

    What queue?

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    So whoever stole Pfizer's vaccine data has modified it and released it online to try and denigrate the vaccine.

    I mean I have no fucking clue who would want to do that eh?


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    Last week, a report by the EMA disclosed that attackers had hacked into their servers and stolen data related to the BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Until recently, the hackers’ motives had been unclear. New developments from the EMA, however, reveal that: “Some of the correspondence has been manipulated by the perpetrators prior to publication in a way which could undermine trust in vaccines.”
    Fake Vaccine Data used to Spread Fear - IT Security Guru

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    "elbowing their way to the front of the queue"?

    What queue?
    yes 'arry could be wrong but i think you're bright enough to have gotten the gist, even moreso when you ignore it with objection to terminology

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    The wife heard that Gen P has been vaccinated. She said it was on the telly yesterday. Is this true, after his wait and see if the vaccine is safe bolox?

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    USA: Demand for coronavirus vaccines is outstripping supply

    Now that nearly half of the U.S. population could be eligible for coronavirus vaccines, America is facing the problem experts thought we’d have all along: demand for the vaccine is outstripping supply.


    Why it matters: The Trump administration’s call for states to open up vaccine access to all Americans 65 and older and adults with pre-existing conditions may have helped massage out some bottlenecks in the distribution process, but it’s also led to a different kind of chaos.


    The big picture: The U.S. has still only administered about 14.7 million shots, per Bloomberg, falling well short of the 20 million doses expected by the end of December. Nearly half of the distributed doses have been given.


    Vaccine providers were adhering too rigidly to prioritization guidelines, experts said, prompting the administration to issue its new guidance.
    But the process has also struggled with the complicated logistics of a massive vaccine distribution program, and making more people eligible for the shots doesn’t solve issues like a shortage of vaccinators.


    What’s happening: We’ve known all along that vaccines could only be manufactured, distributed and administered at a limited pace. We’re now seeing those limitations play out in real time.


    Americans eligible for the vaccine can’t get appointments, as all available slots fill up almost immediately after they open up.


    In some places, where vaccines are administered on a first-come-first-served basis, people have camped out in line for hours — or even overnight — trying to get a shot.


    New York’s website said last week that all vaccine appointments are booked for the next 14 weeks. Although 7 million New Yorkers are eligible, the state is only receiving 300,000 vaccine doses a week from the federal government.


    The shift in federal guidance was announced along with the Trump administration’s decision to stop withholding second vaccine doses and instead distribute all available shots to states.


    But the administration had already begun doing that, the Washington Post reported, meaning that there’s no additional reserve of vaccine doses to send out.


    The bottom line: Vaccine supply was always going to be our biggest problem over the next few months. What we underestimated was the logistical challenges that have played out over the last few weeks.

    Demand for coronavirus vaccines is outstripping supply in America - Axios

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    yes 'arry could be wrong but i think you're bright enough to have gotten the gist, even moreso when you ignore it with objection to terminology
    I'll ask again: What queue?

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    I don't understand why they dont just mobilise the national guard in every state, set up mobile medical units with only a vaccine function, and have it done as soon as supplies allowe.
    I Just came back from my Cardiologist here in Florida, I asked if he knew what the process is to authorise someone with a serious medical condition for inoculation. He said he had no idea, they have received no information or guidelines.
    Cant wait for the adults to be running the government again.
    PS: if you are over 65 in Florida, my home state. you don't need to provide proof of residency or even nationality. on TV they were interviewing people from Mexico, Argentina, and neighboring states that had traveled to Florida to get the vaccine . In the mean time there are not enough doses for Floridians.

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    Haaa, what I always said, Put the vaccine in beer and everyone would be vaccinated in one week.
    I Guess Starbucks coffee works also , but i did not get the microsoft angle, I thought win 10 already had a built in antivirus.

    " Washington state announces partnership with companies including Starbucks and Microsoft to boost vaccinations"
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'll ask again: What queue?
    Rich And Powerful Attempt To Jump Covid Vaccine Queues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I don't understand why they dont just mobilise the national guard in every state, set up mobile medical units with only a vaccine function, and have it done as soon as supplies allowe.
    I Just came back from my Cardiologist here in Florida, I asked if he knew what the process is to authorise someone with a serious medical condition for inoculation. He said he had no idea, they have received no information or guidelines.
    Cant wait for the adults to be running the government again.
    PS: if you are over 65 in Florida, my home state. you don't need to provide proof of residency or even nationality. on TV they were interviewing people from Mexico, Argentina, and neighboring states that had traveled to Florida to get the vaccine . In the mean time there are not enough doses for Floridians.
    The resources of any major gov are quite capable of handling distribution, though it seems from earlier accounts not enough are being produced to satisfy ambitious targets.

    Only a matter of time until the pharmas ramp up production, then the next problem will be gross incompetence, probably seasoned with a bit of corruption, but eventually those that want it will get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Oh no, 'arry doesn't like the concept of queues, or that people might elbow their way to the front.

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